Apparently, Carolina fans are debating which trade was worse, giving up a 2nd for Sam Darnold or a 3rd for CJ Henderson.
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173...henderson/
This is a good take:
Both were awful. Henderson just isn’t cut out for the nfl. That trade hurts badly not only because we lost a 3rd rounder, but also the only TE on our roster worth a darn.
Sam's deal set us back a few years. We passed on two QBs that are better than Sam and lost multiple picks.
Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
It's too early to tell, but I know a couple of things for sure. #85 is good. Also, the jags have a lot of picks stacked up
(11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
Kingsbury was supposed to suck too. Frankly, he didn't even come off as a particularly strong college coach, but Arizona let him pick his own shiny, new quarterback, and he's not looking too bad as a result.
I wonder how much Rhule had to say about trading for Darnold... If that was his choice, then he's made his own bed. If not, then I feel for him just a tiny little bit - dudes at that level get paid too well for me to really feel sorry for them.
(11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
well this certainly is a take.
I would easily take Rhule and Brady over Urbz and Bevell.
(11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
Can you explain why Rhule is a bad coach? Dude has 4 wins with Sam Darnold in the NFC South which is a really tough division.
(11-09-2021, 09:36 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
Can you explain why Rhule is a bad coach? Dude has 4 wins with Sam Darnold in the NFC South which is a really tough division.
@he never coached in g'ville@
(11-09-2021, 09:36 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
Can you explain why Rhule is a bad coach? Dude has 4 wins with Sam Darnold in the NFC South which is a really tough division.
What has he done in his coaching career to even think he would be a good NFL coach? He was the Giants offensive line coach 1 year, the head coach for Temple, and the head coach for Baylor lol. Not the coaching resume that I would look for in my NFL head coach lol. What part of his resume made you think he would be a good head coach at the next level?
(11-08-2021, 05:52 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
Kingsbury was supposed to suck too. Frankly, he didn't even come off as a particularly strong college coach, but Arizona let him pick his own shiny, new quarterback, and he's not looking too bad as a result.
I wonder how much Rhule had to say about trading for Darnold... If that was his choice, then he's made his own bed. If not, then I feel for him just a tiny little bit - dudes at that level get paid too well for me to really feel sorry for them.
Oklahoma vs Baylor. A big difference there, but yes that was a risk
(11-09-2021, 09:04 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
well this certainly is a take.
I would easily take Rhule and Brady over Urbz and Bevell.
I'd rather Urban and Brady. So you thank Rhule is a good coach?
(11-09-2021, 11:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 09:36 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Can you explain why Rhule is a bad coach? Dude has 4 wins with Sam Darnold in the NFC South which is a really tough division.
What has he done in his coaching career to even think he would be a good NFL coach? He was the Giants offensive line coach 1 year, the head coach for Temple, and the head coach for Baylor lol. Not the coaching resume that I would look for in my NFL head coach lol. What part of his resume made you think he would be a good head coach at the next level?
(11-08-2021, 05:52 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Kingsbury was supposed to suck too. Frankly, he didn't even come off as a particularly strong college coach, but Arizona let him pick his own shiny, new quarterback, and he's not looking too bad as a result.
I wonder how much Rhule had to say about trading for Darnold... If that was his choice, then he's made his own bed. If not, then I feel for him just a tiny little bit - dudes at that level get paid too well for me to really feel sorry for them.
Oklahoma vs Baylor. A big difference there, but yes that was a risk
(11-09-2021, 09:04 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]well this certainly is a take.
I would easily take Rhule and Brady over Urbz and Bevell.
I'd rather Urban and Brady. So you thank Rhule is a good coach?
I see your knowledge is as deep as your understanding since Kingsbury coached at Texas Tech, a school that's basically Baylor-esque. And with the Panthers at 4-5 Rhule is at least twice the NFL Head Coach that Urbz is.
(11-09-2021, 12:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 11:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What has he done in his coaching career to even think he would be a good NFL coach? He was the Giants offensive line coach 1 year, the head coach for Temple, and the head coach for Baylor lol. Not the coaching resume that I would look for in my NFL head coach lol. What part of his resume made you think he would be a good head coach at the next level?
Oklahoma vs Baylor. A big difference there, but yes that was a risk
I'd rather Urban and Brady. So you thank Rhule is a good coach?
I see your knowledge is as deep as your understanding since Kingsbury coached at Texas Tech, a school that's basically Baylor-esque. And with the Panthers at 4-5 Rhule is at least twice the NFL Head Coach that Urbz is.
Knowledge? It's called short term memory loss lol. Texas Tech, that's right. That was a very questionable hire as well. There is much more talent on that Car. team. They should have a better record than 4-5. That Arizona team is loaded with talent as well but it's likely they will choke in the playoffs. Rhule twice the coach that Urbz is since he has 4 wins? Lol, this is also his 2nd year coaching. What has Rhule done in his coaching career that would make you think he is a good NFL coach? Take Baylor to a winning record? Funny that most of the Car. fans realize that Rhule was a bad hire but a few on here thanks that hiring a head coach from Baylor and Temple with no NFL coaching experience outside from the 1 year with the Giants is a good hire.
You would not think the Carolina fans would want their good coach to get away lol. Urban want the guy I wanted but give me him over Rhule any day.
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173.../#comments
(11-09-2021, 01:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 12:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I see your knowledge is as deep as your understanding since Kingsbury coached at Texas Tech, a school that's basically Baylor-esque. And with the Panthers at 4-5 Rhule is at least twice the NFL Head Coach that Urbz is.
Knowledge? It's called short term memory loss lol. Texas Tech, that's right. That was a very questionable hire as well. There is much more talent on that Car. team. They should have a better record than 4-5. That Arizona team is loaded with talent as well but it's likely they will choke in the playoffs. Rhule twice the coach that Urbz is since he has 4 wins? Lol, this is also his 2nd year coaching. What has Rhule done in his coaching career that would make you think he is a good NFL coach? Take Baylor to a winning record? Funny that most of the Car. fans realize that Rhule was a bad hire but a few on here thanks that hiring a head coach from Baylor and Temple with no NFL coaching experience outside from the 1 year with the Giants is a good hire.
You would not think the Carolina fans would want their good coach to get away lol. Urban want the guy I wanted but give me him over Rhule any day.
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173.../#comments
I don't think he was a good hire, but he's certainly superior to Urbz, that's what was expressed upthread.
(11-09-2021, 01:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 12:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I see your knowledge is as deep as your understanding since Kingsbury coached at Texas Tech, a school that's basically Baylor-esque. And with the Panthers at 4-5 Rhule is at least twice the NFL Head Coach that Urbz is.
Knowledge? It's called short term memory loss lol. Texas Tech, that's right. That was a very questionable hire as well. There is much more talent on that Car. team. They should have a better record than 4-5. That Arizona team is loaded with talent as well but it's likely they will choke in the playoffs. Rhule twice the coach that Urbz is since he has 4 wins? Lol, this is also his 2nd year coaching. What has Rhule done in his coaching career that would make you think he is a good NFL coach? Take Baylor to a winning record? Funny that most of the Car. fans realize that Rhule was a bad hire but a few on here thanks that hiring a head coach from Baylor and Temple with no NFL coaching experience outside from the 1 year with the Giants is a good hire.
You would not think the Carolina fans would want their good coach to get away lol. Urban want the guy I wanted but give me him over Rhule any day.
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/173.../#comments
Dude. There are people that want Tomlin fired. There are people that want Sean Payton or Pete Carrol fired.
Many fans (like yourself) live in the moment. One bad game and its "fire everyone!"
I believe Rhule has been hampered by bad or average QB play. What he's done with that defense in just over a year is fairly remarkable. If they had even an average QB this season, they're likely 6-3.
(11-09-2021, 11:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 09:36 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Can you explain why Rhule is a bad coach? Dude has 4 wins with Sam Darnold in the NFC South which is a really tough division.
What has he done in his coaching career to even think he would be a good NFL coach? He was the Giants offensive line coach 1 year, the head coach for Temple, and the head coach for Baylor lol. Not the coaching resume that I would look for in my NFL head coach lol. What part of his resume made you think he would be a good head coach at the next level?
(11-08-2021, 05:52 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Kingsbury was supposed to suck too. Frankly, he didn't even come off as a particularly strong college coach, but Arizona let him pick his own shiny, new quarterback, and he's not looking too bad as a result.
I wonder how much Rhule had to say about trading for Darnold... If that was his choice, then he's made his own bed. If not, then I feel for him just a tiny little bit - dudes at that level get paid too well for me to really feel sorry for them.
Oklahoma vs Baylor. A big difference there, but yes that was a risk
(11-09-2021, 09:04 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]well this certainly is a take.
I would easily take Rhule and Brady over Urbz and Bevell.
I'd rather Urban and Brady. So you thank Rhule is a good coach?
I do; as to Rhule's resume, he took over Baylor after the program cratered following a major sexual assault scandal. He replaced a placeholder coach (Jim Grobe) and got the team from 1-11 in his first year to the Sugar Bowl in two seasons. He was the textbook definition of an ascending head coach. I absolutely wanted us to hire him instead of keeping Marrone for his final season. Rhule proved he could do more with less and showed creativity in scheme that was making him a coveted hire at both CFB and pro levels.
Oklahoma? Kingsbury was Texas Tech. Kyler played at Oklahoma. Understandable to cross the two up.
(11-09-2021, 03:27 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 11:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What has he done in his coaching career to even think he would be a good NFL coach? He was the Giants offensive line coach 1 year, the head coach for Temple, and the head coach for Baylor lol. Not the coaching resume that I would look for in my NFL head coach lol. What part of his resume made you think he would be a good head coach at the next level?
Oklahoma vs Baylor. A big difference there, but yes that was a risk
I'd rather Urban and Brady. So you thank Rhule is a good coach?
I do; as to Rhule's resume, he took over Baylor after the program cratered following a major sexual assault scandal. He replaced a placeholder coach (Jim Grobe) and got the team from 1-11 in his first year to the Sugar Bowl in two seasons. He was the textbook definition of an ascending head coach. I absolutely wanted us to hire him instead of keeping Marrone for his final season. Rhule proved he could do more with less and showed creativity in scheme that was making him a coveted hire at both CFB and pro levels.
Oklahoma? Kingsbury was Texas Tech. Kyler played at Oklahoma. Understandable to cross the two up.
You're talking about Baylor, we are talking about the NFL. A huge difference and it is showing. He had Teddy last year and couldn't do much, this year he traded up for his guy and is looking like the worst team in that division. They used every draft pick they had last year on defense along with top 10 pick in Brown, added more this year including a top 10 pick on a corner, traded for top 10 pick in Henderson, just got the DPOY from 2 years ago. Rhule is looking like a failure at the head coaching position and it's not a surprise looking at his resume anf why all the fans want him gone. Im glad we didn't bring in Rhule, I'd take Marrone over Rhule any day. That team really is loaded with talent but coaching is holding them back. They need a coach with experience
(11-09-2021, 04:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 03:27 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I do; as to Rhule's resume, he took over Baylor after the program cratered following a major sexual assault scandal. He replaced a placeholder coach (Jim Grobe) and got the team from 1-11 in his first year to the Sugar Bowl in two seasons. He was the textbook definition of an ascending head coach. I absolutely wanted us to hire him instead of keeping Marrone for his final season. Rhule proved he could do more with less and showed creativity in scheme that was making him a coveted hire at both CFB and pro levels.
Oklahoma? Kingsbury was Texas Tech. Kyler played at Oklahoma. Understandable to cross the two up.
You're talking about Baylor, we are talking about the NFL. A huge difference and it is showing. He had Teddy last year and couldn't do much, this year he traded up for his guy and is looking like the worst team in that division. They used every draft pick they had last year on defense along with top 10 pick in Brown, added more this year including a top 10 pick on a corner, traded for top 10 pick in Henderson, just got the DPOY from 2 years ago. Rhule is looking like a failure at the head coaching position and it's not a surprise looking at his resume anf why all the fans want him gone. Im glad we didn't bring in Rhule, I'd take Marrone over Rhule any day. That team really is loaded with talent but coaching is holding them back. They need a coach with experience
It seems to be far, far, far less of a difference than Florida and the NFL, or Ohio State and the NFL. The gap in those comparisons appears to be cosmic in size.
(11-09-2021, 04:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 03:27 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I do; as to Rhule's resume, he took over Baylor after the program cratered following a major sexual assault scandal. He replaced a placeholder coach (Jim Grobe) and got the team from 1-11 in his first year to the Sugar Bowl in two seasons. He was the textbook definition of an ascending head coach. I absolutely wanted us to hire him instead of keeping Marrone for his final season. Rhule proved he could do more with less and showed creativity in scheme that was making him a coveted hire at both CFB and pro levels.
Oklahoma? Kingsbury was Texas Tech. Kyler played at Oklahoma. Understandable to cross the two up.
You're talking about Baylor, we are talking about the NFL. A huge difference and it is showing. He had Teddy last year and couldn't do much, this year he traded up for his guy and is looking like the worst team in that division. They used every draft pick they had last year on defense along with top 10 pick in Brown, added more this year including a top 10 pick on a corner, traded for top 10 pick in Henderson, just got the DPOY from 2 years ago. Rhule is looking like a failure at the head coaching position and it's not a surprise looking at his resume anf why all the fans want him gone. Im glad we didn't bring in Rhule, I'd take Marrone over Rhule any day. That team really is loaded with talent but coaching is holding them back. They need a coach with experience
Teddy had career highs in yards, completion percentage and TD last year. That was also without their biggest threat (McCaffrey) on offense.
If you want to say Darnold is holding them back, I'll give that. The leopard hasn't changed his spots in the least, still throwing more picks than TDs and that's going to put a strain on any defense and W-L record. You would think a Jag fan would realize that. Both Darnold and Henderson were rolls of the dice, hopes that a change of scenery might unlock the potential both showed in college while their former teams bore the brunt of their salaries. I don't see how you pit the GM's moves on the coach, but go ahead.
So if we're 4-5 next year at this point are you going to call Urbz a failure too? We've thrown a ton of draft capital at our team too, and in Urbz's case, he's the one at the conn.
(11-09-2021, 05:43 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2021, 04:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You're talking about Baylor, we are talking about the NFL. A huge difference and it is showing. He had Teddy last year and couldn't do much, this year he traded up for his guy and is looking like the worst team in that division. They used every draft pick they had last year on defense along with top 10 pick in Brown, added more this year including a top 10 pick on a corner, traded for top 10 pick in Henderson, just got the DPOY from 2 years ago. Rhule is looking like a failure at the head coaching position and it's not a surprise looking at his resume anf why all the fans want him gone. Im glad we didn't bring in Rhule, I'd take Marrone over Rhule any day. That team really is loaded with talent but coaching is holding them back. They need a coach with experience
Teddy had career highs in yards, completion percentage and TD last year. That was also without their biggest threat (McCaffrey) on offense.
If you want to say Darnold is holding them back, I'll give that. The leopard hasn't changed his spots in the least, still throwing more picks than TDs and that's going to put a strain on any defense and W-L record. You would think a Jag fan would realize that. Both Darnold and Henderson were rolls of the dice, hopes that a change of scenery might unlock the potential both showed in college while their former teams bore the brunt of their salaries. I don't see how you pit the GM's moves on the coach, but go ahead.
So if we're 4-5 next year at this point are you going to call Urbz a failure too? We've thrown a ton of draft capital at our team too, and in Urbz's case, he's the one at the conn.
My point was they have a lot of talent on that team but haven't done much with it, I didn't say anything bad about the GM. There is a reason they want Rhule gone.
I wasn't and still not to confident in that hire.
(11-08-2021, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Rhule is a bad coach for the NFL Most knew that was a bad coaching hire and a head scratcher to say the least. At least we bought in a proven coach with multiple college titles. When you bring in a college coach, from a school like Baylor you are seeing what you get. I'd take Meyer over Rhule any day
At this point neither is a success. I don’t think either will end up making it over the hump and becoming good NFL coaches.
I don’t watch enough Carolina football to know this. Did Rhule even field a team as poorly prepared as we looked against Houston and Seattle?
Looking at the point spreads in their games last year:
https://www.google.com/search?q=carolina...s-wiz-serp
The games in his first year look pretty competitive. I know I would have a very different feeling towards Urban if we had that trajectory.
This year a couple of the Panthers games look bad. So maybe they are regressing.
Does anyone follow them closely? The results look better for the Panthers, but final scores can be deceiving.