I'd see 6 wins as an improvement but I think 8 wins is a good bar to shoot for.
It's hard to say. A couple guys get injured and they might win 3 games, but overall they've improved. Or a couple teams in our division have injuries and we win some games that way, so it's not as representative as it might be.
I really want to see better players, playing better. I want to see coaches making great calls and not making [BLEEP] of themselves. I want to see Tlaw make big improvements because he's got better linemen, better receivers and he's got better coaching. I didn't like the pick of ETN last year, so IMHO he really, really needs to be a major difference maker.
I think if we see more moments of greatness and fewer moments of absurdity, the record will work itself out and we'll be happy with the progress Pederson has made, in spite of the Baalke monkey on his back.
Commanders won 7 games last year. They trash.
Bears won 6 games last year. They trash.
The Jags finally have a competent coach to go with a real QB. When’s the last time they actually had that? JDR and Garrard?
Jags should easily win 6 games next year just based on having the best coach they’ve had in 10-15 years and the best QB possibly they’ve ever had.
3 wins in our division, maybe 5 if everything falls just right. Among our other opponents are the Giants, Commanders, Jets, and Lions. Those are very winnable games. We also play the Eagles and Cowboys, who have the edge on us but are certainly winnable. So I think we could win anywhere from 5 to 11 games.
6 games is a good goal.
I want playoffs! I know it’s a major long shot though
If Trevor Lawrence is half as good as everyone seems to think 8 wins should be expected rather than an achievement.
I think 6 wins should be the minimum. Of course, it all depends on injuries, and breaks. But I think anything less than 6 would be disappointing.
I know our roster will be better this year, but to me, the big question is, how many wins will come from the change from one of the worst head coaches in NFL history to a fully competent head coach.
(04-14-2022, 09:10 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I want playoffs! I know it’s a major long shot though
(04-15-2022, 03:04 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If Trevor Lawrence is half as good as everyone seems to think 8 wins should be expected rather than an achievement.
(04-15-2022, 06:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think 6 wins should be the minimum. Of course, it all depends on injuries, and breaks. But I think anything less than 6 would be disappointing.
I know our roster will be better this year, but to me, the big question is, how many wins will come from the change from one of the worst head coaches in NFL history to a fully competent head coach.
Agreed on all of this. Shoot for the Moon or don't shoot at all. Pederson has a proven track record and great pedigree. Lawrence is supposed to be this generational talent that we lucked ourselves into. 6 should be the minimum, however, anything less than that will be a let down. On the flip side? As cited earlier and above. The expectations need to be higher. Eight wins or more should be the expectation. Not an achievement.
Baalke, to his credit, and probably Pederson's input. He's gone out and bolstered this roster. It's better than what it was last year on paper. Still have the draft as well. Raise the bar. Six is too low IMHO.
(04-15-2022, 07:48 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2022, 09:10 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I want playoffs! I know it’s a major long shot though
(04-15-2022, 03:04 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If Trevor Lawrence is half as good as everyone seems to think 8 wins should be expected rather than an achievement.
(04-15-2022, 06:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think 6 wins should be the minimum. Of course, it all depends on injuries, and breaks. But I think anything less than 6 would be disappointing.
I know our roster will be better this year, but to me, the big question is, how many wins will come from the change from one of the worst head coaches in NFL history to a fully competent head coach.
Agreed on all of this. Shoot for the Moon or don't shoot at all. Pederson has a proven track record and great pedigree. Lawrence is supposed to be this generational talent that we lucked ourselves into. 6 should be the minimum, however, anything less than that will be a let down. On the flip side? As cited earlier and above. The expectations need to be higher. Eight wins or more should be the expectation. Not an achievement.
Baalke, to his credit, and probably Pederson's input. He's gone out and bolstered this roster. It's better than what it was last year on paper. Still have the draft as well. Raise the bar. Six is too low IMHO.
It really hinges on how good you think the team roster is. Even Drew Brees had losing seasons from 2014-2016 in the elite part of his career when the roster around him was bad, and he also had an elite coach.
The expectations for Lawrence should really be the expectations of the rest of the roster. If it's much better than last year then a winning season isn't out of the question, if it's only on a similar level to last year then 6-7 wins would be a good season.
(04-15-2022, 03:04 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If Trevor Lawrence is half as good as everyone seems to think 8 wins should be expected rather than an achievement.
Lawrence is good in some aspects but was way over hyped. Not in the same league as Andrew luck. Pederson should be able to unlock his potential.
A few months ago I said that IF we had a good FA and draft we could get 6-8 wins and people thought it was a bit high... Anyway, imo we had a good FA. If Baalke doesn't screw up the draft I still think we get 6-8 wins. Pederson knows what he is doing (unlike Meyer) and I expect big improvement from Trevor thanks to him.
We need to win our division. Bottom line
(04-16-2022, 02:14 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]We need to win our division. Bottom line
I don't think that's going to happen, coming off a 3-14 season.
I think we should expect 6-7 wins. If our young players, like Lawrence and Etienne, take a big step forward, if we have a good draft, and if we aren't crippled by injuries, and with a vastly improved head coach, we might even get to 8 or at the most 9 wins. But I don't expect us to shoot the moon like that. Things happen. Some bad, some good. I expect 6-7 wins.
I remember last year, this team was so slow getting up to speed, we were several games into the regular season and we were still playing like it was the first preseason game. Sloppy, disorganized, dysfunctional. It looked like they hadn't even been practicing. Replacing Urban Meyer with Doug Pederson has to have some beneficial effect.
Bar? LOL .. First, the Jaguars are a 0 to 3 win team till the they prove otherwise. Every year between now and the start of the season we talk ourselves into the possibility they could return to what they were during that first run. (which was glorious) Last year we were even able to convince ourselves we had a good receiving room. I am going to not have a bar this year and take it one game at a time. My focus will be how many times I go to the stadium and leave feeling "that was a good win". Yea, the last 10 years have taken a toll, but it is where I am right now. I will say things appear to be different, but in every locker room things are that way right now....until they aren't. Last year was that way, until they weren't.... call me a hopeful fan.
(04-15-2022, 07:53 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (04-15-2022, 07:48 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed on all of this. Shoot for the Moon or don't shoot at all. Pederson has a proven track record and great pedigree. Lawrence is supposed to be this generational talent that we lucked ourselves into. 6 should be the minimum, however, anything less than that will be a let down. On the flip side? As cited earlier and above. The expectations need to be higher. Eight wins or more should be the expectation. Not an achievement.
Baalke, to his credit, and probably Pederson's input. He's gone out and bolstered this roster. It's better than what it was last year on paper. Still have the draft as well. Raise the bar. Six is too low IMHO.
It really hinges on how good you think the team roster is. Even Drew Brees had losing seasons from 2014-2016 in the elite part of his career when the roster around him was bad, and he also had an elite coach.
The expectations for Lawrence should really be the expectations of the rest of the roster. If it's much better than last year then a winning season isn't out of the question, if it's only on a similar level to last year then 6-7 wins would be a good season.
Drew Brees is allowed to have a down year, he was an all time great for the majority of his career. Lawrence still has to prove he's great, and considering he's only played one year and it was awful I'd think another year like that would be a bit to worry about as opposed to Drew Brees having a good season, but losing games due to their defense being garbage. Our defense was also garbage last year but Trevor also didn't help.
(04-15-2022, 10:57 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (04-15-2022, 03:04 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If Trevor Lawrence is half as good as everyone seems to think 8 wins should be expected rather than an achievement.
Lawrence is good in some aspects but was way over hyped. Not in the same league as Andrew luck. Pederson should be able to unlock his potential.
I agree, I think Pederson will get the best Trevor Lawrence available. That's why I personally feel like this season will show us what we really have in him. And before people jump the gun on what i'm saying I am speaking on Trevor as an individual performance, if he burst out playing out of his mind (unlike last year) and the WRs continue to have drops that hinder his statistics i'll be the first to admit it. Last year while that was an issue, wasn't the main problem.
I want wins but this year is tough. The AFC west games will be tough, all the other random games will either be in rowdy fan stadiums or we'll be outnumbered at home. Division games will always be down to the final seconds of the game as well. I think we can manage a successful season but we still have a long time til the season starts, things will change a lot.
(04-16-2022, 01:58 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (04-15-2022, 07:53 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]It really hinges on how good you think the team roster is. Even Drew Brees had losing seasons from 2014-2016 in the elite part of his career when the roster around him was bad, and he also had an elite coach.
The expectations for Lawrence should really be the expectations of the rest of the roster. If it's much better than last year then a winning season isn't out of the question, if it's only on a similar level to last year then 6-7 wins would be a good season.
Drew Brees is allowed to have a down year, he was an all time great for the majority of his career. Lawrence still has to prove he's great, and considering he's only played one year and it was awful I'd think another year like that would be a bit to worry about as opposed to Drew Brees having a good season, but losing games due to their defense being garbage. Our defense was also garbage last year but Trevor also didn't help.
(04-15-2022, 10:57 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence is good in some aspects but was way over hyped. Not in the same league as Andrew luck. Pederson should be able to unlock his potential.
I agree, I think Pederson will get the best Trevor Lawrence available. That's why I personally feel like this season will show us what we really have in him. And before people jump the gun on what i'm saying I am speaking on Trevor as an individual performance, if he burst out playing out of his mind (unlike last year) and the WRs continue to have drops that hinder his statistics i'll be the first to admit it. Last year while that was an issue, wasn't the main problem.
Thanks for your thoughts on Lawrence versus Brees. Like I said, he had three consecutive losing seasons when the roster around him was bad, and that was with an elite head coach.
Anyone hung up on numbers or win totals to judge Lawrence is looking at the wrong thing.
I agree with those that it isn't just about wins, but how they play. Losing 10 games by a last second field goal would give me more hope for the future than 9 losses that were complete blowouts. I would also like to see a lot of rookies and young players get significant playing time and see improvement as the year progresses.
I feel that I would be slightly disappointed with only 6 wins. As discussed in another thread, we got 7 new starters via free agency, 3 drafts picks from last year are projected to move into starting roles this year, and we are likely to add 2 or more new starters from the upcoming draft. We also have better depth. We also have better coaching. I think a lot would have to go right for us to be a playoff team in 2022 but feel 7 or 8 wins is a realistic number that I would consider to be good. I want the team to be competitive week in and week out, being at least "in the hunt" for a playoff spot late in the season and setting up the team to have a realistic hope of being a playoff team in 2023.
9 or more wins should make everyone very happy
6-8 wins probably OK depending on how the team looks
5 or less would be a disappointment.
(04-16-2022, 04:08 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]9 or more wins should make everyone very happy
6-8 wins probably OK depending on how the team looks
5 or less would be a disappointment.
This franchise has only won 7 or more games once since 2010 (2017).
6 or more wins twice since 2010 (2017, 2019).
7 wins or more and competitive games this year should make everybody in this fan base happy. Then make that push into the playoffs next year.
7 or 8 wins might take the division given the schedule. I’m generally a let’s see it on the field first type of fan, but I do believe in Lawrence and I do see the significant potential for decline this season in Tennessee and Indy so I think we’ll be in contention into November and maybe even December.