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(08-02-2022, 03:31 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 05:28 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I do not support anything "regardless of the cost."

If it's within our power to heal them then I say whatever the cost is fine. If it's not, then they should get whatever medical treatment can lessen the issue. Regardless of the cost.

When someone goes into a war theater and is injured following unnecessary orders, especially if their superiors should have known they were likely to be injured (having people tend toxic burn pits seems an obvious case of likely to injure), then they should be cared for to the best of the country's ability to do so.

You are so naive.  I guess I can understand that from a liberal that never served.  Regarding the part in bold, where is it documented that any service members followed "unnecessary orders"?

The other thing that you don't seem to understand is the way that government spends money.

The fact of the matter is that the bill was killed because baked into it was "unlimited" spending of money assigned to it.  Say they allocate $4B for treating service members.  They can siphon off $2B for other things not related to helping veterans.  You just don't seem to be able to comprehend that.

(08-02-2022, 04:24 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 03:31 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]If it's within our power to heal them then I say whatever the cost is fine. If it's not, then they should get whatever medical treatment can lessen the issue. Regardless of the cost.

When someone goes into a war theater and is injured following unnecessary orders, especially if their superiors should have known they were likely to be injured (having people tend toxic burn pits seems an obvious case of likely to injure), then they should be cared for to the best of the country's ability to do so.

You are so naive.  I guess I can understand that from a liberal that never served.  Regarding the part in bold, where is it documented that any service members followed "unnecessary orders"?

The other thing that you don't seem to understand is the way that government spends money.

The fact of the matter is that the bill was killed because baked into it was "unlimited" spending of money assigned to it.  Say they allocate $4B for treating service members.  They can siphon off $2B for other things not related to helping veterans.  You just don't seem to be able to comprehend that.

If you think the burn pits were necessary then we can just stop right there.

I’ll bite..

I know this is supposed to be about how bad the Republicans are with our military. But can I ask when did the democrats ever care? Serious question. All my life they never gave a crap about the military, African Americans, or anything but themselves. What’s changed?

(08-02-2022, 06:56 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll bite..

I know this is supposed to be about how bad the Republicans are with our military.  But can I ask when did the democrats ever care?  Serious question.  All my life they never gave a crap about the military, African Americans, or anything but themselves.  What’s changed?

If you want to complain about how much Democrats hate veterans maybe you should make another thread, this one is about how much Republicans love veterans.

(08-02-2022, 07:56 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 06:56 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll bite..

I know this is supposed to be about how bad the Republicans are with our military.  But can I ask when did the democrats ever care?  Serious question.  All my life they never gave a crap about the military, African Americans, or anything but themselves.  What’s changed?

If you want to complain about how much Democrats hate veterans maybe you should make another thread, this one is about how much Republicans love veterans.

You’re either made of spare parts or just plain ignorant.  I know it’s not original, but yet again, your user name is fitting.  Perhaps you should changed it to “never”.  I sure the hell hope you’re 12.  That would explain a lot.  It would also help me and others sleep at night knowing people aren’t really that stupid.

So now the Senate has passed the bill without any changes.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/...index.html

Were the Republicans wrong all along in the reasons they said they wouldn't vote for it and finally realized the truth, or did they vote to pass a bad bill?

(08-02-2022, 09:43 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]So now the Senate has passed the bill without any changes.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/...index.html

Were the Republicans wrong all along in the reasons they said they wouldn't vote for it and finally realized the truth, or did they vote to pass a bad bill?

The Republicans got a concession about a future bill or about amendments to a future bill.  These guys have layers upon layers of SOP that is too esoteric for us.

However the speculation by some in this thread that this was about the amount of money for helping those affected by burn pits, or about limits to that amount, were obviously wrong.  It's about what I said it was about.  Other bills, and the procedures for passing them.

(08-02-2022, 05:17 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 04:24 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]You are so naive.  I guess I can understand that from a liberal that never served.  Regarding the part in bold, where is it documented that any service members followed "unnecessary orders"?

The other thing that you don't seem to understand is the way that government spends money.

The fact of the matter is that the bill was killed because baked into it was "unlimited" spending of money assigned to it.  Say they allocate $4B for treating service members.  They can siphon off $2B for other things not related to helping veterans.  You just don't seem to be able to comprehend that.

If you think the burn pits were necessary then we can just stop right there.

We're you in Afghanistan or Iraq? No, you weren't so don't speak of things you don't know.

(08-02-2022, 10:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 09:43 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]So now the Senate has passed the bill without any changes.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/...index.html

Were the Republicans wrong all along in the reasons they said they wouldn't vote for it and finally realized the truth, or did they vote to pass a bad bill?

The Republicans got a concession about a future bill or about amendments to a future bill.  These guys have layers upon layers of SOP that is too esoteric for us.

However the speculation by some in this thread that this was about the amount of money for helping those affected by burn pits, or about limits to that amount, were obviously wrong.  It's about what I said it was about.  Other bills, and the procedures for passing them.

Did you even read the summary or the bill? It was exactly about treating troops affected by toxic burn pits as well as Vietnam vets affected by Agent Orange. There was also a bunch of language in it about money for medical treatment facilities and research and the VHA. 

Feel free to show us in the bill or the summary that it was not about treating troops but about passing other bills.

(08-02-2022, 10:30 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 05:17 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]If you think the burn pits were necessary then we can just stop right there.

We're you in Afghanistan or Iraq? No, you weren't so don't speak of things you don't know.

Spare us.

So was the bill actually good and the Republicans didn't understand that until now even though they passed the same bill in June? Or was this a case of the bill being bad like they said but they passed it anyway for some reason?

Which of those possibilities would be worse?

(08-02-2022, 10:36 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 10:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Republicans got a concession about a future bill or about amendments to a future bill.  These guys have layers upon layers of SOP that is too esoteric for us.

However the speculation by some in this thread that this was about the amount of money for helping those affected by burn pits, or about limits to that amount, were obviously wrong.  It's about what I said it was about.  Other bills, and the procedures for passing them.

Did you even read the summary or the bill? It was exactly about treating troops affected by toxic burn pits as well as Vietnam vets affected by Agent Orange. There was also a bunch of language in it about money for medical treatment facilities and research and the VHA. 

Feel free to show us in the bill or the summary that it was not about treating troops but about passing other bills.

Sorry, missing antecedent above.
When I wrote "this was about", "this" was the temporary opposition to the bill by Republicans.  Not the bill itself.

(08-03-2022, 06:23 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 10:30 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]We're you in Afghanistan or Iraq? No, you weren't so don't speak of things you don't know.

Spare us.

So was the bill actually good and the Republicans didn't understand that until now even though they passed the same bill in June? Or was this a case of the bill being bad like they said but they passed it anyway for some reason?

Which of those possibilities would be worse?

Not everything is black and white good and bad.  I would argue from a taxpayer perspective, it was a mostly good bill with good intent with a bad piece to it that they eventually accepted so that they can later add a bad piece to a different bill.  It's all political posturing that both sides do in order to get what they want, which is reelection.  As long as they do what they think they need to do to stay elected then it's all good to them.

(08-03-2022, 06:23 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-02-2022, 10:30 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]We're you in Afghanistan or Iraq? No, you weren't so don't speak of things you don't know.

Spare us.

So was the bill actually good and the Republicans didn't understand that until now even though they passed the same bill in June? Or was this a case of the bill being bad like they said but they passed it anyway for some reason?

Which of those possibilities would be worse?

Spare you what exactly? You don't know [BLEEP] about what the armed forces went through over there so don't talk about what you think. 

At this point I believe the whole thing is/was a Charlie Foxtrot and being used by both sides to be divisive. It is an election year after all.