(10-23-2021, 02:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2021, 11:25 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]That is the normal process, pay attention to it when watching films and you won't see them pointed directly at anyone other than an actor. It was during the day so you won't see fire coming out of the barrel, there would be no point to try it with any type of round. They would have to do it in post.
Union workers were supposedly not there.
Saw something that the round went through her abdomen and then hit the 2nd person.
The media is lying about it for some reason.
A prop gun doesn't fire, it isn't a real gun. So it was a real gun and capable of firing. So who loaded the gun? If you are loading blanks, I don't see how you don't notice a bullet being on the end of one of them. Also why even use blanks in the day? You are going to fix sound and effects in post, so why have the added risk and costs? Was there confusion from the non-union worker thinking they needed live rounds? Live rounds wouldn't have been on set to begin with though unless someone brought them with them. Then why was he pointing and firing a gun at a crew member?
Someone committed a crime and should be charged but good luck proving who it was.
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Everything is not a conspiracy.
It was a joke but more in the I can't believe this keeps happening to people around them
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(10-23-2021, 08:12 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I think he's talking about the armorer who didn't feel like she had adequate abilities to do the job.... that expert.
She questioned her ability on her previous movie set. So not sure if it was nervousness or hubris this time around
(10-23-2021, 02:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2021, 11:25 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]That is the normal process, pay attention to it when watching films and you won't see them pointed directly at anyone other than an actor. It was during the day so you won't see fire coming out of the barrel, there would be no point to try it with any type of round. They would have to do it in post.
Union workers were supposedly not there.
Saw something that the round went through her abdomen and then hit the 2nd person.
The media is lying about it for some reason.
A prop gun doesn't fire, it isn't a real gun. So it was a real gun and capable of firing. So who loaded the gun? If you are loading blanks, I don't see how you don't notice a bullet being on the end of one of them. Also why even use blanks in the day? You are going to fix sound and effects in post, so why have the added risk and costs? Was there confusion from the non-union worker thinking they needed live rounds? Live rounds wouldn't have been on set to begin with though unless someone brought them with them. Then why was he pointing and firing a gun at a crew member?
Someone committed a crime and should be charged but good luck proving who it was.
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Everything is not a conspiracy.
I thought you were responding to the Clintons stuff.
It's not a conspiracy that someone put a real bullet in the gun. No one did their job to then check it or they did and added the bullet. The cops could easily try to get a fingerprint off the casing. That person, the other people who are supposed to check the gun, and the producer are all responsible. They should be charged with manslaughter or whatever the state laws allow.
It was an accident that someone got shot, unless he put or knew the bullet was in there. It doesn't mean no one was responsible and with all the rules and procedure violations a lot of people are responsible criminally and/or civilly.
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I can't wrap my head around why a real gun with live rounds is used on a movie set, especially when it's handled by somebody unqualified.
From what I understand several basic rules were broken regarding firearms. A few off the top of my head.
1. Never ever pick up a firearm and hand it to somebody without checking it.
2. Never ever assume that a firearm is "cold" or unloaded when it is handed to you.
3. Any time a firearm is handed to you, always verify the state.
The armorer didn't necessarily do anything wrong other than not supervising the firearms.
Quote:Hannah Gutierrez was named in records filed on Friday in Santa Fe, New Mexico, related to the fatal shooting. According to the records, the gun that took Hutchins' life and injured director Joel Souza was one of three that Gutierrez had set on a cart outside the building where a scene from the movie was being acted.
Moments before the fatal shooting, Assistant Director Dave Halls grabbed a prop gun off the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the application.
"Cold gun," Halls yelled.
In my opinion if anyone is charged with a crime it should be both the Assistant Director and Alec Baldwin for negligence and possible involuntary manslaughter.
(10-24-2021, 03:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I can't wrap my head around why a real gun with live rounds is used on a movie set, especially when it's handled by somebody unqualified.
From what I understand several basic rules were broken regarding firearms. A few off the top of my head.
1. Never ever pick up a firearm and hand it to somebody without checking it.
2. Never ever assume that a firearm is "cold" or unloaded when it is handed to you.
3. Any time a firearm is handed to you, always verify the state.
The armorer didn't necessarily do anything wrong other than not supervising the firearms.
Quote:Hannah Gutierrez was named in records filed on Friday in Santa Fe, New Mexico, related to the fatal shooting. According to the records, the gun that took Hutchins' life and injured director Joel Souza was one of three that Gutierrez had set on a cart outside the building where a scene from the movie was being acted.
Moments before the fatal shooting, Assistant Director Dave Halls grabbed a prop gun off the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the application.
"Cold gun," Halls yelled.
In my opinion if anyone is charged with a crime it should be both the Assistant Director and Alec Baldwin for negligence and possible involuntary manslaughter.
A real gun I could see because they want realism, but as I said before, why hasn’t Hollywood invested in realistic guns that are unable to shoot actual bullets?
It also seems to me that if real guns are on a set, a strict protocol of no live ammunition, of any kind, should be allowed within a well defined exclusion zone.
(10-24-2021, 04:14 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2021, 03:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I can't wrap my head around why a real gun with live rounds is used on a movie set, especially when it's handled by somebody unqualified.
From what I understand several basic rules were broken regarding firearms. A few off the top of my head.
1. Never ever pick up a firearm and hand it to somebody without checking it.
2. Never ever assume that a firearm is "cold" or unloaded when it is handed to you.
3. Any time a firearm is handed to you, always verify the state.
The armorer didn't necessarily do anything wrong other than not supervising the firearms.
In my opinion if anyone is charged with a crime it should be both the Assistant Director and Alec Baldwin for negligence and possible involuntary manslaughter.
A real gun I could see because they want realism, but as I said before, why hasn’t Hollywood invested in realistic guns that are unable to shoot actual bullets?
It also seems to me that if real guns are on a set, a strict protocol of no live ammunition, of any kind, should be allowed within a well defined exclusion zone.
All roads seem to be leading to the armorer. Why would she bring live ammunition to a set?
Lucky she didn't work on Squid Games.
OK, I'm not sure of the source, I'm just putting this out there for you to investigate and decide for yourself.....
Alec Baldwin arrested for first-degree murder and possession of child pornography – media blackout
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021/...64VdN-JLp8
(10-24-2021, 05:55 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I'm not sure of the source, I'm just putting this out there for you to investigate and decide for yourself.....
Alec Baldwin arrested for first-degree murder and possession of child pornography – media blackout
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021/...64VdN-JLp8
That is a garbage site. They've had stories just about everyone being arrested. Either they just make up news or everyone has been arrested and they are the only ones whoever talks about it. They usually pop up when some story about a liberal doing something potentially illegal makes news.
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(10-24-2021, 06:46 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2021, 05:55 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I'm not sure of the source, I'm just putting this out there for you to investigate and decide for yourself.....
Alec Baldwin arrested for first-degree murder and possession of child pornography – media blackout
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021/...64VdN-JLp8
That is a garbage site. They've had stories just about everyone being arrested. Either they just make up news or everyone has been arrested and they are the only ones whoever talks about it. They usually pop up when some story about a liberal doing something potentially illegal makes news.
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Hmmm, I guess we finally identified your Covid news source.
Relax guys. This happened in NM where dui manslaughter gets no jail time. Also home to Epstein sex trafficking hub.
Nothing to see here. When next SNL skit?
(10-24-2021, 09:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2021, 06:46 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]That is a garbage site. They've had stories just about everyone being arrested. Either they just make up news or everyone has been arrested and they are the only ones whoever talks about it. They usually pop up when some story about a liberal doing something potentially illegal makes news.
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Hmmm, I guess we finally identified your Covid news source.
What's funny is the comments from the toothless subscribers to that website.
"well quest what , the roaster has come home to roost, quest it his time to pay the piper, next time you want to play present Trump, think about yourself now!!"
(10-24-2021, 04:46 PM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2021, 04:14 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]A real gun I could see because they want realism, but as I said before, why hasn’t Hollywood invested in realistic guns that are unable to shoot actual bullets?
It also seems to me that if real guns are on a set, a strict protocol of no live ammunition, of any kind, should be allowed within a well defined exclusion zone.
All roads seem to be leading to the armorer. Why would she bring live ammunition to a set?
Lucky she didn't work on Squid Games.
Live ammo on a movie set sounds completely unnecessary. If actually required, it's incredibly irresponsible to NOT have it under lock and key. Does a little recreational shooting occur occasionally on remote movie filming locations? These people are accustomed to getting anything they want....
Baldwin should be charged with murder because he has a bad temper. also, he yelled at his daughter over the phone. Kill 'im.
(10-25-2021, 07:59 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2021, 04:46 PM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]All roads seem to be leading to the armorer. Why would she bring live ammunition to a set?
Lucky she didn't work on Squid Games.
Live ammo on a movie set sounds completely unnecessary. If actually required, it's incredibly irresponsible to NOT have it under lock and key. Does a little recreational shooting occur occasionally on remote movie filming locations? These people are accustomed to getting anything they want....
Live ammo is not allowed on set but the union members were also not there. Sounds like none of the rules where being followed. For insurance purposes, it is costly to even have blanks on set. This doesn't sound like a high budget movie, so not sure they would pay the extra for blanks so not sure why they were so careless with the bullets.
At best someone was shooting and left a bullet in the revolver and then a bunch of people never checked the gun.
As I said before, normal safety practices were not followed. These are safety practices that were taught to me in the 5th grade.
1. The armorer should keep close track of firearms and ammunition. Live ammunition should not have been used and if it was used it should have been closely supervised and tracked. You don't "just place a loaded firearm on a cart" accessible to just anyone. She was negligent.
2. The "assistant director" that picked up the gun and handed it to Baldwin was negligent in assuming and telling him that the weapon was "cold" without checking it first. You never hand a firearm to someone without checking and verifying it's status first.
3. Baldwin was negligent in assuming the firearm was unloaded as well as pulling the trigger while he was "rehearsing". Never ever place your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire.
While this whole episode was an unfortunate tragedy, I think that all three of them should be brought up on some kind of charge(s). Negligence, involuntary manslaughter or whatever it looks to me like the people involved in the chain-of-custody and handling of the firearm are responsible for this accident.
I am certainly no big fan of Baldwin. He is a very good actor, I just don't care for his politics. With that being said, I can't imagine the guilt and remorse that the guy has to live with.
The more I think about it, the more I am expecting him to claim to be a victim. I hope I'm wrong.
(10-25-2021, 03:55 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The more I think about it, the more I am expecting him to claim to be a victim. I hope I'm wrong.
From a PR standpoint he can but he can't be a victim because he didn't check the gun and he pointed it her and pulled the trigger. Unless there was a misfire, which I haven't seen claimed, he had to point the gun at her.
From a civil standpoint, he is the producer and is responsible for the set, so he has to pay for that.
(10-25-2021, 03:55 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The more I think about it, the more I am expecting him to claim to be a victim. I hope I'm wrong.
Of course he is the victim. You can not ignore the mental trauma associated with this type of accident. As it has been said, if he has been given a gun and been told it is a cold gun. He has an armorer on set to take responsibility for the guns.
I'm waiting for the blame to be laid at the feet of Republicans, somehow.
'This senseless death was caused by Republicans who railed against unions and workplace safety, blah, blah, blah...'
Give them time.
(10-25-2021, 04:55 PM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2021, 03:55 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The more I think about it, the more I am expecting him to claim to be a victim. I hope I'm wrong.
Of course he is the victim. You can not ignore the mental trauma associated with this type of accident. As it has been said, if he has been given a gun and been told it is a cold gun. He has an armorer on set to take responsibility for the guns.
No he is not a victim. His negligence was part of the reason for this tragedy. The armorer has some liability, be she is not the sole blame or cause of this tragedy. I outlined above the failures in the chain-of-custody of the firearm. All three persons involved are to blame up to and including Alec Baldwin.