(10-24-2022, 01:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Hispanic is not a race, guys.
It's an ethnicity.
Hispanic means they ethnically identify with a Spanish speaking country.
Their racial identification will be something else: white, black, Asian, native American, or mixed. Everyone has one. Even Hispanic people.
And the racial identification is a better predictor of how they will vote in US elections than the ethnic identifier is.
Someone needs to tell La Raza.
(10-24-2022, 04:21 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Race is a social construct. Obviously, we're all shades of something, so we recognize there is a difference in tone. The debate we are having is one of categorization. Now that it's convenient for you, you want to hide behind a census that is put together terribly.
Technically, there is no black race. There is no white race. So why do we categorize that way? That only exists in America. So you really think Hispanics identify as black or white? Is your wife white or black? Does that reflect her tone? Her culture? What exactly are we categorizing with that question? Her family origin?
Stop letting these people create the narrative for you.
You can say race is a social construct, and thats not wrong, but, ethnicity is a social construct as well.
But to answer your question, my wife is white, and her family is white. She has a great uncle who came from Cuba to Miami right after Castro came to power and one of his favorite stories from that time is how the bus drivers in Miami would make them sit in the back as if they were black. They were outraged about that. Not about the racial segregation. About being called black.
(10-24-2022, 04:41 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 03:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Go look at census forms. Tell me I'm wrong. Hispanic is not a race.
On a census form I always select "other".
And that's fine. You're allowed to check that, just like you're allowed to check the box for Mexican ancestry if you want.
(10-24-2022, 04:33 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 03:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Go look at census forms. Tell me I'm wrong. Hispanic is not a race.
Pretty much all Hispanics disagreed with the categories on that 2020 census. They felt stripped of their identity as Hispanics, and marginalized as a minority. And why are Asians still on there as a 'race'? They look pretty white to me.
The whole categorization was developed by government to elevate blacks as a 'minority' and homogenize Latinos away from their minority status. I remember when being Hispanic, regardless of whether you agreed with it or not, got you minority points for hiring, college acceptance, etc. But no more, because they became too large a faction (13% in 2010) and began to threaten blacks as a 'minority'. So they were recategorized. If you can't see that, then you have blinders on.
This isn't a 2020 thing. Check the 2000 form. It's the same. How far back do you want to go to find an example of a census form that says I'm wrong?
(10-24-2022, 05:07 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 01:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Hispanic is not a race, guys.
It's an ethnicity.
Hispanic means they ethnically identify with a Spanish speaking country.
Their racial identification will be something else: white, black, Asian, native American, or mixed. Everyone has one. Even Hispanic people.
And the racial identification is a better predictor of how they will vote in US elections than the ethnic identifier is.
Someone needs to tell La Raza.
The elites in many Spanish speaking countries have, for decades, been pushing the narrative that they are race blind nationalities, that nationality takes precedence over race. This doesn't mean they don't have race. They do. There are white, brown, and black people in every Spanish speaking country, and there are color-based distributions whether you look at wealth, income, or voting patterns. But when they come to our country and explain their heritage to us in English, they are trained not to acknowledge any of that. Even though it's there.
Have you seen any photos of Sammy Sosa lately?
Then why do liberal commentators cry 'racism' when someone like AOC is challenged on her beliefs/issues? Why is it called racism when undocumented Hispanics cross the Maxican border? double standard, perhaps?
(10-24-2022, 06:28 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Then why do liberal commentators cry 'racism' when someone like AOC is challenged on her beliefs/issues? Why is it called racism when undocumented Hispanics cross the Maxican border? double standard, perhaps?
They are wrong to do it, as I said in my first post in this thread. It's not so much a double standard as it is their overconfidence that any rational person would agree with them, so any person who doesn't agree must be some flavor of irrational, and in their small brains the only flavor of irrational thought they wish to discuss is racism.
The truth is everyone has rational and irrational reasons for voting the way they do, and there are many possible reasons of both types for both parties.
Maybe when the left had values, views and morals, other races would be on board. Empty promises of free [BLEEP] only goes so far before everyone realizes you’re full of [BLEEP]. They’ve gone too far left and no one except the loonies are buying in.