This is one HELL of a trade. The Dolphins gave up alot to get Hill. Will he be the same?
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(03-23-2022, 04:58 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]29th overall pick this year, 2nd & 4th next year and a 4th & 6th in 2023. A four-year extension for 120M, with 72.2M guaranteed.
Chiefs trading WR Tyreek Hill to Dolphins for multiple draft picks, including 2022 first-rounder (nfl.com)
These teams mortgaging their future for non-quarterbacks are nuts! Trading away all that draft capital on a player who is one leg injury away from being done? No thanks. Good on the Chiefs, though. They just need to find a legitmate #1 receiver. And I bet they do it with Pick #29.
(03-24-2022, 05:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2022, 04:58 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]29th overall pick this year, 2nd & 4th next year and a 4th & 6th in 2023. A four-year extension for 120M, with 72.2M guaranteed.
Chiefs trading WR Tyreek Hill to Dolphins for multiple draft picks, including 2022 first-rounder (nfl.com)
These teams mortgaging their future for non-quarterbacks are nuts! Trading away all that draft capital on a player who is one leg injury away from being done? No thanks. Good on the Chiefs, though. They just need to find a legitmate #1 receiver. And I bet they do it with Pick #29.
What have the Dolphins really mortgaged?
IIRC they still have picks from the trade back from 3rd overall.
Had they not traded for Hill, chances are slim they would have gotten a WR as good as Hill. The only future picks they have mortgaged are the 4th and 6th round picks next year. Those are not likely to be huge losses.
Every player is one wrong leg injury from being done.
(03-23-2022, 10:22 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]This is one HELL of a trade. The Dolphins gave up alot to get Hill. Will he be the same?
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
If Tua stinks up the house, he's got no excuses. This is put up or shut up time in Miami.
(03-24-2022, 08:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2022, 08:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The plot thickens...?
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259
Gonna need to see what he would return but I can't imagine it would be worth it. The Jags WR room is still weak and they need to give Viska a shot with this new offense.
An x factor is what Doug Pederson thinks of Viska's potential as a WR in his system, compared draft options at WR, in a deep WR draft? That, much more if the Jaguars add a projected # 1 WR in a trade down from pick # 1 or with the pick # 33 draft resource. Having a vertical threat or at least someone close to that skill set, seems like a necessity for Viska to have a chance at being an effective WR.
(03-24-2022, 08:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The plot thickens...?
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259
If the Chiefs like him that much, I'd ask for pick 62, at the end of round 2 and the Jaguars can throw in one of their 6th rounders. The Jaguars can use that pick to move back up to round 1 to get a true X receiver. As things stand now, they are at the mercy of waiting to see which receiver is left after round 1. They could then offer picks 33 and 62 to move up to New England's spot (21) and take Jameson Williams. If they believe Williams will miss too much of next season due to his ACL, Chris Olave or Burks would be good alternatives.
(03-24-2022, 01:18 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2022, 08:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The plot thickens...?
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259
If the Chiefs like him that much, I'd ask for pick 62, at the end of round 2 and the Jaguars can throw in one of their 6th rounders. The Jaguars can use that pick to move back up to round 1 to get a true X receiver. As things stand now, they are at the mercy of waiting to see which receiver is left after round 1. They could then offer picks 33 and 62 to move up to New England's spot (21) and take Jameson Williams. If they believe Williams will miss too much of next season due to his ACL, Chris Olave or Burks would be good alternatives.
I love everything about what you just said.
That is absolutely what they should do.
(03-24-2022, 06:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2022, 05:56 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]These teams mortgaging their future for non-quarterbacks are nuts! Trading away all that draft capital on a player who is one leg injury away from being done? No thanks. Good on the Chiefs, though. They just need to find a legitmate #1 receiver. And I bet they do it with Pick #29.
What have the Dolphins really mortgaged?
IIRC they still have picks from the trade back from 3rd overall.
Had they not traded for Hill, chances are slim they would have gotten a WR as good as Hill. The only future picks they have mortgaged are the 4th and 6th round picks next year. Those are not likely to be huge losses.
Every player is one wrong leg injury from being done.
They're giving up those picks AND paying him $30m per. Of course every player is one leg injury away. But when you're a speed WR, THAT's your thing. NO WAY. Does anyone beside the Fins really think they're competing in the AFC? They still won't get past the Bills and probably the Pats, either.
(03-24-2022, 01:18 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2022, 08:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The plot thickens...?
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259
If the Chiefs like him that much, I'd ask for pick 62, at the end of round 2 and the Jaguars can throw in one of their 6th rounders. The Jaguars can use that pick to move back up to round 1 to get a true X receiver. As things stand now, they are at the mercy of waiting to see which receiver is left after round 1. They could then offer picks 33 and 62 to move up to New England's spot (21) and take Jameson Williams. If they believe Williams will miss too much of next season due to his ACL, Chris Olave or Burks would be good alternatives.
Robert Woods was traded for a 6th. The Jags aren't getting a 2nd for Viska.
Tyrek is about the find out the difference between Mahome's rifle and Tua's pellet gun. He's still the YAC king. But it's going to be different and frustrating for him.
(03-24-2022, 06:37 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2022, 06:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]What have the Dolphins really mortgaged?
IIRC they still have picks from the trade back from 3rd overall.
Had they not traded for Hill, chances are slim they would have gotten a WR as good as Hill. The only future picks they have mortgaged are the 4th and 6th round picks next year. Those are not likely to be huge losses.
Every player is one wrong leg injury from being done.
They're giving up those picks AND paying him $30m per. Of course every player is one leg injury away. But when you're a speed WR, THAT's your thing. NO WAY. Does anyone beside the Fins really think they're competing in the AFC? They still won't get past the Bills and probably the Pats, either.
So then if I understand you correctly:
1. Teams, even those with three years worth of premium picks, should never trade any of them?
2. Teams should never pay top dollar for a top player?
3. Teams should never draft/acquire fast players?
(03-24-2022, 07:17 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Tyrek is about the find out the difference between Mahome's rifle and Tua's pellet gun. He's still the YAC king. But it's going to be different and frustrating for him.
$72 mill guaranteed will help with a lot of that frustration, I would imagine.
(03-24-2022, 07:17 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Tyrek is about the find out the difference between Mahome's rifle and Tua's pellet gun. He's still the YAC king. But it's going to be different and frustrating for him.
The Mahomes route;
1. sprint downfield
2. catch the ball in stride
3. keep running
The Tua route;
1. sprint downfield
2. circle back a couple yards and wait for the floater to come down
3. brace for impact as DB catches up during hang time
(03-25-2022, 08:17 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2022, 06:37 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]They're giving up those picks AND paying him $30m per. Of course every player is one leg injury away. But when you're a speed WR, THAT's your thing. NO WAY. Does anyone beside the Fins really think they're competing in the AFC? They still won't get past the Bills and probably the Pats, either.
So then if I understand you correctly:
1. Teams, even those with three years worth of premium picks, should never trade any of them?
2. Teams should never pay top dollar for a top player?
3. Teams should never draft/acquire fast players?
No. You don’t understand me correctly.
A 2022 1st, 2nd, and 4th, plus a 2023 4th and 6th, plus $30m/year is too much for a WR no matter how good he is.
Teams should pay top dollar for certain players at certain times. There are times when 14.5% of your cap is worth an elite WR. I just think the Dolphins are foolish to do it at this time in their rebuild. No quarterback currently on their roster can take full advantage of Tyreek.
Nothing I said mitigates against drafting fast players. But if being fast is your main thing and you were in a position that one hit can take that main thing from you, I’m not giving you that kind of guaranteed money plus all of that draft capital to acquire you.
And the argument that you’ve got to do everything you can to compete in the arms race that is the AFC right now doesn’t hold water for me. The Dolphins are still the third best team in their division. They’re not going to make the playoffs probably. And if they do they still have to get through the teams from the AFC West and the AFC North. I think it’s unnecessarily wasting money. You just keep building a good roster and ride the storm out for two or three years and the landscape will change. Then you can attack your window after you have a better quarterback.
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I would have preferred trading for Tyreek than Adams
Inb4 people clown me for that opinion.