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If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

(03-05-2022, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

This was  the pivot point of the season imo. We had been playing decent after that awful opening game and iirc we had played the cardinals very close as well. Should have won this game. 

Then UM goes and gets grinded on in his restaurant after this game and the wheels began to fall off the entire season at this point.

(03-05-2022, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

We also beat the Bills who had a better regular season record.  We also beat the Colts and the Dolphins who had winning records.  There's parity in the NFL.  The difference between the best and worst team isn't as much as many think.  On any given Sunday (or Thursday), any NFL team can win.

(03-05-2022, 10:25 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2022, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

We also beat the Bills who had a better regular season record.  We also beat the Colts and the Dolphins who had winning records.  There's parity in the NFL.  The difference between the best and worst team isn't as much as many think.  On any given Sunday (or Thursday), any NFL team can win.

Exactly. Sometimes players stick to the script and make plays. Sometimes coaches provide bad scripts and the players take the fall. They had a lot of close games last year. The Jets and Falcons games were winnable. So was that first contest against the clots.

Better coaching and a few stronger additions this month and April could quickly get this club to .500 or better.

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Should have won that game but questionable play calling in the second half was a glimpse of what was to come as the jags offense would be seriously atrocious almost all season.

We lost DJ Chark in that game. That was the bell tolling moment for the rest of the season.

(03-06-2022, 03:24 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Should have won that game but questionable play calling in the second half was a glimpse of what was to come as the jags offense would be seriously atrocious almost all season.

I think it boiled down to Meyer and Bevell clearly being disconnected as far as how the identity of the offense should be implemented last year.

The play calling was consistently inconsistent and it showed in their overall lack of play designs and formations.

They were trying to pigeonhole players into roles that didn't work instead of highlighting and amplifying their strengths into schemes and formations that did work.

The few times they ran the RPO formations for Lawrence he actually looked comfortable and made some good decisions with the football.

Trying to stretch the field or use WR bubble screens in spread formations with guys like Sheanault instead of keeping the alignments tighter at the line in bunch formations to enable natural pick plays to develop for underneath routes to benefit his YAC ability infuriated me.

Especially after Chark and Agnew were lost for the year. They also didn't utilize Robinson enough in the passing game. Rarely saw any HB screens or TE screens. Limiting Lawrence's ability to run also hurt the offense. Running Hyde out of spread formations after he spent the majority of his career running in power formations.

Just aggravating really.

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(03-06-2022, 07:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We lost DJ Chark in that game. That was the bell tolling moment for the rest of the season.

It's no coincidence that Lawrence's performance dropped significantly after this game, no other team the rest of the year was preparing to face the team as if they had any downfield threats. Agnew did what he could, but after Chark went down the team didn't have a legit NFL starting lineup on offense anymore. Finding at least one legit wr and bringing Chark back is needed. If Chark leaves then the team needs two legit starting wrs to go with Marvin.

The Jags had 2 touchdown leads twice in the second half and then gave up a 90-yard drive for the game-winning field goal with no time remaining, so let's not give the defense a pass in this one. The D didn't make the clutch stop when needed. 
Trevor being stuffed in the red zone on 4th and 1 in the closing seconds of the first half also came back to haunt. Urban failed on that risk/reward call.

(03-06-2022, 08:35 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 03:24 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Should have won that game but questionable play calling in the second half was a glimpse of what was to come as the jags offense would be seriously atrocious almost all season.

I think it boiled down to Meyer and Bevell clearly being disconnected as far as how the identity of the offense should be implemented last year.

The play calling was consistently inconsistent and it showed in their overall lack of play designs and formations.

They were trying to pigeonhole players into roles that didn't work instead of highlighting and amplifying their strengths into schemes and formations that did work.

The few times they ran the RPO formations for Lawrence he actually looked comfortable and made some good decisions with the football.

Trying to stretch the field or use WR bubble screens in spread formations with guys like Sheanault instead of keeping the alignments tighter at the line in bunch formations to enable natural pick plays to develop for underneath routes to benefit his YAC ability infuriated me.

Especially after Chark and Agnew were lost for the year. They also didn't utilize Robinson enough in the passing game. Rarely saw any HB screens or TE screens. Limiting Lawrence's ability to run also hurt the offense. Running Hyde out of spread formations after he spent the majority of his career running in power formations.

Just aggravating really.

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I have a good feeling most of this will be fixed with this staff coming in. If we survive Baalke, and by we I mean Doug Pederson's staff, this team should be highly competitive and winning games regularly by as early as next season. 

If Meyer took this job seriously this team could have pushed .500, its a damned shame he basically saw this as a paid vacation and was in panic mode vs focusing and adapting to the NFL.

(03-06-2022, 10:14 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 07:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We lost DJ Chark in that game. That was the bell tolling moment for the rest of the season.

It's no coincidence that Lawrence's performance dropped significantly after this game, no other team the rest of the year was preparing to face the team as if they had any downfield threats. Agnew did what he could, but after Chark went down the team didn't have a legit NFL starting lineup on offense anymore. Finding at least one legit wr and bringing Chark back is needed. If Chark leaves then the team needs two legit starting wrs to go with Marvin.

But we lost Chark on like the 4th play of the game and then Trevor went on to have his best game until week 18...

I also think the reason it was Trevor's best game is because of the work he did with his legs. He had like 5 first downs juking Bengals out on read options, including a TD and another should have been TD. I don't think he had that many designed runs the rest of the season combined. That really opened up the rest of the offense.

(03-06-2022, 04:00 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 10:14 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]It's no coincidence that Lawrence's performance dropped significantly after this game, no other team the rest of the year was preparing to face the team as if they had any downfield threats. Agnew did what he could, but after Chark went down the team didn't have a legit NFL starting lineup on offense anymore. Finding at least one legit wr and bringing Chark back is needed. If Chark leaves then the team needs two legit starting wrs to go with Marvin.

But we lost Chark on like the 4th play of the game and then Trevor went on to have his best game until week 18...

I also think the reason it was Trevor's best game is because of the work he did with his legs. He had like 5 first downs juking Bengals out on read options, including a TD and another should have been TD. I don't think he had that many designed runs the rest of the season combined. That really opened up the rest of the offense.

Losing Chark mattered more in following weeks as teams had the chance to prepare, shrink the field, and blanket the coverage. Yes running mattered, but it's far less effective when the entire defense can play within 8 yards of the LOS. They practically had 11 in the box every play.

(03-06-2022, 04:00 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 10:14 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]It's no coincidence that Lawrence's performance dropped significantly after this game, no other team the rest of the year was preparing to face the team as if they had any downfield threats. Agnew did what he could, but after Chark went down the team didn't have a legit NFL starting lineup on offense anymore. Finding at least one legit wr and bringing Chark back is needed. If Chark leaves then the team needs two legit starting wrs to go with Marvin.

But we lost Chark on like the 4th play of the game and then Trevor went on to have his best game until week 18...

I also think the reason it was Trevor's best game is because of the work he did with his legs. He had like 5 first downs juking Bengals out on read options, including a TD and another should have been TD. I don't think he had that many designed runs the rest of the season combined. That really opened up the rest of the offense.

The Jaguars barely had any offense throughout the second half of that game and beyond. So in other words once the opposing team found out the Jaguars had no downfield threat the whole defensive plan changed for our opponents.

(03-06-2022, 05:21 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 04:00 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]But we lost Chark on like the 4th play of the game and then Trevor went on to have his best game until week 18...

I also think the reason it was Trevor's best game is because of the work he did with his legs. He had like 5 first downs juking Bengals out on read options, including a TD and another should have been TD. I don't think he had that many designed runs the rest of the season combined. That really opened up the rest of the offense.

The Jaguars barely had any offense throughout the second half of that game and beyond. So in other words once the opposing team found out the Jaguars had no downfield threat the whole defensive plan changed for our opponents.

Our offense was horrible before the Bengals game too though...I think you're trying to put way too much weight on the Chark injury personally.

(03-06-2022, 06:52 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 05:21 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars barely had any offense throughout the second half of that game and beyond. So in other words once the opposing team found out the Jaguars had no downfield threat the whole defensive plan changed for our opponents.

Our offense was horrible before the Bengals game too though...I think you're trying to put way too much weight on the Chark injury personally.

Is true it was bad going into that game, a lot of it was terrible game planning. Still, after charm went down it got seriously worse within a week or two. Remember the stuff about Trevor not throwing a TD for something like 9 straight games?

(03-06-2022, 07:34 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 06:52 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Our offense was horrible before the Bengals game too though...I think you're trying to put way too much weight on the Chark injury personally.

Is true it was bad going into that game, a lot of it was terrible game planning. Still, after charm went down it got seriously worse within a week or two. Remember the stuff about Trevor not throwing a TD for something like 9 straight games?

Yeah, that's how I remember it too.

(03-05-2022, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

Bengals played down to our level.  That's it.  They didn't prepare well, coming out in the 1st half totally flat.

(03-06-2022, 07:34 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2022, 06:52 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Our offense was horrible before the Bengals game too though...I think you're trying to put way too much weight on the Chark injury personally.

Is true it was bad going into that game, a lot of it was terrible game planning. Still, after charm went down it got seriously worse within a week or two. Remember the stuff about Trevor not throwing a TD for something like 9 straight games?

I remember the struggles, sure. I remember Trevor being extremely aggressive in the first month and throwing a ton of INTs (and some ridiculous TDs), but then I remember them saying they were trying to teach him to be more careful with the ball and I think he went overboard trying to be conservative with it. I'm sure losing Chark had something to do with it, but I don't think it was much of a factor.

(03-05-2022, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

Biggest reasons I would say were it was early in the year so DCs didn't have a lot of film on us to scheme against our tendencies and Joey B was literally still getting his legs under him. Had that game been week 10 instad of week....3(?), Cincy beats us like a rented mule.

But, like others said, the biggest thing was Urbz draining all the wind out of our sails with his long-weekend shenanigans, and the rest of the season was flushed away instead of building on that momentum.

(03-05-2022, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there's already a thread about this, I'm sorry, but I seem to recall the Jags playing the Bengals close, in Cinci.  Yet the Bengals went to the SB! What gives there? Did they have a key injury or something?

I initially simply stated the Bengals came out flat (overlooking the Jags).

Let me expand on that.  The Bengals just came off of a big win vs the Steelers and the Bengals-Jags game was scheduled for that Thursday night.  The Bengals then had to play vs the Packers.   The Bengals-Jags Thursday night matchup was an ideal Trap Game for the Bengals.