(10-31-2021, 07:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:31 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]LMAO...this is you... it's Urban fault... everything is urban's fault... really!! talk about nothing... no ideas no facts... no common sense...did Urban kick your dog and sleep with your old lady... dude you're like a child who has this obsession over urban... incapable of seeing past your urban hatred... dude this team's no good It wasn't any good last season One draft class isn't going to change anything... those are facts.... here's YOUR comebacks... Urban sucks... here's YOUR facts.. Urban sucks .. here's YOUR ideas...fire urban....lmao I'm dealing with a child who has no knowledge of football
Yeah, sure.
lmao...and you have nothing
(10-31-2021, 07:34 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:04 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]OMG, Trevor Lawrence is a ROOKIE on a team devoid of talent and people are going to go after him? [BLEEP] stupidity.
well is that any different from people going after urban for his first start in the NFL... I think it's all ridiculous
Yes, Trevor has performed extremely well individually for a rookie QB (not today of course).
Urban has performed extremely poorly in his individual duties and in his leadership broadly. If he had his team well prepared today and they were outmatched, I would not be killing him.
(10-31-2021, 07:34 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:04 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]OMG, Trevor Lawrence is a ROOKIE on a team devoid of talent and people are going to go after him? [BLEEP] stupidity.
well is that any different from people going after urban for his first start in the NFL... I think it's all ridiculous
Yes.
It is completely different in every way.
And your inability to understand the very obvious differences is not a good look for you.
(10-31-2021, 06:23 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars have allowed 20+ points in 25 straight games (3rd-longest streak in NFL since 1940).
That streak goes back to the year before last. Tell me again which coach could come into this club, with this talent and break that streak?
To be clear, this isn't a defense of UM. Instead it is the simple challenge for you to prove your genius. Who should be here that would have this working? And toss in the switch to a 3-4. Who could make that happen (a change that was universally praised on these boards) with this talent and be successful? Give us the name.
Any average GM and coach combo would have had this team in FAR better shape. This team is 1-6 with 5 of those losses being by double digits and our lone win being a squeaker against a team that currently has a 7 game losing streak.
Yes, the Jaguars were 1-15 last year, but they lost 4 games by a field goal or less and another by 4 points and this includes a game lost in overtime. Last year's opening day roster had 16 rookies on it. You could have brought back the exact same roster and they likely would have won another game or two just based upon experience. Their #1 issue last year was quarterback. Our quarterback last year could not only not find a starting job this year, but only commanded a 6th rounder to be another team's backup. Despite being a rookie, Lawrence alone should have meant at least another couple of wins on top of that. They then had a ridiculous amount of money under the salary cap. They had more money available to spend on free agents than any other team in the entire NFL. They then had first pick in each round of the draft and extra picks in the 1st, 2nd and 4th rounds. They even had first option on any player made available on the waiver wire. I think even an average GM/HC combination would have had this team in the 6 to 8 wins range this year. Meyer's/Baalke's performance is completely unacceptable.
(10-31-2021, 06:50 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 06:22 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You're the guy who said TLaw throwing the ball 51 times week 1 was a great idea, so if anyone is the football moron it would be you. Frankly much of what's hurting us right now is too late to fix because Urbz [BLEEP] up the offseason by poor FA acquisitions and a poor draft. Even so, the rookies should be on the field. It's obvious there's nothing left for this season, maybe we can have something together with a new front office to put in place for after this year.
1. No idea offered, noted.
2. Yes, TLaw needs to throw the ball. Did you notice how much he sucks today? Only one way for him to get better, if he can get better, and that's practice. We have another year to wait to find out if he will.
3. You notice this piece-o-crap team today? What FA worth his salt is going to come to this s***-storm? None. Zero. All we'll be able to do is sign up mid-range talent on big contracts right now. You want that? You want good FA's to join us this offseason? Then you better hope that TLaw starts showing some improvement and a chance at going superstar or else the best we'll get are has-beens looking for a retirement payday or never-gonna-be's that get lucky on seeing a desperate team.
Everything rides on TLaw's shoulders in terms of this team picking up talent and improving. So he better start showing some calm and some personal improvement. If he's reading defenses and making throws but crap WR's can catch anything then a big name WR will join this team to get those nice passes. But if TL looks like garbage, panicking under pressure and unable read defenses then the best talent won't come. It's as simple as that.
The same is true on defense. If you want defensive anchors to come in who can provide onfield direction and leadership then they won't be going anywhere near a team that can't compete offensively.
There is simply two ways to watch the Jags at the moment. All eyes on The Franchise. That's obvious. And eyes on any individual players that you want to make it in the bigs, either here or somewhere else. That's it. This dumpster fire offers nothing else.
(This post sounds suspiciously not like a defense of UM. Funny that.)
I know this is a big line of Meyer apologists, but it is just completely false. Some older players may take less to play for a winner, but young players overwelmingly follow the money. It's their opportunity for a lifetime of financial security. Their agents, who get a cut, will also do everything possible to encourage the player to take the biggest paycheck. Urban Meyer in his post free agent press conference said that he had no problems with players wanting to come to Jacksonville. If they went after a player and didn't get him, it was because they were outbid.
(10-31-2021, 06:30 PM)LMD Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 06:23 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars have allowed 20+ points in 25 straight games (3rd-longest streak in NFL since 1940).
That streak goes back to the year before last. Tell me again which coach could come into this club, with this talent and break that streak?
Last year was the beginning of a second complete rebuild under Caldwell. That's why most people became very vocal about firing Caldwell and Marrone after the draft when all the talented vets were offloaded and the team tried to re-do the exact same rebuild that net one not-awful season.
Urban and Baalke came into this off-season with the most cap room in the league, the best draft position of any team, and serious draft capital.
Last year's debacle-of-a-season happened specifically so that this year's debacle wouldn't happen.
Complaining about this team's lack of talent when the coach was brought in to have complete control (hence why his buddy was promoted to figurehead GM) and asking "who could succeed with this talent?" while ignoring that around 50% of the complaints about Urban is the awful roster construction isn't just moving the goal-posts, it's just straight-up removing them from the plane.
Thank you! I hate it when people say that we won only 1 game last year so it's not Meyer's fault if we only win 1 or 2 games this year. That's absurd. I don't get why so many people are confused about last year. I thought their strategy was obvious. We were in all out rebuild mode. We were doing everything in 2020 to position the team for huge improvement in 2021. Our opening day roster last year included 16 rookies. We were trading away veterans for draft picks. We were cutting high priced players in order to free up salary cap room in 2022. This team was positioned to make major improvement this year. Not taking advantage of what was given to them is a major failure of Meyer/Baalke.
(10-31-2021, 07:58 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:34 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]well is that any different from people going after urban for his first start in the NFL... I think it's all ridiculous
Yes, Trevor has performed extremely well individually for a rookie QB (not today of course).
Urban has performed extremely poorly in his individual duties and in his leadership broadly. If he had his team well prepared today and they were outmatched, I would not be killing him.
once again it's all Urban's fault lmao.... besides a few changes this is the same team as last year... was it also Urban's fault last year? or how about the other coaches... Urban's fault too.... receivers can't catch... offensive coordinator fault? or just Urban's fault.... do you guy's even know how a franchise works? we have a crappy team not enough talent.... nothing one draft was going to change... get over your Urban hate... he's not going anywhere... quit your crying it's not a good look
(10-31-2021, 06:55 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know why Little, Cisco and Tufele haven’t been used at all this season? All 3 play positions where we have struggled
The obvious answer is that they must suck in practice. It's that or the coaching staff is incompetent to keep better players on the bench. Either way, it reflects very poorly on Meyer.
(10-31-2021, 08:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:34 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]well is that any different from people going after urban for his first start in the NFL... I think it's all ridiculous
Yes.
It is completely different in every way.
And your inability to understand the very obvious differences is not a good look for you.
urban lives rent-free in your head lol...your inability to understand how a franchise works is not a good look
(10-31-2021, 09:36 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:58 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, Trevor has performed extremely well individually for a rookie QB (not today of course).
Urban has performed extremely poorly in his individual duties and in his leadership broadly. If he had his team well prepared today and they were outmatched, I would not be killing him.
once again it's all Urban's fault lmao.... besides a few changes this is the same team as last year... was it also Urban's fault last year? or how about the other coaches... Urban's fault too.... receivers can't catch... offensive coordinator fault? or just Urban's fault.... do you guy's even know how a franchise works? we have a crappy team not enough talent.... nothing one draft was going to change... get over your Urban hate... he's not going anywhere... quit your crying it's not a good look
Urban was placed in charge of player acquisition. So yes, roster construction is his responsibility.
Urban selected his coaching staff. So their failures reflect on him.
I get it. He is not responsible for every drop and every instance of poor execution. He may not even hold primary responsibility for every individual problem. If there was one or two issues with the game today, I wouldn’t be all over him. Man… [BLEEP] are hitting fans non stop with this team. There were back to back 12 men on the field penalties (one avoided by time out). Weren’t there 2 or 3 delay of game penalties.
He is supposed to be the leader of this team. He owns the performance of this team and supposedly contributed to every aspect of building it up for the season. His team executes simple things poorly. The results are very much on him.
(10-31-2021, 11:21 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 09:36 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]once again it's all Urban's fault lmao.... besides a few changes this is the same team as last year... was it also Urban's fault last year? or how about the other coaches... Urban's fault too.... receivers can't catch... offensive coordinator fault? or just Urban's fault.... do you guy's even know how a franchise works? we have a crappy team not enough talent.... nothing one draft was going to change... get over your Urban hate... he's not going anywhere... quit your crying it's not a good look
Urban was placed in charge of player acquisition. So yes, roster construction is his responsibility.
Urban selected his coaching staff. So their failures reflect on him.
I get it. He is not responsible for every drop and every instance of poor execution. He may not even hold primary responsibility for every individual problem. If there was one or two issues with the game today, I wouldn’t be all over him. Man… [BLEEP] are hitting fans non stop with this team. There were back to back 12 men on the field penalties (one avoided by time out). Weren’t there 2 or 3 delay of game penalties.
He is supposed to be the leader of this team. He owns the performance of this team and supposedly contributed to every aspect of building it up for the season. His team executes simple things poorly. The results are very much on him.
so a coach who inherited a 1-15 team automatically is blamed for all the failures....lmao ok... the ignorance is comical at this point.... dude I didn't care who the coaching staff is... it is unrealistic to think they could turn a 1-15 team into a winning team in one draft and 7 games...
(10-31-2021, 07:50 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
Yeah, sure.
lmao...and you have nothing
I didn't realize you had such a reading comprehension problem. I'm sorry, I'll try to type slower when writing literally dozens of posts about what's wrong that you can't understand. Maybe we can sign you up to get some help from a telethon or something? Maybe a public assistance program of some kind?
(10-31-2021, 11:55 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 11:21 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Urban was placed in charge of player acquisition. So yes, roster construction is his responsibility.
Urban selected his coaching staff. So their failures reflect on him.
I get it. He is not responsible for every drop and every instance of poor execution. He may not even hold primary responsibility for every individual problem. If there was one or two issues with the game today, I wouldn’t be all over him. Man… [BLEEP] are hitting fans non stop with this team. There were back to back 12 men on the field penalties (one avoided by time out). Weren’t there 2 or 3 delay of game penalties.
He is supposed to be the leader of this team. He owns the performance of this team and supposedly contributed to every aspect of building it up for the season. His team executes simple things poorly. The results are very much on him.
so a coach who inherited a 1-15 team automatically is blamed for all the failures....lmao ok... the ignorance is comical at this point.... dude I didn't care who the coaching staff is... it is unrealistic to think they could turn a 1-15 team into a winning team in one draft and 7 games...
No one expects them to be the Patriots, we just simply want them to not be an embarrassment. I know you are willing to accept abject failure from your team, but the rest of us expect a bit more.
(10-31-2021, 11:55 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 11:21 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Urban was placed in charge of player acquisition. So yes, roster construction is his responsibility.
Urban selected his coaching staff. So their failures reflect on him.
I get it. He is not responsible for every drop and every instance of poor execution. He may not even hold primary responsibility for every individual problem. If there was one or two issues with the game today, I wouldn’t be all over him. Man… [BLEEP] are hitting fans non stop with this team. There were back to back 12 men on the field penalties (one avoided by time out). Weren’t there 2 or 3 delay of game penalties.
He is supposed to be the leader of this team. He owns the performance of this team and supposedly contributed to every aspect of building it up for the season. His team executes simple things poorly. The results are very much on him.
so a coach who inherited a 1-15 team automatically is blamed for all the failures....lmao ok... the ignorance is comical at this point.... dude I didn't care who the coaching staff is... it is unrealistic to think they could turn a 1-15 team into a winning team in one draft and 7 games...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
This team went from 3-13 to 10-6 in back to back seasons just a few years ago. (2017)
Niners went from 4-12 to 13-3 in 2019.
2013 chiefs and 2016 cowboys are similar stories. This stuff happens plenty, and no one is even looking for that kind of wild improvement.
If Meyer/Baalke were able to just improve a little bit we wouldn't be seeing fans reacting this way, but they somehow were given all of this ammunition to improve the roster and performance and managed to make the team LESS COMPETITIVE than it was before they took over.
(10-31-2021, 11:55 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 11:21 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Urban was placed in charge of player acquisition. So yes, roster construction is his responsibility.
Urban selected his coaching staff. So their failures reflect on him.
I get it. He is not responsible for every drop and every instance of poor execution. He may not even hold primary responsibility for every individual problem. If there was one or two issues with the game today, I wouldn’t be all over him. Man… [BLEEP] are hitting fans non stop with this team. There were back to back 12 men on the field penalties (one avoided by time out). Weren’t there 2 or 3 delay of game penalties.
He is supposed to be the leader of this team. He owns the performance of this team and supposedly contributed to every aspect of building it up for the season. His team executes simple things poorly. The results are very much on him.
so a coach who inherited a 1-15 team automatically is blamed for all the failures....lmao ok... the ignorance is comical at this point.... dude I didn't care who the coaching staff is... it is unrealistic to think they could turn a 1-15 team into a winning team in one draft and 7 games...
It would be nice if the team actually looked a bit prepared and could actually compete. The team looked about as prepared as a busted lawn chair, and I'm afraid to say, that's Urban's responsibility. Otherwise, why even bother having a head coach...
(10-31-2021, 07:03 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Thank god that disaster is over
I'm afraid the next one will be bigger....the bills are next weekend.
(11-01-2021, 08:32 AM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 07:03 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Thank god that disaster is over
I'm afraid the next one will be bigger....the bills are next weekend.
The Jags could realistically lose this next three game stretch by 120 points.
(10-31-2021, 11:55 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2021, 11:21 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Urban was placed in charge of player acquisition. So yes, roster construction is his responsibility.
Urban selected his coaching staff. So their failures reflect on him.
I get it. He is not responsible for every drop and every instance of poor execution. He may not even hold primary responsibility for every individual problem. If there was one or two issues with the game today, I wouldn’t be all over him. Man… [BLEEP] are hitting fans non stop with this team. There were back to back 12 men on the field penalties (one avoided by time out). Weren’t there 2 or 3 delay of game penalties.
He is supposed to be the leader of this team. He owns the performance of this team and supposedly contributed to every aspect of building it up for the season. His team executes simple things poorly. The results are very much on him.
so a coach who inherited a 1-15 team automatically is blamed for all the failures....lmao ok... the ignorance is comical at this point.... dude I didn't care who the coaching staff is... it is unrealistic to think they could turn a 1-15 team into a winning team in one draft and 7 games...
I definitely didn’t expect a winner. I hoped for middle of the road performance considering the resources we had available. Do you think 6-11 was reasonable? At this point we would need to go 5-5 to get to that. Is 4 -13 reasonable? We would need to go 3-7. Considering we are sitting at 1-6 following the easy part of the schedule, that seems unlikely.
What were your expectations in January? If you were happy with a 3 or 4 win team, they are pacing your expectations and your position makes sense. I just don’t get why people are ok with Meyer at this point.
I get pushing for patience. Saying you wouldn’t fire him at this point is fine. I just don’t understand how anyone thinks this performance is acceptable and that no coach/ gm could have done better. At this point he is doing an objectively bad job.
I predicted this would be an optimistic .250 season. Was there any doubt in anyone’s mind this would be a typical Jaguars season?
(11-01-2021, 10:56 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I predicted this would be an optimistic .250 season. Was there any doubt in anyone’s mind this would be a typical Jaguars season?
So 3 or 4 wins. I know you are an optimist so I will pencil you in for 4. It is definitely possible to hit that.
I was hoping for 7 or 8 personally before free agency and the draft. Once the roster was set, I knew we wouldn’t get there but 5 wins with a handful of heartbreakers would have been fine. Getting steamrolled by 2 bad teams in the first 7 games was not expected. I will say that.