'I Feel Like We're on the Run': The Hatred for Democrats in Rural America Has Reached Biblical Levels
Well, this isn’t exactly a new story. The bleeding has been occurring for years, and Democrats have ignored it. It reached critical levels under Obama, where state party apparatuses truly withered away and died.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/...yxGaEmmHco
I don't mourn for the Democrats, but it is best when there is healthy competition between the two parties. Part of why NYC and Chicago have been so corrupt for so long is that Democrats only have to compete with other Democrats there. If there are areas where Republicans only have compete with other Republicans, it will create a different kind of corruption.
White progressives are starting to take over the messaging as they fill the coffers at the expense of black and other nonwhite voters who have been loyal party voters for decades. Money talks. Also, nonwhite voters are not as intense when it comes to…almost every issue. On racial resentment issues especially, nonwhite voters are very different from their white progressive allies in the sense that they know and acknowledge progress. Sure, more work needs to be done, but white ‘woke’ liberals only see Apartheid South Africa in everything. Disagreement is not accepted. It’s considered enabling evil. How do you craft a successful messaging with that mindset? You can’t.
That alone describes why the traditional democrats are losing ground. The progressives hijacked the democrat party because they knew their far left ideas wouldn't support a standalone party. Now traditional democrats are paying the price by being "guilty by association" in sharing the party and are the target for hate and discontent that is fully aimed at the progressives.
My in-laws are all traditional democrats and they cannot/will not see what the progressives are doing to their party, or to the country, because the media does their job well and doesn't make what the leftists are doing sound as bad as it is. Not in NC anyway. I don't hate my in-laws for being democrats but I do get frustrated that they refuse to see what is actually happening and any discussion to show them otherwise is shut down. They are willfully ignorant and that mindset grinds my gears on any day, on any subject and from anyone.
If traditional democrats don't push out the leftists and take their party back things will only get worse for them.
(02-19-2022, 12:07 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]White progressives are starting to take over the messaging as they fill the coffers at the expense of black and other nonwhite voters who have been loyal party voters for decades. Money talks. Also, nonwhite voters are not as intense when it comes to…almost every issue. On racial resentment issues especially, nonwhite voters are very different from their white progressive allies in the sense that they know and acknowledge progress. Sure, more work needs to be done, but white ‘woke’ liberals only see Apartheid South Africa in everything. Disagreement is not accepted. It’s considered enabling evil. How do you craft a successful messaging with that mindset? You can’t.
That alone describes why the traditional democrats are losing ground. The progressives hijacked the democrat party because they knew their far left ideas wouldn't support a standalone party. Now traditional democrats are paying the price by being "guilty by association" in sharing the party and are the target for hate and discontent that is fully aimed at the progressives.
My in-laws are all traditional democrats and they cannot/will not see what the progressives are doing to their party, or to the country, because the media does their job well and doesn't make what the leftists are doing sound as bad as it is. Not in NC anyway. I don't hate my in-laws for being democrats but I do get frustrated that they refuse to see what is actually happening and any discussion to show them otherwise is shut down. They are willfully ignorant and that mindset grinds my gears on any day, on any subject and from anyone.
If traditional democrats don't push out the leftists and take their party back things will only get worse for them.
I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
(02-19-2022, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 12:07 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]White progressives are starting to take over the messaging as they fill the coffers at the expense of black and other nonwhite voters who have been loyal party voters for decades. Money talks. Also, nonwhite voters are not as intense when it comes to…almost every issue. On racial resentment issues especially, nonwhite voters are very different from their white progressive allies in the sense that they know and acknowledge progress. Sure, more work needs to be done, but white ‘woke’ liberals only see Apartheid South Africa in everything. Disagreement is not accepted. It’s considered enabling evil. How do you craft a successful messaging with that mindset? You can’t.
That alone describes why the traditional democrats are losing ground. The progressives hijacked the democrat party because they knew their far left ideas wouldn't support a standalone party. Now traditional democrats are paying the price by being "guilty by association" in sharing the party and are the target for hate and discontent that is fully aimed at the progressives.
My in-laws are all traditional democrats and they cannot/will not see what the progressives are doing to their party, or to the country, because the media does their job well and doesn't make what the leftists are doing sound as bad as it is. Not in NC anyway. I don't hate my in-laws for being democrats but I do get frustrated that they refuse to see what is actually happening and any discussion to show them otherwise is shut down. They are willfully ignorant and that mindset grinds my gears on any day, on any subject and from anyone.
If traditional democrats don't push out the leftists and take their party back things will only get worse for them.
I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
Democrats are afraid of the far left of their party, and Republicans are afraid of Trump. Profiles in courage.
(02-19-2022, 04:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
Democrats are afraid of the far left of their party, and Republicans are afraid of Trump. Profiles in courage.
My experience is the opposite. I see people that are more scared of the other side. My father has told me he doesn't care what Democrats do, but he has to vote for them because Republicans are fascists. My grandfather has said similar things, that he doesn't really care what Republicans do because Democrats are commies. Both of them landed on these conclusions more than 40 years ago, before cable TV and talk radio.
(02-19-2022, 04:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
Democrats are afraid of the far left of their party, and Republicans are afraid of Trump. Profiles in courage.
Very true. The problem is that the radicals have taken over both parties.
(02-19-2022, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 12:07 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]White progressives are starting to take over the messaging as they fill the coffers at the expense of black and other nonwhite voters who have been loyal party voters for decades. Money talks. Also, nonwhite voters are not as intense when it comes to…almost every issue. On racial resentment issues especially, nonwhite voters are very different from their white progressive allies in the sense that they know and acknowledge progress. Sure, more work needs to be done, but white ‘woke’ liberals only see Apartheid South Africa in everything. Disagreement is not accepted. It’s considered enabling evil. How do you craft a successful messaging with that mindset? You can’t.
That alone describes why the traditional democrats are losing ground. The progressives hijacked the democrat party because they knew their far left ideas wouldn't support a standalone party. Now traditional democrats are paying the price by being "guilty by association" in sharing the party and are the target for hate and discontent that is fully aimed at the progressives.
My in-laws are all traditional democrats and they cannot/will not see what the progressives are doing to their party, or to the country, because the media does their job well and doesn't make what the leftists are doing sound as bad as it is. Not in NC anyway. I don't hate my in-laws for being democrats but I do get frustrated that they refuse to see what is actually happening and any discussion to show them otherwise is shut down. They are willfully ignorant and that mindset grinds my gears on any day, on any subject and from anyone.
If traditional democrats don't push out the leftists and take their party back things will only get worse for them.
I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
My FIL and MIL are in their 70s and live in small town NC. They don't even understand what "woke" means. Their worldview is extremely small. It's truly astounding. They really don't seem to get what's going wrong. My husband's aunt (MILs sister) is not quite as sheltered but she's not ever willing to see the truth of pretty much anything that is upsetting. My sister-in-law is 45 years old and knows better but again, she doesn't really want to get too realistic.
Somehow my husband and my SILs daughter both came out of that family as conservatives. Not sure how but they did. I am the wild card. I've lived and traveled all over the US and lived in a foreign country and experienced a great many things they never did and never will. The ten years I've been married and lived in this house is the most stability I've ever had. My political views reflect a mix of what I've experienced and what I believe in and I'm willing to discuss another POV that isn't total madness.
My in-laws are firmly dug in and won't see what's happening right in front of them.
(02-19-2022, 08:36 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
My FIL and MIL are in their 70s and live in small town NC. They don't even understand what "woke" means. Their worldview is extremely small. It's truly astounding. They really don't seem to get what's going wrong. My husband's aunt (MILs sister) is not quite as sheltered but she's not ever willing to see the truth of pretty much anything that is upsetting. My sister-in-law is 45 years old and knows better but again, she doesn't really want to get too realistic.
Somehow my husband and my SILs daughter both came out of that family as conservatives. Not sure how but they did. I am the wild card. I've lived and traveled all over the US and lived in a foreign country and experienced a great many things they never did and never will. The ten years I've been married and lived in this house is the most stability I've ever had. My political views reflect a mix of what I've experienced and what I believe in and I'm willing to discuss another POV that isn't total madness.
My in-laws are firmly dug in and won't see what's happening right in front of them.
What is "going wrong" that your in-laws don't understand, but should understand?
What does it matter to a senior citizen in small town NC if someone on Twitter is "woke" or not?
(02-19-2022, 04:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I would bet your in-laws aren't being willfully ignorant, they know exactly what's going on. The problem is dems will not question their own party - that has always been their hallmark. To express doubt or disagreement is considered traitorous and is grounds for outing or accusations of sleeping with the enemy. They would rather tolerate wokeness run destructively rampant than urge moderation which could be interpreted as giving ground to the other side.
Democrats are afraid of the far left of their party, and Republicans are afraid of Trump. Profiles in courage.
And elements of this as well.
It's funny the differences of opinion on this subject.
The moderates seem to be the ones more aware of the extremes on both sides. It makes sense why they're so desperately clinging to the establishment. The problem is that it's the establishment that's creating the extremes on both sides. In that sense. Until the moderates sack up and form the largest body against the establishment, the extremists are in a battle for control. It stands to reason that what is going to eventually happen is the moderates will eventually capitulate to one side's demands, which will result in complete elimination of the opposing voice, and the result will be a government shaped by the new loudest voice.
The worst part of this, to me, is that it's pretty clear right now that the radical left is far more authoritarian in its end game. We can all see it, but people are afraid to say it. Well, I guess some are just blinded by the control they have of the narrative.
(02-20-2022, 10:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny the differences of opinion on this subject.
The moderates seem to be the ones more aware of the extremes on both sides. It makes sense why they're so desperately clinging to the establishment. The problem is that it's the establishment that's creating the extremes on both sides. In that sense. Until the moderates sack up and form the largest body against the establishment, the extremists are in a battle for control. It stands to reason that what is going to eventually happen is the moderates will eventually capitulate to one side's demands, which will result in complete elimination of the opposing voice, and the result will be a government shaped by the new loudest voice.
The worst part of this, to me, is that it's pretty clear right now that the radical left is far more authoritarian in its end game. We can all see it, but people are afraid to say it. Well, I guess some are just blinded by the control they have of the narrative.
You want me to "sack up against the establishment?" I AM the establishment.
(02-20-2022, 10:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny the differences of opinion on this subject.
The moderates seem to be the ones more aware of the extremes on both sides. It makes sense why they're so desperately clinging to the establishment. The problem is that it's the establishment that's creating the extremes on both sides. In that sense. Until the moderates sack up and form the largest body against the establishment, the extremists are in a battle for control. It stands to reason that what is going to eventually happen is the moderates will eventually capitulate to one side's demands, which will result in complete elimination of the opposing voice, and the result will be a government shaped by the new loudest voice.
The worst part of this, to me, is that it's pretty clear right now that the radical left is far more authoritarian in its end game. We can all see it, but people are afraid to say it. Well, I guess some are just blinded by the control they have of the narrative.
They have more than control of the narrative, they have control of the means. Say the wrong thing on social media and you’re pilloried then silenced. Want your own platform? Nope. Then the host services refuse to carry it. Look what happened to Parler.
We’re in a dangerous time now because people are physically banned from expressing their opinion. Debate is being labeled as threatening and then squelched. The moderate left may not agree with the radicals of their party, but they have no problem seeing opposing ideas silenced, and that is the dichotomy of the left today.
(02-20-2022, 10:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2022, 10:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny the differences of opinion on this subject.
The moderates seem to be the ones more aware of the extremes on both sides. It makes sense why they're so desperately clinging to the establishment. The problem is that it's the establishment that's creating the extremes on both sides. In that sense. Until the moderates sack up and form the largest body against the establishment, the extremists are in a battle for control. It stands to reason that what is going to eventually happen is the moderates will eventually capitulate to one side's demands, which will result in complete elimination of the opposing voice, and the result will be a government shaped by the new loudest voice.
The worst part of this, to me, is that it's pretty clear right now that the radical left is far more authoritarian in its end game. We can all see it, but people are afraid to say it. Well, I guess some are just blinded by the control they have of the narrative.
You want me to "sack up against the establishment?" I AM the establishment.
No, you're not. You think you are.
(02-20-2022, 10:17 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2022, 10:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny the differences of opinion on this subject.
The moderates seem to be the ones more aware of the extremes on both sides. It makes sense why they're so desperately clinging to the establishment. The problem is that it's the establishment that's creating the extremes on both sides. In that sense. Until the moderates sack up and form the largest body against the establishment, the extremists are in a battle for control. It stands to reason that what is going to eventually happen is the moderates will eventually capitulate to one side's demands, which will result in complete elimination of the opposing voice, and the result will be a government shaped by the new loudest voice.
The worst part of this, to me, is that it's pretty clear right now that the radical left is far more authoritarian in its end game. We can all see it, but people are afraid to say it. Well, I guess some are just blinded by the control they have of the narrative.
They have more than control of the narrative, they have control of the means. Say the wrong thing on social media and you’re pilloried then silenced. Want your own platform? Nope. Then the host services refuse to carry it. Look what happened to Parler.
We’re in a dangerous time now because people are physically banned from expressing their opinion. Debate is being labeled as threatening and then squelched. The moderate left may not agree with the radicals of their party, but they have no problem seeing opposing ideas silenced, and that is the dichotomy of the left today.
I couldn't agree more.
(02-20-2022, 10:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2022, 10:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You want me to "sack up against the establishment?" I AM the establishment.
No, you're not. You think you are.
Okay, then who is "the establishment," in your opinion?
(02-20-2022, 10:17 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2022, 10:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny the differences of opinion on this subject.
The moderates seem to be the ones more aware of the extremes on both sides. It makes sense why they're so desperately clinging to the establishment. The problem is that it's the establishment that's creating the extremes on both sides. In that sense. Until the moderates sack up and form the largest body against the establishment, the extremists are in a battle for control. It stands to reason that what is going to eventually happen is the moderates will eventually capitulate to one side's demands, which will result in complete elimination of the opposing voice, and the result will be a government shaped by the new loudest voice.
The worst part of this, to me, is that it's pretty clear right now that the radical left is far more authoritarian in its end game. We can all see it, but people are afraid to say it. Well, I guess some are just blinded by the control they have of the narrative.
They have more than control of the narrative, they have control of the means. Say the wrong thing on social media and you’re pilloried then silenced. Want your own platform? Nope. Then the host services refuse to carry it. Look what happened to Parler.
We’re in a dangerous time now because people are physically banned from expressing their opinion. Debate is being labeled as threatening and then squelched. The moderate left may not agree with the radicals of their party, but they have no problem seeing opposing ideas silenced, and that is the dichotomy of the left today.
1) Times today are not nearly as polarized or unstable as you think, not yet anyway,
2) "He who has the army" will beat "he who has the Twitter" easily. If I was scared of an extremist takeover in the next 10 years, I'd be scared of the right, not the left
(02-20-2022, 10:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2022, 10:17 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]They have more than control of the narrative, they have control of the means. Say the wrong thing on social media and you’re pilloried then silenced. Want your own platform? Nope. Then the host services refuse to carry it. Look what happened to Parler.
We’re in a dangerous time now because people are physically banned from expressing their opinion. Debate is being labeled as threatening and then squelched. The moderate left may not agree with the radicals of their party, but they have no problem seeing opposing ideas silenced, and that is the dichotomy of the left today.
1) Times today are not nearly as polarized or unstable as you think, not yet anyway,
2) "He who has the army" will beat "he who has the Twitter" easily. If I was scared of an extremist takeover in the next 10 years, I'd be scared of the right, not the left
Times are rapidly moving that direction, you just refuse to see it. The Armed Forces are being deconstructed into a left leaning defender of the government rather than the Constitution, you also refuse to see that.
(02-19-2022, 09:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 08:36 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]My FIL and MIL are in their 70s and live in small town NC. They don't even understand what "woke" means. Their worldview is extremely small. It's truly astounding. They really don't seem to get what's going wrong. My husband's aunt (MILs sister) is not quite as sheltered but she's not ever willing to see the truth of pretty much anything that is upsetting. My sister-in-law is 45 years old and knows better but again, she doesn't really want to get too realistic.
Somehow my husband and my SILs daughter both came out of that family as conservatives. Not sure how but they did. I am the wild card. I've lived and traveled all over the US and lived in a foreign country and experienced a great many things they never did and never will. The ten years I've been married and lived in this house is the most stability I've ever had. My political views reflect a mix of what I've experienced and what I believe in and I'm willing to discuss another POV that isn't total madness.
My in-laws are firmly dug in and won't see what's happening right in front of them.
What is "going wrong" that your in-laws don't understand, but should understand?
What does it matter to a senior citizen in small town NC if someone on Twitter is "woke" or not?
It's not about who is woke on twitter, it's about continuing to vote for a party that has been hijacked by leftists who promote the things that are making traditional (or non-progressive democrats) feel as if they're "on the run" as the news article implied. The in-laws and many others like those in the article refuse to see how the progressives are the problem.
As for your first question, don't be obtuse.
(02-20-2022, 01:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 09:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What is "going wrong" that your in-laws don't understand, but should understand?
What does it matter to a senior citizen in small town NC if someone on Twitter is "woke" or not?
It's not about who is woke on twitter, it's about continuing to vote for a party that has been hijacked by leftists who promote the things that are making traditional (or non-progressive democrats) feel as if they're "on the run" as the news article implied. The in-laws and many others like those in the article refuse to see how the progressives are the problem.
As for your first question, don't be obtuse.
So on one side, the Republican Party has been highjacked by Trumpism, and on the other side, the Democrats have been hijacked by the far-left woke-ists. It's way past time for a third party. A good name would be the We're-Not-Crazy Party.
(02-20-2022, 01:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 09:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What is "going wrong" that your in-laws don't understand, but should understand?
What does it matter to a senior citizen in small town NC if someone on Twitter is "woke" or not?
It's not about who is woke on twitter, it's about continuing to vote for a party that has been hijacked by leftists who promote the things that are making traditional (or non-progressive democrats) feel as if they're "on the run" as the news article implied. The in-laws and many others like those in the article refuse to see how the progressives are the problem.
As for your first question, don't be obtuse.
I know a lot of stuff but I don't know what in current affairs upsets you in particular. Can you help me understand? What if I assumed the answer, and assumed wrong?
(02-20-2022, 01:27 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2022, 01:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not about who is woke on twitter, it's about continuing to vote for a party that has been hijacked by leftists who promote the things that are making traditional (or non-progressive democrats) feel as if they're "on the run" as the news article implied. The in-laws and many others like those in the article refuse to see how the progressives are the problem.
As for your first question, don't be obtuse.
So on one side, the Republican Party has been highjacked by Trumpism, and on the other side, the Democrats have been hijacked by the far-left woke-ists. It's way past time for a third party. A good name would be the We're-Not-Crazy Party.
How can we make a third party possible?