Think back on Bortles' draft class: Of the first 4 QBs selected, Derek Carr has clearly been the standout, but Bortles has been the 2nd best of the 4 (beating out Bridgewater and obviously Manziel). All of these players were highly rated and had hype in college before the draft process even began, which shows was a crapshoot drafting a quarterback is. This year feels a lot like last year, where there aren't any QBs that are getting people excited. Last year Jared Goff got picked first just because there was no one better (incredible timing on his part). Its too early to say for sure, but I don't think Goff's going to turn out. Just because he was the highest rated prospect in a given year doesn't mean he's franchise material.
I get really nervous about these QBs that come out and no one's heard of them until the end of NFL season, and suddenly they get over hyped because there's always going to be teams that need a quarterback. I see Trubisky and Watson, and I just don't see them being successful. You draft them and you're basically hoping that a lower rated prospect will out perform expectations.
Was Bortles good enough last year? No. But I don't think any of these guys are worth the gamble.
We shouldn't draft a QB because we always darft one in a bad QB draft only to pass on someone the next year who ends up being good.
I'd try to draft a QB every other year if I were GM. Not necessarily in the first 3 rounds that frequently, but somewhere in the draft I'd get a new guy on the roster to evaluate for a couple of years and then make a decision about him.
I am in the opposite camp. I think you should draft a QB damn near every year at some point in the draft. That doesn't mean you take the most elite QB in RD1 if you're already set with an elite QB or overdraft a guy. But from this draft class they should look at Nathan Peterman from Pittsburgh, Davis Webb from California and my personal favorite Jerod Evans from Virginia Tech.
Should be able to draft one of them between RD3 - RD5. Henne isn't a real threat or contender to Bortles' job at all. He never was. Allen was a late investment last year as well but we can and should always consider adding more quality competition to the most important position in football.
Quote:I am in the opposite camp. I think you should draft a QB damn near every year at some point in the draft. That doesn't mean you take the most elite QB in RD1 if you're already set with an elite QB or overdraft a guy. But from this draft class they should look at Nathan Peterman from Pittsburgh, Davis Webb from California and my personal favorite Jerod Evans from Virginia Tech.
Should be able to draft one of them between RD3 - RD5. Henne isn't a real threat or contender to Bortles' job at all. He never was. Allen was a late investment last year as well but we can and should always consider adding more quality competition to the most important position in football.
Add Alek Torgersen from Penn as a guy I like in the 6th or later.
I disagree. Keep drafting Qb's until you find one. It's a QB driven league. If Bortles struggles we need a backup plan.
Quote:I am in the opposite camp. I think you should draft a QB damn near every year at some point in the draft. That doesn't mean you take the most elite QB in RD1 if you're already set with an elite QB or overdraft a guy. But from this draft class they should look at Nathan Peterman from Pittsburgh, Davis Webb from California and my personal favorite Jerod Evans from Virginia Tech.
Should be able to draft one of them between RD3 - RD5. Henne isn't a real threat or contender to Bortles' job at all. He never was. Allen was a late investment last year as well but we can and should always consider adding more quality competition to the most important position in football.
But why? How many are you going to keep on your roster?
Why we should draft a qb...
Chad Henne
I'm hoping Nate Peterman is sitting there at #68 for the Jaguars, and I'd go into the season...
1. Bortles
2. B. Allen
3. Peterman
Quote:Think back on Bortles' draft class: Of the first 4 QBs selected, Derek Carr has clearly been the standout, but Bortles has been the 2nd best of the 4 (beating out Bridgewater and obviously Manziel). All of these players were highly rated and had hype in college before the draft process even began, which shows was a crapshoot drafting a quarterback is. This year feels a lot like last year, where there aren't any QBs that are getting people excited. Last year Jared Goff got picked first just because there was no one better (incredible timing on his part). Its too early to say for sure, but I don't think Goff's going to turn out. Just because he was the highest rated prospect in a given year doesn't mean he's franchise material.
I get really nervous about these QBs that come out and no one's heard of them until the end of NFL season, and suddenly they get over hyped because there's always going to be teams that need a quarterback. I see Trubisky and Watson, and I just don't see them being successful. You draft them and you're basically hoping that a lower rated prospect will out perform expectations.
Was Bortles good enough last year? No. But I don't think any of these guys are worth the gamble.
Your opinion of Bortles draft class is way off and thus skews your opinion here. The 2014 class was never considered heavy at the top. It was a class with talent, but big question marks.
Manziel was never going to make it as a pro. Anyone that knows scouting and has a feel for player development knew Manziel would flop hard as a starting QB at this level.
Bortles was a decent prospect with major flaws - Bridgewater was a completed project with very average traits - Carr's biggest flaw was that he was related to David Carr - Garropolo , Savage and Thomas were all raw prospects with intriguing upside. going into the draft, they had very fair assesments.
It's so easy to say a prospect will fail. We can all look at YouTube video and pic out flaws on all of these guys. I have no problem taking D. Watson for what he could be. I know he's inaccurate, but he sees the field, has the body type and arm of the prototype for the modern QB.
I don't think it would be any error to go for the Nathan Petermans, Seth Russells or Alek torgerson's of the world, I even like Davis Webb, he's light-years better than Jared Goff .. The point is that all of those guys could bomb, yet you need to draft with some guts too and QB's are the gutsiest picks to make
I think it would be a mistake to come into Rookie OTA's without a rookie arm from this draft
We shouldn't draft a quarterback early because Blake is going to bounce back. If we draft one in the 5th or later for back-up competition, I'm fine with that. Honestly I could be wrong, but I think all the talk of us drafting a quarterback early is complete [BLEEP]. The organization has had nothing but supportive things to say about Blake, and the brain trust has said multiple times that Blake will be our starting quarterback. I also think that this off season has made it pretty clear that the organization blamed Gus for the majority of our problems, and I'm sure that includes the quarterback troubles last year. We literally retained most of the same staff, which screams at you that they think Gus was 95% of the problem.
Quote:We shouldn't draft a quarterback early because Blake is going to bounce back. If we draft one in the 5th or later for back-up competition, I'm fine with that. Honestly I could be wrong, but I think all the talk of us drafting a quarterback early is complete [BAD WORD REMOVED]. The organization has had nothing but supportive things to say about Blake, and the brain trust has said multiple times that Blake will be our starting quarterback. I also think that this off season has made it pretty clear that the organization blamed Gus for the majority of our problems, and I'm sure that includes the quarterback troubles last year. We literally retained most of the same staff, which screams at you that they think Gus was 95% of the problem.
Satire?
If Bortles bounces back, it's still not good enough. 2015 was still a bad season riddled with mistakes, poor throws and continued errors for Bortles. All the more reason to keep looking for Bortles no matter what he does.
So if he bounces back and has a good year, that's still not good enough? What else is he supposed to do ?
Quote:So if he bounces back and has a good year, that's still not good enough? What else is he supposed to do ?
He can't bounce back because he's never had a good year - just a year with with flashes of potential sandwiched between two putrid years of cellar play
If Bortles shows he's a franchise player this season, then awesome - you have a trade-able QB that was once a big name prospect and would represent future value
Nobody wants anyone to fail, but if you realistically and objectively evaluate the situation you can't just expect a QB with three seasons worth of mistake ridden play to make a huge leap to being a pro-bowler
Quote:He can't bounce back because he's never had a good year - just a year with with flashes of potential sandwiched between two putrid years of cellar play
If Bortles shows he's a franchise player this season, then awesome - you have a trade-able QB that was once a big name prospect and would represent future value
Nobody wants anyone to fail, but if you realistically and objectively evaluate the situation you can't just expect a QB with three seasons worth of mistake ridden play to make a huge leap to being a pro-bowler
Say hello to Drew Brees and Kirk Cousins because they did the same thing
Quote:Say hello to Drew Brees and Kirk Cousins because they did the same thing
Amongst others.
Also, this myth of the developmental QB is puzzling to me.
Who qualifies as a successful dev QB in today's NFL? Cousins, kinda? Brady, sorta? That's about it, with any success.
I guess when Tyrod Taylor is the most genuine example, that says a lot.
I can tell you this, there are a lot more examples of 1st round QB's who looked awful for a few years then came into their own. Eli Manning. Alex Smith. Maybe add Stafford and Tannehill as 1st round guys who took awhile (before they even had years that they could point to "garbage time" stats, by the way.)
Quote:But why? How many are you going to keep on your roster?
Why? Because it's the most important position in football. It's as simple as that. And until you find the perfect QB for your franchise, you should always be looking and searching for one. That's probably why this team has only won 43 games since 2008 and why they've just set a record in selecting in the top five overall in the NFL draft for the fifth or sixth straight year in a row.
And as far as how many do we keep on the roster? Obviously a minimum of two. Maybe three depending on the situation and circumstances. You can always groom one up in the stable and look to ship him off down the road if one of your other two quarterbacks makes it work out sooner rather than later.
Right now this team has a gigantic question mark at the QB position. It's been that way for the last ten years. Meanwhile, during this span we've seen other teams hit at the position and move on without any hiccups. Or at least catapult themselves into the middle of the pack when it comes to the competition instead of scrapping by at the bottom of the barrel in a generally weak division.
As I stated originally. I am not saying we take one literally every year. But I do think it would be wise to take one every other year because you never know what's going to happen between injuries, player development, contract negotiations, etc. Look at the Redskins and Cousins situation. Look at San Francisco and Cleveland. Look at our team. Look at the tinhorns in houston. It's an important and critical position to have either secured or constantly competitive.
This team's success has dwindled because poor management in the front office and poor leadership in the coaching field have allowed competition to grow stale and stagnant at, once again, the most critical position in all of football.
Ok, lets say we draft a QB in the middle rounds.
When does he see the field?
He's not going to start the season and the best he could hope for is to be given the chance once the our realistic chance of making the playoffs has gone. At that point, why bother? You might as well give last year's sixth round pick a go and then pick from what is expected to be a good crop of QBs in the 2018 draft.
And for those who say it's a good strategy to pick a QB every year, which teams has this actually helped? I guess you could say it worked out for Washington to select two QBs when they went for RG3 and Cousins, but there are plenty of other late-round QBs who just end up being wasted draft picks. Just ask the Jets.