Quote:If Watson falls to the second round I think you consider taking him. But other than that I think you see whats there in the 3rd round. I don't think a QB pick is guaranteed in this draft. Bortles will start as the starting QB in 2017 and will be is final chance to prove he can start in this league.
The draft isn't deep enough to wait until the 3rd
Dak Prescott went in the 4th. I doubt the Cowboy expected he was going to do what he did last year. There is always a diamond out there. Its all about finding it.
Quote:The draft isn't deep enough to wait until the 3rd
Probably not... My gut says Peterman will be a top 60 pick, and the Jaguars are sitting on the outside of that at #68. Webb, Peterman and probably Kaaya as well
(I see the Bears taking him at #67)
are likely off the board by #68. The next guys on the list appear to be Evans and Cobb, but I don't see them going prior to round four.
Fournette
Dawkins
Peterman
Offensive tackle
I'll take it.
Give Bortles this year. Next year will be much better choices for quarterback. None this year are any better than Bortles was last year.
Quote:Give Bortles this year. Next year will be much better choices for quarterback. None this year are any better than Bortles was last year.
Besides maybe darnold, who is there?
Quote:Let's start by taking a look at what the Jaguars have done at QB. So far they've brought in three... Mahomes, Watson and Peterman. Mahomes and Watson were brought in for a private visit, but Peterman they've done a lot of work on. They first talked to Peterman at the combine, and he was the only QB they reportedly talked to at the combine. They later brought him in for a workout... and then most recently they brought him in for an official private interview. I have to think they really like him.
WIth this in mind, let me sort of target where the QBs are going...
Trubisky is going early to either the Jets or Bills if the Browns don't draft him #1 or make a move up from #12 to get him. Mahomes is next to go as several teams are looking at him. The Texans and Saints really want Mahomes, but they'd have to make a significant move up to get him as the Cards appear ready to draft him at #13. In a trade down to the #8 to #12 range, Mahomes suddenly makes a lot of sense. Even if he gets past the Cards, there's talk of a few teams ready to move up to the teens to get him.
For those who miss out on Mahomes but want a QB it's all a matter of just how far Kizer and Watson will slide. The three teams who really appear eager to get one of these two are the Texans, Cheifs and Saints, although you never know who else might be in the mix as the Redskins, Giants and Chargers have also looked at multiple qbs... plus you have top the 49ers, Bears, Jaguars and Jets at the top of round three all capable and possibly willing to trade up for a Kizer or Watson. The Bears in particular have their eye on Kizer. The Chiefs would love to get either Watson or Kizer. The 49ers are looking very intently at Watson as are the Jaguars.
With all this in mind, I'd say you realistically have to get in front of the Texans for a legit shot at Watson. ...or Mahomes should he fall further than I'm thinking. I'm thinking the Dolphins might be open to a trade since they don't have any real glaring needs, although I'm guessing the 49ers and Bears are more likely to make this move. I really don't see any way a top four qb is escaping round one. If any of the four end up when the Chiefs are up, I'm convinced the Chiefs take him... and the Saints should they not trade up... are just praying the Chiefs for some reason do pass.
Having said all that, the real target appears to be Nate Peterman.
Peterman should be on the board when the Jaguars pick in round two unless the 49ers take him, although the 49ers appear to be scouting Davis Webb more intently. Should the 49ers stay put and go QB at #34, it's probably for Webb.
The question then becomes, can we wait until round three with our #68 pick? Now, it's possible. In nfl.com six round mock, I selected Peterman as an available player in round three. So it can happen, but I don't think it's likely. One team to watch closely is the Bills at #44 who have scouted him just as heavily as the Jaguars. Should the Bills get Trubisky in round one, then it's safe to say they won't be going Peterman in round two. ...but otherwise I'm convinced the Bills take Peterman at #44.
Other teams who might want Peterman include...
- the Chiefs who hold the #27 and #59 picks. They're probably thinking Watson or Kizer at #27, but if not try for Peterman at #59.
- The Bears with the #36 and #67 picks talked to Peterman at the senior bowl and again at the combine, however, they brought in Kaaya for a personal visit making me think they might take him over Peterman.
- the Jets with their #39 pick might be in play should they not get Trubisky round one
- the Eagles at #43 worked out Peterman and might want him as insurance behind Wentz.
- The Steelers at #62 are looking at Peterman.
- Finally, the Patriots may want Peterman at #72 having scouted him as well. Would they trade up?
I just don't think he makes it all the way to #68, but I have to think they take him if he's there and I just don't know that they're ready to draft him at #35... they might though. And for that matter they probably would need to get him at #35 if they are going to get him.
There are a bunch of rumors that Chicago could take Watson at three. So at 4 would have tons of trade offers. If that was the case to jump above Jets.
The Jets? The Jets want nothing to do with Watson. If they take a QB, it's gonna be Trubisky. They really like Trubisky.
I'll guarantee Watson is not drafted in the top nine picks, and I doubt he goes #10. The Bills, from what I'm seeing, only want Trubisky, and if they can't get him they'll try for Peterman at #44. The Saints at #11 would want Mahomes over Trubiskly but are probably taking McCaffery at the spot before trying to trade back up for Mahomes, so the best realistic chance for Watson would be the Browns at #12 or the Cards at #13.
I'm not in favour of picking a QB, because to get anyone worth the risk, we would have to use a first or second round pick - and that's a major investment for a player who may sit on the bench if Bortles works out.
There is an argument that this roster is looking pretty good and that with an average QB (instead of one who makes game-crushing mistakes) we would get a good number of wins. And so drafting someone like Watson, Mahomes or Kizer would be a move which could make sense.
But I think any one of the QBs this year would be just as big a risk as playing Bortles, if not bigger.
Quote:Besides maybe darnold, who is there?
How about, Josh Rosen, Mason Rudolph, Josh Evans, Luke Falk, Baker Mayfield, Jake Browning.
Can't say they'll all be brilliant, but it's a more attractive group than the QBs around this year.
Quote:How about, Josh Rosen, Mason Rudolph, Josh Evans, Luke Falk, Baker Mayfield, Jake Browning.
Can't say they'll all be brilliant, but it's a more attractive group than the QBs around this year.
How do we know that though. Last year people were mocking kaaya as a top 10 guy after the draft. Until they're pricked and proded once they start to the draft process we don't know how they'll translate. Also if we wait and Bortles is a bust we have to start the process all over again, and forcing a young QB in or starting a free agent QB. We need to stay ahead of the 8 ball and get a guy this year.
Quote:How do we know that though. Last year people were mocking kaaya as a top 10 guy after the draft. Until they're pricked and proded once they start to the draft process we don't know how they'll translate. Also if we wait and Bortles is a bust we have to start the process all over again, and forcing a young QB in or starting a free agent QB. We need to stay ahead of the 8 ball and get a guy this year.
You're absolutely right, we don't know. But all the indications have been that as a group there is more talent there than the QBs this year, so there is a good chance some will work out.
And yes, bringing in a new QB could involve dropping him in at the deep end, but there are plenty of examples of good players who hit the ground running and don't need to sit on the bench for a season.
Quote:Let's start by taking a look at what the Jaguars have done at QB. So far they've brought in three... Mahomes, Watson and Peterman. Mahomes and Watson were brought in for a private visit, but Peterman they've done a lot of work on. They first talked to Peterman at the combine, and he was the only QB they reportedly talked to at the combine. They later brought him in for a workout... and then most recently they brought him in for an official private interview. I have to think they really like him.
WIth this in mind, let me sort of target where the QBs are going...
Trubisky is going early to either the Jets or Bills if the Browns don't draft him #1 or make a move up from #12 to get him. Mahomes is next to go as several teams are looking at him. The Texans and Saints really want Mahomes, but they'd have to make a significant move up to get him as the Cards appear ready to draft him at #13. In a trade down to the #8 to #12 range, Mahomes suddenly makes a lot of sense. Even if he gets past the Cards, there's talk of a few teams ready to move up to the teens to get him.
For those who miss out on Mahomes but want a QB it's all a matter of just how far Kizer and Watson will slide. The three teams who really appear eager to get one of these two are the Texans, Cheifs and Saints, although you never know who else might be in the mix as the Redskins, Giants and Chargers have also looked at multiple qbs... plus you have top the 49ers, Bears, Jaguars and Jets at the top of round three all capable and possibly willing to trade up for a Kizer or Watson. The Bears in particular have their eye on Kizer. The Chiefs would love to get either Watson or Kizer. The 49ers are looking very intently at Watson as are the Jaguars.
With all this in mind, I'd say you realistically have to get in front of the Texans for a legit shot at Watson. ...or Mahomes should he fall further than I'm thinking. I'm thinking the Dolphins might be open to a trade since they don't have any real glaring needs, although I'm guessing the 49ers and Bears are more likely to make this move. I really don't see any way a top four qb is escaping round one. If any of the four end up when the Chiefs are up, I'm convinced the Chiefs take him... and the Saints should they not trade up... are just praying the Chiefs for some reason do pass.
Having said all that, the real target appears to be Nate Peterman.
Peterman should be on the board when the Jaguars pick in round two unless the 49ers take him, although the 49ers appear to be scouting Davis Webb more intently. Should the 49ers stay put and go QB at #34, it's probably for Webb.
The question then becomes, can we wait until round three with our #68 pick? Now, it's possible. In nfl.com six round mock, I selected Peterman as an available player in round three. So it can happen, but I don't think it's likely. One team to watch closely is the Bills at #44 who have scouted him just as heavily as the Jaguars. Should the Bills get Trubisky in round one, then it's safe to say they won't be going Peterman in round two. ...but otherwise I'm convinced the Bills take Peterman at #44.
Other teams who might want Peterman include...- the Chiefs who hold the #27 and #59 picks. They're probably thinking Watson or Kizer at #27, but if not try for Peterman at #59.
- The Bears with the #36 and #67 picks talked to Peterman at the senior bowl and again at the combine, however, they brought in Kaaya for a personal visit making me think they might take him over Peterman.
- the Jets with their #39 pick might be in play should they not get Trubisky round one
- the Eagles at #43 worked out Peterman and might want him as insurance behind Wentz.
- The Steelers at #62 are looking at Peterman.
- Finally, the Patriots may want Peterman at #72 having scouted him as well. Would they trade up?
I just don't think he makes it all the way to #68, but I have to think they take him if he's there and I just don't know that they're ready to draft him at #35... they might though. And for that matter they probably would need to get him at #35 if they are going to get him.
I read all of this and I was originally opposed to QB in 2nd Rd for the most part; and I'm all in for Fournette at 4 if he's there. If he's not though, what if we did trade back with Cleveland (if the offer came about of course) and picked up their 33rd pick or 52nd pick and another later round pick. We could go Howard at 12; Mixon at 35; and Peterman at 52 (if he makes it of course, maybe flipping 35 and 52). This I could get behind. However, I cannot get behind the people picking QB at 4 or even in the 1st in general. We're just passing too much talent at more needed positions in my opinion. I like your viewpoints on this though!
Quote:I read all of this and I was originally opposed to QB in 2nd Rd for the most part; and I'm all in for Fournette at 4 if he's there. If he's not though, what if we did trade back with Cleveland (if the offer came about of course) and picked up their 33rd pick or 52nd pick and another later round pick. We could go Howard at 12; Mixon at 35; and Peterman at 52 (if he makes it of course, maybe flipping 35 and 52). This I could get behind. However, I cannot get behind the people picking QB at 4 or even in the 1st in general. We're just passing too much talent at more needed positions in my opinion. I like your viewpoints on this though!
A trade down would make sense for the Jaguars, but would the Browns trade all the way up to #4 for Trubisky? It's possible.
That said, I truly hope they don't go Mixon in round two. Some teams have the culture to absorb the controversy that surrounds him, but he'd only be a distraction for the Jaguars. I can see Mixon going to the Bengals, Raiders or Packers later in round two.
Peterman makes plenty of sense at #52 provided he gets by the Bills, but I keep thinking the Bills fail to get him round one and end up taking Peterman at #44... I just really see this happening unless the Jaguars take Peterman at #35. Knowing they have the #52 they might hope that a guy like Dawkins or Moton is there and just take Peterman at #35.
We still have Brandon Allen. If Bortles falls flat this year, we can stick in Allen and see what he can do. If he doesn't work out, the Jags are likely looking at another top 5 draft pick, in a good draft for QBs.
This year, I would prefer a defensive player with the first pick--maybe Adams at safety, or Allen at DT. Or Solomon Thomas if he's available. Then I would get Mixon in the second.
I just think all these teams lusting for QBs this year are chasing fool's gold. DeShaun Watson threw more interceptions than Bortles did last year. No thanks.
Best thing the Jags can do is pair Blake with a outstanding RB or another defensive piece to improve a top 10 defense.
Worst case scenario Blake stinks it up and Jags grab their franchise QB in 2018.
But the difference will be that hypothetically our rookie QB in 2018 will be in a great position for success with a great defense and solid running game
Best the Jags can do is pair Bortles and our RBs with a quality o-line. That should be the goal of this draft as well as some depth on defence. The last FA and drafts we addressed the offence and then the defence. We have not fully addressed the O-line since the rebuild started. Time to address it even if some have to be developed.
Quote:Best the Jags can do is pair Bortles and our RBs with a quality o-line. That should be the goal of this draft as well as some depth on defence. The last FA and drafts we addressed the offence and then the defence. We have not fully addressed the O-line since the rebuild started. Time to address it even if some have to be developed.
Bingo. We've continually missed on the limited number of picks we've spent and FA hasn't been too kind either. I posted Caldwells history a few weeks ago of draft picks and signings of OL since he took over..it's quite depressing. The offense doesn't improve until the line does (and a competent QB).