It’s a crazy world when liberals come out in support of Darth Vader, Dick I even shoot friends my friends in the back Cheney? The left HATED this man. Did Dick Cheney suddenly change as a person and is now on their side philosophically? Noooooo
He hates Trump, and Trump must not be allowed to disrupt their mutual dynastic hold over this country.
“Why do the Cheneys hate Trump so? What’s the point of this animosity? Why are they willing to throw in with the Democrats to act like this? The answer is a simple one.
As Greenwald observes, Trump came in fighting the neocons, calling out the Bush/Cheney worldview and Jeb!, who the Republicans wanted to win in 2016. He came in talking about wanting to end foreign wars and the things that sustain the security state.”
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/08/...ch-n608013
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/15...J0qKmkHy_g
Democrats have not embraced the neoconservative point of view. No one embraces that anymore. A neocon would have wanted us to stay in Afghanistan until it was a stable democracy and its neighbors were stable democracies. That viewpoint is discredited and dead now. It's why our touch in Syria and Iraq from 2011 onward was much lighter than what we did to Iraq in 2003.
I don't know if Liz Cheney or Dick Cheney are still committed to the neocon program themselves. I doubt it. I don't think they had any big disagreement with Trump's military choices. The Democrats didn't either.
Personally I feel completely lost in this political environment. I've long disagreed with the Romney, McCain, Bush doctrine of big givernment big intervention. At the same time im completely over trump and don't want him representing the party at all. I can say no to the neo-cons but at the same time say no the trump so who's left? Best hope is desantis but trumps cult is strong don't know if he breaks past that.
(08-07-2022, 05:29 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I feel completely lost in this political environment. I've long disagreed with the Romney, McCain, Bush doctrine of big givernment big intervention. At the same time im completely over trump and don't want him representing the party at all. I can say no to the neo-cons but at the same time say no the trump so who's left? Best hope is desantis but trumps cult is strong don't know if he breaks past that.
Go read about the Bush family history, you may start putting 2 and 2 together. The swamp is very deep on both sides. McCain is the same but less bad.
There really are very few people in the government I would ever trust to have the people's back. Once you figure that out, then you can start looking at what Trump wanted to do and said should be next to cut the size of federal employment greatly. Now he hired too many swamp members so very little got done unfortunately.
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(08-08-2022, 01:03 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2022, 05:29 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I feel completely lost in this political environment. I've long disagreed with the Romney, McCain, Bush doctrine of big givernment big intervention. At the same time im completely over trump and don't want him representing the party at all. I can say no to the neo-cons but at the same time say no the trump so who's left? Best hope is desantis but trumps cult is strong don't know if he breaks past that.
Go read about the Bush family history, you may start putting 2 and 2 together. The swamp is very deep on both sides. McCain is the same but less bad.
There really are very few people in the government I would ever trust to have the people's back. Once you figure that out, then you can start looking at what Trump wanted to do and said should be next to cut the size of federal employment greatly. Now he hired too many swamp members so very little got done unfortunately.
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Very aware of the Bush history don't support them at all. What trump says and does are two different things. Trump talks about small government but before covid he spent more then bush and Obama. During the covid he set the precedent the federal government has the power to shut down private commerce and then subsidized it with wealth redistribution calling it stimulus. Trump did nothing to change the ACA didn't prosecute Hillary didn't address immigration hell I challenge Amy conservative to show me one way trump reduced federal power. The only saving grace is he appointed conservative judges but damn is that all we got?
The main problem with trump is he does not view federal power as the problem, he just thinks we need smarter people with the power. If you really step back there isn't much difference between bill Clinton and donald trumps administiion, that's a problem if your selling me trump as the great hope for the GOP
Edit: building a wall even fully is not addressing immigration, thats just dressing on a pig.
(08-08-2022, 07:41 AM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2022, 01:03 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Go read about the Bush family history, you may start putting 2 and 2 together. The swamp is very deep on both sides. McCain is the same but less bad.
There really are very few people in the government I would ever trust to have the people's back. Once you figure that out, then you can start looking at what Trump wanted to do and said should be next to cut the size of federal employment greatly. Now he hired too many swamp members so very little got done unfortunately.
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Very aware of the Bush history don't support them at all. What trump says and does are two different things. Trump talks about small government but before covid he spent more then bush and Obama. During the covid he set the precedent the federal government has the power to shut down private commerce and then subsidized it with wealth redistribution calling it stimulus. Trump did nothing to change the ACA didn't prosecute Hillary didn't address immigration hell I challenge Amy conservative to show me one way trump reduced federal power. The only saving grace is he appointed conservative judges but damn is that all we got?
The main problem with trump is he does not view federal power as the problem, he just thinks we need smarter people with the power. If you really step back there isn't much difference between bill Clinton and donald trumps administiion, that's a problem if your selling me trump as the great hope for the GOP
Edit: building a wall even fully is not addressing immigration, thats just dressing on a pig.
Unfortunately the President has little power as the legislators have the power and they wouldn't do anything. Agreed that it isn't what I wanted him to do but I also see the issues with who controls what.
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(08-08-2022, 11:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2022, 07:41 AM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Very aware of the Bush history don't support them at all. What trump says and does are two different things. Trump talks about small government but before covid he spent more then bush and Obama. During the covid he set the precedent the federal government has the power to shut down private commerce and then subsidized it with wealth redistribution calling it stimulus. Trump did nothing to change the ACA didn't prosecute Hillary didn't address immigration hell I challenge Amy conservative to show me one way trump reduced federal power. The only saving grace is he appointed conservative judges but damn is that all we got?
The main problem with trump is he does not view federal power as the problem, he just thinks we need smarter people with the power. If you really step back there isn't much difference between bill Clinton and donald trumps administiion, that's a problem if your selling me trump as the great hope for the GOP
Edit: building a wall even fully is not addressing immigration, thats just dressing on a pig.
Unfortunately the President has little power as the legislators have the power and they wouldn't do anything. Agreed that it isn't what I wanted him to do but I also see the issues with who controls what.
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The whole shutting down the economy and sending stimulus check was 100% executive power
To be fair no one knew what the hell was going on or how to handle it and the media was hard selling the story that we were all going to die if we breathed anywhere near each other. If they would have lifted everything after the initial period, two weeks IIRC, it would have been fine but Fauci, the left and the media were selling fear like fireworks on the 4th of July.
On top of all of it the left was coming at Trump nonstop over every damn thing. He definitely made it easy for them but they spent his entire presidency looking for ways to impeach him and did so, twice. I'm surprised he got anything done.
Not a fan of the man but people can't put everything on him.
The governors were the ones deciding to shut things down. But Trump did go along with doing a stimulus as a consequence of those shutdowns.
The answer to the question of why didn't Trump get more done is he didn't know how to win senate races, and didn't know how to get what he wanted out of the senators he had. Biden of course is not great at this either, but he's better than Trump, clearly. Saying "I'll veto the budget if you don't give me what I want" wasn't credible to them.
Biden’s tactic was to give a hugely ambitious and specific budget request and see where it went, how much they wanted to change it, even if they just talked about it until next year. Submit the same things again next year. This is what Clinton did over and over, and Bush too, and Obama in his first year. When Obama decided to quit that tradition, Fox News howled about it. But Trump didn't bring it back. Biden did. Maybe that was Trump's mistake. No way to really know.
(08-09-2022, 12:27 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2022, 11:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately the President has little power as the legislators have the power and they wouldn't do anything. Agreed that it isn't what I wanted him to do but I also see the issues with who controls what.
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The whole shutting down the economy and sending stimulus check was 100% executive power
Yeh... he kinda blew that call.... by like.... a lot.
(08-10-2022, 09:42 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2022, 12:27 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]The whole shutting down the economy and sending stimulus check was 100% executive power
Yeh... he kinda blew that call.... by like.... a lot.
And Its a big one, sit back and just remember all the new precedents that year set. We now have a federal government that has the precedent and authority to tell you a private citizen, a private business owner, no you can't go to work because we deemed it dangerous. No you can't operate your business because we deemed it dangerous.
They told landlords no you can't collect rent and no you can't evict non-payers for over a year! They set the precedent only selected usually large corporations can conduct business but the private small business was out of luck.
Under trump the federal government fully subsidized this vaccine then decided to fully subsidize the distribution because it needed to be "free". Now the push to fully subsidize all kinds of medicine is in play see the whole insulin price control going on right now, trumps administration and the cdc started the ball rolling down the socialized government funded healthcare good luck stopping that now.
Now let's talk about the redistribution of wealth under trump. Not one not two but three times! Factor in the reality trumps administration set the foundation for the argument that we don't need to work we can just stimulate economic activity through wealth redistribution. Sounds like something right out of a socialist play book doesn't it?
Least we forget before covid trump ran the deficit spending up as much as Obama and Bush!
So someone tell me again how's this guy the champion of the GOP or a small government conservative? How is trump NOT a big government liberal? Because he says stuff we want to hear at rallys?
Trump is the greatest threat to the conservative movement and they're going to sing his praises to the end. Blows my mind.
The insulin thing has been an issue for years and the government has been trying to find a way to bring down the cost and I can't say that I disagree. Insulin is medically necessary, not expensive to make, and people can die without it. Type 1 diabetes can't be controlled by diet and those folks, specifically low income and senior citizens, should not have to choose between that and a tank of gas or to get groceries.
I have a huge bone to pick with big pharma though so almost anything to bring them down a peg is fine by me.
(08-11-2022, 08:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The insulin thing has been an issue for years and the government has been trying to find a way to bring down the cost and I can't say that I disagree. Insulin is medically necessary, not expensive to make, and people can die without it. Type 1 diabetes can't be controlled by diet and those folks, specifically low income and senior citizens, should not have to choose between that and a tank of gas or to get groceries.
I have a huge bone to pick with big pharma though so almost anything to bring them down a peg is fine by me.
I don't disagree that insulin cost are ridiculous. I just lost my father in law last year to a life long battle with diabetes. The problem is who decides what medicine is worthy of subsidies? Why not cancer treatments? Why not influenza treatments more people die from the flu then anything else every year? How about chronic headaches my wife suffers from horrible headaches that wipe her out days on end. Why not birth control? Why not pregnancies? What about kids should we really deny any child any medical treatment?
That's my point the supposed champion of modern day conservatism makes the best case for completely socialized medicine with his actions.
I'm not even arguing for or against it, just pointing out the reality of what and who Trump is.
(08-11-2022, 09:14 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2022, 08:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The insulin thing has been an issue for years and the government has been trying to find a way to bring down the cost and I can't say that I disagree. Insulin is medically necessary, not expensive to make, and people can die without it. Type 1 diabetes can't be controlled by diet and those folks, specifically low income and senior citizens, should not have to choose between that and a tank of gas or to get groceries.
I have a huge bone to pick with big pharma though so almost anything to bring them down a peg is fine by me.
I don't disagree that insulin cost are ridiculous. I just lost my father in law last year to a life long battle with diabetes. The problem is who decides what medicine is worthy of subsidies? Why not cancer treatments? Why not influenza treatments more people die from the flu then anything else every year? How about chronic headaches my wife suffers from horrible headaches that wipe her out days on end. Why not birth control? Why not pregnancies? What about kids should we really deny any child any medical treatment?
That's my point the supposed champion of modern day conservatism makes the best case for completely socialized medicine with his actions.
I'm not even arguing for or against it, just pointing out the reality of what and who Trump is.
The IRA does not offer a government subsidy for insulin. It simply caps the out of pocket cost if you buy insulin through private insurance. The cost is reduced for people with diabetes and increased for everyone else who buys private insurance. Similar to how other out of pocket costs such as birth control are already capped. For cancer drugs, those are subject to a specific loss ratio now, also a regulation that redistributed more cost away from the patient and towards other subscribers. But again, not truly a subsidy.
(08-11-2022, 08:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The insulin thing has been an issue for years and the government has been trying to find a way to bring down the cost and I can't say that I disagree. Insulin is medically necessary, not expensive to make, and people can die without it. Type 1 diabetes can't be controlled by diet and those folks, specifically low income and senior citizens, should not have to choose between that and a tank of gas or to get groceries.
I have a huge bone to pick with big pharma though so almost anything to bring them down a peg is fine by me.
(08-11-2022, 09:14 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2022, 08:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The insulin thing has been an issue for years and the government has been trying to find a way to bring down the cost and I can't say that I disagree. Insulin is medically necessary, not expensive to make, and people can die without it. Type 1 diabetes can't be controlled by diet and those folks, specifically low income and senior citizens, should not have to choose between that and a tank of gas or to get groceries.
I have a huge bone to pick with big pharma though so almost anything to bring them down a peg is fine by me.
I don't disagree that insulin cost are ridiculous. I just lost my father in law last year to a life long battle with diabetes. The problem is who decides what medicine is worthy of subsidies? Why not cancer treatments? Why not influenza treatments more people die from the flu then anything else every year? How about chronic headaches my wife suffers from horrible headaches that wipe her out days on end. Why not birth control? Why not pregnancies? What about kids should we really deny any child any medical treatment?
That's my point the supposed champion of modern day conservatism makes the best case for completely socialized medicine with his actions.
I'm not even arguing for or against it, just pointing out the reality of what and who Trump is.
The cost is crazy high. I haven't done the exact value calculations on all the supplies you need but it is easily $500 for pump supplies for 90 days. You can get buy without a lot of it if want a less flexible life. Without insurance, your costs would be over $1,000 for just 1 of my scripts.
You could get some discounts for cash and other government benefits but it's just crazy.
My insulin is actually my cheapest script at only $75 as the manufacturer has a $100 rebate that seems to never run out. It's even way cheaper than the Walmart one would be for 90 days.
While cancer and other things are worse, type 1 is for almost all of your life and you aren't going to get over it without an artificial pancreas and right now it's just an internal pump that still needs insulin.
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Trump hates them more. Haha