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Honestly, I am open to moving the age of adulthood to 21, but it needs to be a blanket change. No voting, drinking, smoking, or purchasing firearms.

(06-05-2022, 07:49 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-05-2022, 07:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Uvalde shooter was under 21.  Moving the age would have helped in this one case.  Also with the Parkland case.

I'm aware.  I don't think you read my whole post by the look of things.

I agree that semi auto pistols are almost as lethal as semi auto rifle.  The VA tech shooting showed that. I think the law should treat all semi automatic weapons the same.  They should all be for ages 21 and up only.

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(06-05-2022, 07:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I am open to moving the age of adulthood to 21, but it needs to be a blanket change. No voting, drinking, smoking, or purchasing firearms.

I'm opposed to drafting people who can't vote.  Those two things should stay at 18.  But I'm flexible on all the other aspects of adulthood, between 18 and 21.

Tell this woman she didn't need a gun.......

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(06-05-2022, 07:16 PM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2022, 05:17 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

I guess you don't see the irony of your signature in this discussion.

I guess you don't understand that Ronster and I are both in favor of making policy changes that would make a great difference to this problem. I guess you also don't understand that you wouldn't be in favor of any of them.

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(06-05-2022, 08:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-05-2022, 07:49 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I'm aware.  I don't think you read my whole post by the look of things.

I agree that semi auto pistols are almost as lethal as semi auto rifle.  The VA tech shooting showed that. I think the law should treat all semi automatic weapons the same.  They should all be for ages 21 and up only.

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(06-05-2022, 07:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I am open to moving the age of adulthood to 21, but it needs to be a blanket change. No voting, drinking, smoking, or purchasing firearms.

I'm opposed to drafting people who can't vote.  Those two things should stay at 18.  But I'm flexible on all the other aspects of adulthood, between 18 and 21.

That you can be forced to die for your Country while that Country refuses you the rights of adulthood might be the dumbest thing you've ever supported.

(06-05-2022, 09:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-05-2022, 07:16 PM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you don't see the irony of your signature in this discussion.

I guess you don't understand that Ronster and I are both in favor of making policy changes that would make a great difference to this problem. I guess you also don't understand that you wouldn't be in favor of any of them.

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(06-05-2022, 08:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that semi auto pistols are almost as lethal as semi auto rifle.  The VA tech shooting showed that. I think the law should treat all semi automatic weapons the same.  They should all be for ages 21 and up only.

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I'm opposed to drafting people who can't vote.  Those two things should stay at 18.  But I'm flexible on all the other aspects of adulthood, between 18 and 21.

That you can be forced to die for your Country while that Country refuses you the rights of adulthood might be the dumbest thing you've ever supported.

You already said you're in favor of very harsh penalties for people found to still have guns when they shouldn't have them due to a previous conviction. The mass shootings we've seen though, the ones with more than 5 dead, almost all of them are done by people who were never convicted of anything. So no, it would not help. It might help reduce deaths at these gangland and domestic shootings that are more common, but, frankly we have already tried imprisoning our way out of those problems. We imprison a larger share of our population than any other country. Imprisoning more people is not the answer to anything as far as I'm concerned.

As for raising the age for certain things to 21, there can be exceptions for people who are actually drafted and serving.

(06-05-2022, 07:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I am open to moving the age of adulthood to 21, but it needs to be a blanket change. No voting, drinking, smoking, or purchasing firearms.

Then they better move the age a person goes into the military to 21. And move the selective service age to 21. If they are old enough to serve they're old enough to vote.

That was a given in my premise. The age of adulthood just needs to go up to 21 if that's what we're going do. That includes being drafted and military service. We have extended adolescence, anyways.

(06-05-2022, 09:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-05-2022, 09:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you don't understand that Ronster and I are both in favor of making policy changes that would make a great difference to this problem. I guess you also don't understand that you wouldn't be in favor of any of them.

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That you can be forced to die for your Country while that Country refuses you the rights of adulthood might be the dumbest thing you've ever supported.

You already said you're in favor of very harsh penalties for people found to still have guns when they shouldn't have them due to a previous conviction. The mass shootings we've seen though, the ones with more than 5 dead, almost all of them are done by people who were never convicted of anything. So no, it would not help. It might help reduce deaths at these gangland and domestic shootings that are more common, but, frankly we have already tried imprisoning our way out of those problems. We imprison a larger share of our population than any other country. Imprisoning more people is not the answer to anything as far as I'm concerned.

As for raising the age for certain things to 21, there can be exceptions for people who are actually drafted and serving.

The larger shootings continue to be done by people that are open to suggestions and more and more evidence is linking the gov to them.

The main issue with solving gun crimes is you can't trust the people in power.

Where are criminals getting guns from? The last one in Philadelphia they dropped 2 guns at the scene. Criminals are able to get guns that are one and done, so obviously they don't have a supply issue. There are a lot of stolen guns or private sales. It would be beneficial to track down who is selling the guns to the criminals but that then opens up the legal gun owners to the evilness of the people in power. A list would be a great way to do that but then they would use that as a way to come get everyone's guns.


Committing a crime with a gun should be the end of life either way. Either the police take you out or the prison does. It's obvious that criminals don't fear the consequences of using illegal guns, so laws need to be enforced or added.

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I'll ask again, Who needs an AR-15? She does........

Pregnant Woman Used AR-15 to Drop Armed Robber Attacking Her 11-Year-Old Daughter

As Democrats rabidly push for more “gun control” amid the terrifying crime waves ignited by their soft-on-crime policies, there are daily reminders of why our Second Amendment right to self-defense must never be infringed.

https://www.westernjournal.com/pregnant-...u04y55kojM

It's not the type of weapon, it's who is behind it......

(06-06-2022, 10:29 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]I'll ask again, Who needs an AR-15? She does........

Pregnant Woman Used AR-15 to Drop Armed Robber Attacking Her 11-Year-Old Daughter

As Democrats rabidly push for more “gun control” amid the terrifying crime waves ignited by their soft-on-crime policies, there are daily reminders of why our Second Amendment right to self-defense must never be infringed.

https://www.westernjournal.com/pregnant-...u04y55kojM

It's not the type of weapon, it's who is behind it......

I remember that incident.  She was lucky they had that gun and that she knew how to use it.
But as a practical matter, a 2 shot 12 gauge would have had the same effect.  In fact he might not have made it to the ditch outside in that case.

(06-06-2022, 10:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 10:29 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]I'll ask again, Who needs an AR-15? She does........

Pregnant Woman Used AR-15 to Drop Armed Robber Attacking Her 11-Year-Old Daughter

As Democrats rabidly push for more “gun control” amid the terrifying crime waves ignited by their soft-on-crime policies, there are daily reminders of why our Second Amendment right to self-defense must never be infringed.

https://www.westernjournal.com/pregnant-...u04y55kojM

It's not the type of weapon, it's who is behind it......

I remember that incident.  She was lucky they had that gun and that she knew how to use it.
But as a practical matter, a 2 shot 12 gauge would have had the same effect.  In fact he might not have made it to the ditch outside in that case.

And if the attackers were 3 people and not 1 then she's [BLEEP].

(06-06-2022, 12:21 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]That was a given in my premise. The age of adulthood just needs to go up to 21 if that's what we're going do. That includes being drafted and military service. We have extended adolescence, anyways.

Mandatory birth control until legally married would do more to solve this problem than moving any of those other things to 21. Not saying we should go that way, but it would solve the biggest problem in our society which isn't something moving the age of adulthood higher would actually do.

(06-06-2022, 11:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 10:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I remember that incident.  She was lucky they had that gun and that she knew how to use it.
But as a practical matter, a 2 shot 12 gauge would have had the same effect.  In fact he might not have made it to the ditch outside in that case.

And if the attackers were 3 people and not 1 then she's [BLEEP].

Soldiers might play the odds and self sacrifice like that, but burglars don't.  Rack that thing once and all three start running.  Get a shot off at one of them, the other two won't hang around to find out who's next.

(06-06-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 11:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And if the attackers were 3 people and not 1 then she's [BLEEP].

Soldiers might play the odds and self sacrifice like that, but burglars don't.  Rack that thing once and all three start running.  Get a shot off at one of them, the other two won't hang around to find out who's next.

Oh, I forgot you're an expert on criminal psychology as well.

(06-06-2022, 11:35 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Soldiers might play the odds and self sacrifice like that, but burglars don't.  Rack that thing once and all three start running.  Get a shot off at one of them, the other two won't hang around to find out who's next.

Oh, I forgot you're an expert on criminal psychology as well.

The sarcasm isn't necessary.  If you think I'm wrong, explain why.

(06-06-2022, 12:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 11:35 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I forgot you're an expert on criminal psychology as well.

The sarcasm isn't necessary.  If you think I'm wrong, explain why.

I think you're wrong because overpreparation in self defense is better than under preparation. Hoping that a group of assailants will run from your single shot or two shell shotgun is not a strategy, it's naiveté.

(06-06-2022, 02:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 12:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The sarcasm isn't necessary.  If you think I'm wrong, explain why.

I think you're wrong because overpreparation in self defense is better than under preparation. Hoping that a group of assailants will run from your single shot or two shell shotgun is not a strategy, it's naiveté.

"Never insult seven men when all you're packing is a six shooter" - Zane Grey

(06-06-2022, 02:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 12:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The sarcasm isn't necessary.  If you think I'm wrong, explain why.

I think you're wrong because overpreparation in self defense is better than under preparation. Hoping that a group of assailants will run from your single shot or two shell shotgun is not a strategy, it's naiveté.

Some people are always going to prepare as much as it is legally possible to prepare.  That's fine.  But this is a discussion of what should be legally possible.  If more was legally possible, you'd do more.  If less, less.

(06-06-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2022, 11:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And if the attackers were 3 people and not 1 then she's [BLEEP].

Soldiers might play the odds and self sacrifice like that, but burglars don't.  Rack that thing once and all three start running.  Get a shot off at one of them, the other two won't hang around to find out who's next.

If you want to learn something about guns, try shooting a few, rather than just watching a movie and believing what you see is real.  

1)  There isn't a 2-shot, pump shotgun made on this planet.
2)  You chamber a round before the encounter begins.  It's cheaper than a life insurance policy and much more effective.
3)  A fleeing burglar no longer poses an immediate threat to your safety.  Shoot one who is running away and you'll be the one who ends up in jail.