(04-30-2022, 04:52 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2022, 04:33 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I think they plan to stay in a 34. That's what I got from watching the recent press conference. I could be wrong though.
I think the Devin Lloyd pick really makes a ton of sense if we remain in a 3-4. He's a better pass rusher than Chaisson, he could play ILB or OLB because he's also a very good coverage guy. The question tho is, do you put Walker as a DE or an OLB in a 3-4? Or do you rotate him around as well with Lloyd? I feel a 4-3 may be easier for the rookies to learn their positions this year but if they can get ahold of the 3-4 scheme it could be dynamic. I just wonder how they use Lloyd and Walker. Muma and Foye are both too good to just be depth players imo.
When they picked Muma, I started to wonder the same about long-term prospect at either formation. I don't think any of our NT are Vince Wilfork or Jerry Ball types that are 3-4 exclusive; The way we darfted this year really opens the door to either fluid formation or a re-brand back to 4-3 depending on how the next year or two progress. Not suggesting that we're heading that way, but it's good to have options.
But hoo boy I could imagine them lining Walker at end and Lloyd at OLB on the passing downs and that pass rush could wreak havoc. Just so long as we're not trying that garbage Gus brought with him I'm fine with what they're doing.
This D is gonna be fun
I'm surprised Bullseye is the only one that I've seen mention this, but teams that run a 3-4 typically have more linebackers on their team than any other position. Doubling down at the LB position tells me that they are committed to that scheme.
(05-02-2022, 04:25 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised Bullseye is the only one that I've seen mention this, but teams that run a 3-4 typically have more linebackers on their team than any other position. Doubling down at the LB position tells me that they are committed to that scheme.
Well he's not wrong in the sense that 3-4 teams have more "linebackers" but that's because in a 3-4 you have 4 LBers on the field in base formation, while in a 4-3 you have 3. So while technically yeah, you have more LBers on the roster it's because you essentially are replacing one D line spot on the depth chart with OLB's. But the reason this was interesting to me was because of the two LBers that we selected. Lloyd and Muma can both play ILB, Muma almost exclusively is a ILB and so is oluakon. Devin Lloyd imo is probably a better player at ILB than both the above mentioned guys, but also has pass rush ability.
Random question. Did Bowles ever use a Bear front (5-2) or I guess a make shift Over?
Is that something the Jags have personnel to add some variety on early downs and to contain the run but still have 7 in coverage with 2 rangy LB's?
(05-02-2022, 04:25 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised Bullseye is the only one that I've seen mention this, but teams that run a 3-4 typically have more linebackers on their team than any other position. Doubling down at the LB position tells me that they are committed to that scheme.
I'm also surprised few have mentioned their size/physicality dimension to their selection.
I posed this question in another thread, but it bears reoeating here.
Who would you rather have trying to stop Derrick Henry or Jonathan Taylor? A smart athletic 215 lbs Oluakun, or a couple of smart, athletic, 240 lb linebackers in Loyd and Muma?
Give me Lloyd and Muma. Don't get me wrong. i like what I've seen out of Oluakun. But I like what I've seen from Lloyd and Muma more.
As long as we are running a 3-4, I think this current group of Allen, Lloyd, Muma and Walker will prove to be the best LBs in team history.
(05-02-2022, 08:36 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 04:25 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised Bullseye is the only one that I've seen mention this, but teams that run a 3-4 typically have more linebackers on their team than any other position. Doubling down at the LB position tells me that they are committed to that scheme.
Well he's not wrong in the sense that 3-4 teams have more "linebackers" but that's because in a 3-4 you have 4 LBers on the field in base formation, while in a 4-3 you have 3. So while technically yeah, you have more LBers on the roster it's because you essentially are replacing one D line spot on the depth chart with OLB's. But the reason this was interesting to me was because of the two LBers that we selected. Lloyd and Muma can both play ILB, Muma almost exclusively is a ILB and so is oluakon. Devin Lloyd imo is probably a better player at ILB than both the above mentioned guys, but also has pass rush ability.
(emphasis added)
Think about it.
The last couple of years we had Joe Schoebert inside, who could get guys lined up, but wasn't particularly strong against the run or the pass. Pittsburgh traded for him then quickly got rid of him. We also had Myles Jack, who was athletic as hell, but otherwise not a good fit inside. He couldn't communicate to the rest of the defense to get them lined up, and had too many games over too many seasons where his production did not match his athletic ability. Finally we had Damien Wilson, we got off the waiver wire. His strength was run defense, but was very limited athletically, and as it turns out, he may hav been a character issue guy. Lloyd and Muma;s combination of size, athleticism, and instincts for the game surpasses all three of those guys. Oluakun is the same way, only he doesn't have the size you'd want in a ILB.
I applaud the decision to draft both Lloyd and Muma under the cirumstances. This looks more like a 3-4 LB corps is supposed to look.
(05-02-2022, 08:58 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Random question. Did Bowles ever use a Bear front (5-2) or I guess a make shift Over?
Is that something the Jags have personnel to add some variety on early downs and to contain the run but still have 7 in coverage with 2 rangy LB's?
To be honest, I have no clue.
It wouldn't surprise me if he did, though. From what I've heard/seen about him, he utilized a lot of looks and blitz combinations. It wouldn't surprise me if Caldwell shares that philosophy, given the investment at LB.
(05-02-2022, 09:38 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 04:25 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised Bullseye is the only one that I've seen mention this, but teams that run a 3-4 typically have more linebackers on their team than any other position. Doubling down at the LB position tells me that they are committed to that scheme.
I'm also surprised few have mentioned their size/physicality dimension to their selection.
I posed this question in another thread, but it bears reoeating here.
Who would you rather have trying to stop Derrick Henry or Jonathan Taylor? A smart athletic 215 lbs Oluakun, or a couple of smart, athletic, 240 lb linebackers in Loyd and Muma?
Give me Lloyd and Muma. Don't get me wrong. i like what I've seen out of Oluakun. But I like what I've seen from Lloyd and Muma more.
As long as we are running a 3-4, I think this current group of Allen, Lloyd, Muma and Walker will prove to be the best LBs in team history.
I would rather play the rookie.
Laurie F has good takes on the potential alignment when in 3-4 and when in 4-3 based on the looks Caldwell ran in Tampa under Bowles
https://twitter.com/LaurieFitzptrck/stat...uoVah2T6vw
Including Lloyd lining up at times as a SS
Only change I might make is RRH (#95 ) in the middle on 4-3. They have a few options there depending on intent.