(11-19-2021, 04:18 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Philippines treats gender with much more impartiality. Tagalog is so gender neutral there are no pronouns for him and her. No specific noun for husband and wife or brother and sister. Women have always been regarded more as equal and homosexuality is accepted as normal. But on the same hand, there is no self delusion that men in women’s bodies should compete as equals in the sports arena and there really is physical differences between men and women.
You could say because their social evolution, in this regards, began sooner, they’ve worked to an altruistic plane where differences are accepted but not everyone is commensurate. There are pegs of every shape, and even though all are accepted as equal, there’s also the realization they all don’t fit in every, um, hole.
That's what I was getting at, we are immersed in a society that was locked into a very specific norm that equated sex and gender. Many other societies are culturally different than us and no fixed relationship exists between the two.
(11-19-2021, 04:18 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Philippines treats gender with much more impartiality. Tagalog is so gender neutral there are no pronouns for him and her. No specific noun for husband and wife or brother and sister. Women have always been regarded more as equal and homosexuality is accepted as normal. But on the same hand, there is no self delusion that men in women’s bodies should compete as equals in the sports arena and there really is physical differences between men and women.
You could say because their social evolution, in this regards, began sooner, they’ve worked to an altruistic plane where differences are accepted but not everyone is commensurate. There are pegs of every shape, and even though all are accepted as equal, there’s also the realization they all don’t fit in every, um, hole.
I see what you did there.
The Philippines and its people have a lot to teach us but there are some things they are behind on as well. Many well to do families have servants that they actually treat as slaves. There is no place that perfectly lives up to any set of ideals, really. Every society has something to work on.
Why would any American want this country to become the [BLEEP] Philippines? Here's what's wrong with this country in a nutshell; too many idiots who want thier country to emulate the worst cultural behaviour of other countries. I'm from Greece and my wife's from Peru, and while we have a certain affection about our 1st homelands, I can guarantee you we don't want to see the US become either of those loser nations.
(11-19-2021, 01:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2021, 11:56 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]So, sexual behaviours then. That's very interesting. So then are promiscuous, horn-dogginess, virginal, chaste, etc. also 'genders'? Where does it stop? This sounds like a lot of re-definitional [BLEEP] to me, IMHO.
Yes, all of those characteristics are associated with particular genders. Some of them overlap into many genders and most are driven by how you perceive your own sexual identity and your attraction (or lack thereof) to a sex partner. We've always had these forms of expression, it's just that the individuals were so shamed by our puritanical society that they hid out among us instead of just doing what they wanted. Our society evolved from a binary categorization (girls are soft, wear pink, and play with dolls etc. while boys are hard, wear blue, and play sports etc.) to one that actually considers that there are more than two ways for people to behave and that includes topics like who a person might want to date, screw, or marry. Sometimes those categories were beneficial, other times they were detrimental, but either way they evolved to become our societal norms. But many other societies on our planet treat those categories differently, and our isn't always best. Consider an American man telling a Scotsman that he's a wimp for wearing a kilt because "men don't wear skirts." Each is it's own social construct about what it means to be a man, but neither is the final authority on the topic, and we in America have this idea that anyone who isn't our preferred expression of gender is "weird" or "crazy" or "weak." XX and XY don't change but gender isn't about chromosomes, it's about society.
I would never tell a Scotsman hes a wimp for wearing a skirt; he would most likely kick my [BLEEP]. However, a man wearing a skirt as a show of cultural pride vs a man bungholing another man (whether wearing a skirt or not) are two entirely different things.
(11-19-2021, 04:18 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Philippines treats gender with much more impartiality. Tagalog is so gender neutral there are no pronouns for him and her. No specific noun for husband and wife or brother and sister. Women have always been regarded more as equal and homosexuality is accepted as normal. But on the same hand, there is no self delusion that men in women’s bodies should compete as equals in the sports arena and there really is physical differences between men and women.
You could say because their social evolution, in this regards, began sooner, they’ve worked to an altruistic plane where differences are accepted but not everyone is commensurate. There are pegs of every shape, and even though all are accepted as equal, there’s also the realization they all don’t fit in every, um, hole.
This take bothers me less.
We don't ask ourselves "why" enough in this country. I think most of us would be perfectly fine having a conversation about this, but the truth is that it's really about a power struggle. Progressive elites coopt this narrative to subvert conservative culture and leverage it against them in the political arena. Conservatives are too slow to react to the shifting paradigm, and don't start thinking about how to address the problem within the problem, so they are easily outed as bigots. This makes moderates feel like democrats are progressive thinkers and conservatives aren't. But the truth is that the elites couldn't give 2 [BLEEP] about these issues. They just want the power, so even if conservatives could mobilize quickly enough to counter progressive talking points, Dems would just pivot. It's all about power.
(11-20-2021, 02:40 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Why would any American want this country to become the [BLEEP] Philippines? Here's what's wrong with this country in a nutshell; too many idiots who want thier country to emulate the worst cultural behaviour of other countries. I'm from Greece and my wife's from Peru, and while we have a certain affection about our 1st homelands, I can guarantee you we don't want to see the US become either of those loser nations.
Thanks for reading, I guess.