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(04-29-2022, 11:34 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 11:03 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Still, it makes no sense to think the organization sees WR as a need to be addressed high in the draft after the investment in FA.
You would be considering it a wasted the pick that could be used on more immediate needs if the expectation is that they will be buried on the depth chart due to what you did in FA.
I mean in the modern NFL you play 3 wide receivers as a base. Kirk is great, Marvin Jones is near the end of his career and needs to be replaced. Laviska Shenault is an enigma & we signed Zay Jones who's solid but not spectacular. I can easily see adding a guy to seamlessly take over for MJJ opposite Kirk. It depends on how they feel about the talent available outside of the first round; obviously there was a steep dropoff which is why they were so aggressive in free agency imho.
They aren't interested in replacing Marvin Jones yet. He was our best receiver. Shenault had a sophomore slump and is too talented to be given up on yet. Then you have Agnew and Treadwell who both developed nicely as the season progressed.
They obvious like Zay and expect more out of him than just solid. Don't confuse your opinion of a guy with that of the front office. They didn't give him that kind of contract with the intention of turning around and drafting his replacement.
They made their investment in the WRs in FA and obviously feel settled at that position going into the season.
If some of the receivers struggle this season, then next draft a WR would be a realistic option in the top part of the draft, but it makes no sense this year.
People seem to think drafting a WR in the top part of the draft is an automatic improvement, but that is just a fallacy. There will be multiple receivers taken early this year that won't pan out.
(04-30-2022, 03:42 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 11:34 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]I mean in the modern NFL you play 3 wide receivers as a base. Kirk is great, Marvin Jones is near the end of his career and needs to be replaced. Laviska Shenault is an enigma & we signed Zay Jones who's solid but not spectacular. I can easily see adding a guy to seamlessly take over for MJJ opposite Kirk. It depends on how they feel about the talent available outside of the first round; obviously there was a steep dropoff which is why they were so aggressive in free agency imho.
They aren't interested in replacing Marvin Jones yet. He was our best receiver. Shenault had a sophomore slump and is too talented to be given up on yet. Then you have Agnew and Treadwell who both developed nicely as the season progressed.
They obvious like Zay and expect more out of him than just solid. Don't confuse your opinion of a guy with that of the front office. They didn't give him that kind of contract with the intention of turning around and drafting his replacement.
They made their investment in the WRs in FA and obviously feel settled at that position going into the season.
If some of the receivers struggle this season, then next draft a WR would be a realistic option in the top part of the draft, but it makes no sense this year.
People seem to think drafting a WR in the top part of the draft is an automatic improvement, but that is just a fallacy. There will be multiple receivers taken early this year that won't pan out.
I think the initial idea was to get a WR in round 2, 3 or 4. I don't know that anyone expected the insane run we had (most all time in the first 2 rounds IIRC) The idea was that this was a deep class and you could potentially get a good starter late (Metchi/Pickens/Sky Moore) whoever, but they all just happened to go fast and furious
There's a ton of upgrades still available for this team to look at here starting at 12 PM today. With picks 157, 188, 197 & 198 I think they need to start getting more active and clawing their way up into the beginning of round four ASAP. I can't believe Darian Kinnard and Jamaree Salyer are still on the board with their size, consistency and versatility to play inside or outside. Especially on the right side.
I would package 157 and 188 up now to get one of them right off the bat. Add an instant upgrade to fill in on short notice if Scherff or Bartch are injured at Guard or potentially push Taylor out of his job at right tackle this Summer. I would then look into packaging up 197 or 198 with one of those 7th round picks if possible to get back up in there again for Khalil Shakir or Calvin Austin III at WR.
Jake Ferguson and Charlie Kolar are potential steals at TE at this point. So is Isaiah Likely. Zamir White, Hassan Haskins & Tyler Badie are still out there at RB as well if you're looking to get one potentially in RD6 if no trades come up. Still a lot of solid value out there where you can still land a potential back-up with starting potential within a year or two on this current roster though.
They brought Salyer in for a visit didn’t they? You wouldn’t think they’d target him if they can find a trade partner
Would definitely be excited at Likely or Kolar. Austin III, Shakir, Ross, and Ezukanma would be nice WR additions too. Tons of RBs with appeal too
(04-30-2022, 07:30 AM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]Would definitely be excited at Likely or Kolar. Austin III, Shakir, Ross, and Ezukanma would be nice WR additions too. Tons of RBs with appeal too
I think they're prioritizing as follows:
1. RT/LG
2. Safety
3. RB
4. TE
5. WR
Expect to see Justyn Ross come up a lot today with our team in the media but there's a good chance somebody takes a shot at him in RD4 early. Browns got a steal last night with David Bell. Watson is going to probably find him early and often on 3rd downs. Makes me sick really, LOL.
(04-29-2022, 10:32 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 10:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The running theory is that we have a bunch of Y's and Z's but no prototypical X.
I think the guys we have are at least slightly more versatile than that, especially vs zone coverage, but that's the reason many thought a pick was coming.
This. I figured that the focus would be to give Trevor Lawrence every bit of help and extra tools and weapons to help him succeed and thrive in this league. I'm not at all upset about the way the draft has shaken out but I did expect a pass catcher to be selected between rounds 2-5 (back then we had a 4th round pick when I was conceptualizing this)
Honestly, you are indirectly helping Lawrence out by not allowing the opposition to hold the ball forever.
(04-30-2022, 06:03 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's a ton of upgrades still available for this team to look at here starting at 12 PM today. With picks 157, 188, 197 & 198 I think they need to start getting more active and clawing their way up into the beginning of round four ASAP. I can't believe Darian Kinnard and Jamaree Salyer are still on the board with their size, consistency and versatility to play inside or outside. Especially on the right side.
I would package 157 and 188 up now to get one of them right off the bat. Add an instant upgrade to fill in on short notice if Scherff or Bartch are injured at Guard or potentially push Taylor out of his job at right tackle this Summer. I would then look into packaging up 197 or 198 with one of those 7th round picks if possible to get back up in there again for Khalil Shakir or Calvin Austin III at WR.
Jake Ferguson and Charlie Kolar are potential steals at TE at this point. So is Isaiah Likely. Zamir White, Hassan Haskins & Tyler Badie are still out there at RB as well if you're looking to get one potentially in RD6 if no trades come up. Still a lot of solid value out there where you can still land a potential back-up with starting potential within a year or two on this current roster though.
Either would be nice, I would prefer Salyer so when we play Detroit we could line him up against Hutch. Also, I was listening to 1010 yesterday and someone said Taylor had already been told he is not a Tackle this year he will be playing Guard.
(04-30-2022, 09:57 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2022, 06:03 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's a ton of upgrades still available for this team to look at here starting at 12 PM today. With picks 157, 188, 197 & 198 I think they need to start getting more active and clawing their way up into the beginning of round four ASAP. I can't believe Darian Kinnard and Jamaree Salyer are still on the board with their size, consistency and versatility to play inside or outside. Especially on the right side.
I would package 157 and 188 up now to get one of them right off the bat. Add an instant upgrade to fill in on short notice if Scherff or Bartch are injured at Guard or potentially push Taylor out of his job at right tackle this Summer. I would then look into packaging up 197 or 198 with one of those 7th round picks if possible to get back up in there again for Khalil Shakir or Calvin Austin III at WR.
Jake Ferguson and Charlie Kolar are potential steals at TE at this point. So is Isaiah Likely. Zamir White, Hassan Haskins & Tyler Badie are still out there at RB as well if you're looking to get one potentially in RD6 if no trades come up. Still a lot of solid value out there where you can still land a potential back-up with starting potential within a year or two on this current roster though.
Either would be nice, I would prefer Salyer so when we play Detroit we could line him up against Hutch. Also, I was listening to 1010 yesterday and someone said Taylor had already been told he is not a Tackle this year he will be playing Guard.
If that's an accurate report, that is good news! He will definitely be better at guard. Whether he starts or not, who knows? Him, Bartch, and the loser of Shatley/Fortner battling for left guard will be a good competition.
well my dad isn't happy with any of the jags picks. he just told me its not worth watching the draft jags make nothing but bad picks.
I'll miss some of it myself today,but thats cause im going to work. Hes upset cause jags haven't gotton any help for Trevor. no number 1 go to WR,or TE, only 1 offenssive lineman.
Taylor moving inside to guard should mean that he won’t have to jump the snap count on nearly every play.
(04-30-2022, 10:07 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]well my dad isn't happy with any of the jags picks. he just told me its not worth watching the draft jags make nothing but bad picks.
I'll miss some of it myself today,but thats cause im going to work. Hes upset cause jags haven't gotton any help for Trevor. no number 1 go to WR,or TE, only 1 offenssive lineman.
Tell your pops to tune in early today for the draft. I think he's fixing to see a complete shift in strategy now that some of the better talent on defense is officially off the board you're going to see a lot more focus on offensive players outside of the WR position.
There's still plenty of opportunities to add another WR, TE or T/G to the roster. Don't forget too that they signed Kirk, Jones, Scherff & Ingram this off season as well as trading a pick/player mid season last year for Dan Arnold in addition to getting Travis Etienne back. They have plenty of upgrades already on offense. Plus Fortner now in the middle.
Good defense being played out there also means more opportunities with the football on offense. Lawrence can't do his job when his defense is getting raked through the coals in the ground game or blowing coverages downfield to where it completely throws our gameplan off balance.
Cheers! It's Saturday! You better be back to your usual hypeman self here in the next few months playboy!!!
(04-30-2022, 10:17 AM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]Taylor moving inside to guard should mean that he won’t have to jump the snap count on nearly every play.
I think it's a dream come true for him and this team. He should be a damn good mauler playing inside instead of outside.
(04-30-2022, 10:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a dream come true for him and this team. He should be a damn good mauler playing inside instead of outside.
I asked this earlier and no one could tell me, but when have you actually seen Taylor maul? He has traits that suggest he should be able to, but he plays soft and does not have a mauler mindset. He blocks just as long as he needs to and never finishes a guy off after he has won the rep.
(04-30-2022, 09:57 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Either would be nice, I would prefer Salyer so when we play Detroit we could line him up against Hutch. Also, I was listening to 1010 yesterday and someone said Taylor had already been told he is not a Tackle this year he will be playing Guard.
I heard the same thing. I think it was Carlyon, but could be wrong.
(04-30-2022, 10:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2022, 10:07 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]well my dad isn't happy with any of the jags picks. he just told me its not worth watching the draft jags make nothing but bad picks.
I'll miss some of it myself today,but thats cause im going to work. Hes upset cause jags haven't gotton any help for Trevor. no number 1 go to WR,or TE, only 1 offenssive lineman.
Tell your pops to tune in early today for the draft. I think he's fixing to see a complete shift in strategy now that some of the better talent on defense is officially off the board you're going to see a lot more focus on offensive players outside of the WR position.
There's still plenty of opportunities to add another WR, TE or T/G to the roster. Don't forget too that they signed Kirk, Jones, Scherff & Ingram this off season as well as trading a pick/player mid season last year for Dan Arnold in addition to getting Travis Etienne back. They have plenty of upgrades already on offense. Plus Fortner now in the middle.
Good defense being played out there also means more opportunities with the football on offense. Lawrence can't do his job when his defense is getting raked through the coals in the ground game or blowing coverages downfield to where it completely throws our gameplan off balance.
Cheers! It's Saturday! You better be back to your usual hypeman self here in the next few months playboy!!!
(04-30-2022, 10:17 AM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]Taylor moving inside to guard should mean that he won’t have to jump the snap count on nearly every play.
I think it's a dream come true for him and this team. He should be a damn good mauler playing inside instead of outside.
unforttanttly none of the WRS jags sighned in offseason are a go to WR. The way my dad is talking its to late to get a good WR. I'm going to see how players do on field first. theres one thing i don't understand though. I talked last season at end of the year about how Balke is a clown,and all that,dad gets upset with me,and tells me to support my team,yet when he puts the jags down its ok for him to do so.maybe cause hes not a jags fan,and jags did beat the raiders in last game played in Oakland. I wonder if he has hard feelings about that game,and doesn't want to menttion it. Espaissley since hes more of a raiders then jags fan.
(04-30-2022, 10:35 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2022, 10:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a dream come true for him and this team. He should be a damn good mauler playing inside instead of outside.
I asked this earlier and no one could tell me, but when have you actually seen Taylor maul? He has traits that suggest he should be able to, but he plays soft and does not have a mauler mindset. He blocks just as long as he needs to and never finishes a guy off after he has won the rep.
Playing tackle Vs. guard are two completely different things. For starters, he's playing on his feet and more upright. This requires him to have more finesse than actual power involved. I think he's got potential to be a lot better inside at guard. He has the right size for it. This is essentially his last shot at show casing any real talent that he has. Whether it nets him a nice contract here or elsewhere squarely falls back on him.
As far as mauling goes, depends on your definition of what that is. Is he the guy that picks you up and escorts you over into the nearest gatorade jug on the sideline? No. Can he get his hands inside and drive you back? Sure. He's been flagged a [BLEEP] ton for it at RT, LOL. I think he'll get away with more playing with his head down and driving up from his base with his hands.
I could see his big [BLEEP] kicking out better than expected on running plays and getting a linebacker down to lead the way.
You're a downer bro. I swear...
(04-30-2022, 03:42 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 11:34 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]I mean in the modern NFL you play 3 wide receivers as a base. Kirk is great, Marvin Jones is near the end of his career and needs to be replaced. Laviska Shenault is an enigma & we signed Zay Jones who's solid but not spectacular. I can easily see adding a guy to seamlessly take over for MJJ opposite Kirk. It depends on how they feel about the talent available outside of the first round; obviously there was a steep dropoff which is why they were so aggressive in free agency imho.
They aren't interested in replacing Marvin Jones yet. He was our best receiver. Shenault had a sophomore slump and is too talented to be given up on yet. Then you have Agnew and Treadwell who both developed nicely as the season progressed.
They obvious like Zay and expect more out of him than just solid. Don't confuse your opinion of a guy with that of the front office. They didn't give him that kind of contract with the intention of turning around and drafting his replacement.
They made their investment in the WRs in FA and obviously feel settled at that position going into the season.
If some of the receivers struggle this season, then next draft a WR would be a realistic option in the top part of the draft, but it makes no sense this year.
People seem to think drafting a WR in the top part of the draft is an automatic improvement, but that is just a fallacy. There will be multiple receivers taken early this year that won't pan out.
MJJ has 1 maybe 2 good years left. Shenault is an enigma, he has the talent & athletic traits but hasn't developed at all really. Laquon Treadwell caught the ball which stood out amidst the sea of drops that was our WR corps. Agnew is an explosive player but is best for the return game and packages to get him the ball in space or take the top off a defense. There was nothing special about our WR's last year and I wouldn't feel confident in any of them, it's such a low bar to clear. Drafting a receiver early would've almost guaranteed improved play at the position bc it was very difficult for our receivers to play any worse lol.
They only gave Zay Jones 8 million per year. That's not exactly a big spend, it's less than half of what Kirk got; I think Zay was signed for vet presence, blocking, height as a redzone threat and he appears to have solid hands. "Don't confuse your opinion of a guy with the front offices" .... Weird flex but Ok?!? I like Zay Jones as much as the next guy but I don't think this Front Office is exactly filled with Savants that know far more than everybody else. I'll believe it when i see it, bc despite a 2nd round pedigree he's had 350+ yards exactly ONCE; what do Baalke and co. see that myself and other fans don't???? I hope he has 1k and 10 TD's but there's just not a precedent for that based on his past play.
I think the idea was to put veterans in the room to give a steady presence to Lawrence that actually catch the ball; and have experience to share with Laviska and the younger guys. They got a lot of good workers/grinders who will set the tone for the receiver room and putting the work in. Once Trevor gets experience I think they'll get younger players to develop along with him. The value wasn't there in this draft so they filled other holes and added talent on the Line and the D.
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