Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Forums

Jags can’t seem to get lucky picking DE’s.

The few actual good ones were headcases

(11-13-2022, 08:58 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]They have regressed 

Alot

Started off strong and it was all downhill from there

Do we persist with Caldwell, or is enough enough and we get someone who is able to develop and get the best out of lloyd , walker and our  other rookies

Change for the sake of change may not be for the best. I don't know if the failings are scheme-oriented or talent-based, but I am not going to call for his head until we have an idea what we may be able to replace him with.

Mahomes might be the best QB we face all year. We managed 3 turnovers against them, but need to convert TO to more points than we did.

If Allen is just not a wily pass rusher, the DC can draw up the most prolific schemes imaginable, won't matter a hill of beans if the OLB are getting swallowed up by their blocker. Walker is in the same boat, but the expectation is far less for the rook to be the one carrying the pass rush.

(11-13-2022, 10:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Feels like a coaching issue. 
We know Lloyd can cover undetneath routes.  We know Allen and Walker can win one on one's with OTs.  We know they can stunt. 
For some reason the scheme is asking them to do something else.  Or it's too confusing for them.

Exactly. My concern is that the scheme may be calling for OLB to contain QB to pocket (hence the not shifting outside rush inside) rather than flushing them out and letting QB (especially mobile ones) tear us up scrambling. It puts a lot of pressure on the defensive backfield to maintain coverage and disrupt passes, and we don't have the shutdown corners/safeties to validate that approach.

---

(11-13-2022, 11:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2022, 11:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I suspect we've just seen too many mobile QBs lately.  To me it looks like they're trying to contain and sack.  It's often not possible to do both at the same time.

That's fair. Allen and Walker are suffering from mental constipation I guess. Maybe a bye week will give everybody a much needed break physically and it will allow some introspection and adjustments.

We'll know right away whether or not it helps them. Jackson is the pinnacle of mobile QB's.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

spend the bye week eating brain prunes. I like it.

Lloyd apparently is struggling in pass coverage. In particular, crossers. Looks like the film since the loss to Indy has exposed this and teams keep going to it.

So, there could be some merit with Muma getting playing time late over Lloyd two weeks in a row. Granted, Muma got lucky as [BLEEP] with Carr's underthrow in the endzone that hit Muma in his back.

It's a bit of both. Young players making mistakes, veterans not getting to the QB and losing containment late, coaches not figuring out how to stop the bleeding.

In otherwords. Painful growth. Yesterday was a tough loss. As most of their losses have been this year and always comes down to one or two missed opportunities that cost you the game.

I am honestly not sweating it too much. However, they have some holes to backfill next year. Moreso offensively than defensively IMHO. I think defensively they will look, feel and play more cohesively in 2023 but going into next off season with an entire TE room, a RT and a clutch WR hitting the market is WAY more concerning for me than it is with finding another interior and exterior pass rusher / disruptor.

As, I feel, defensively? They are built good enough to win this division and should be able to at least pull off a 5 - 1 or 4 - 2 divisional record next year. Already said this in another thread. But, this run defense better [BLEEP] dominate when they see Pierce again on the road and against Henry twice down the stretch.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

Interesting

https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/stat...PC-SYthFEA

(11-14-2022, 12:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting

https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/stat...PC-SYthFEA

Classic Jags!

(11-14-2022, 12:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting

https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/stat...PC-SYthFEA

Just another unique stat to add onto this football team for this year. Lost count on how many times I have seen a headline with "First time since four scores and seven years ago that a team until Jacksonville". 

Here's to hoping this team truly is better than what the record states and that they're just an interior pass rusher, WR1, LG & TE away from being next year's Miami Dolphins or Minnesota Vikings.

Leon Searcy on 1010 talking about Josh Allen and somewhat about Walker. He says there seems to be a lack of motivation. They just lock onto an O lineman like Velcro until the play is done. There is no wiggle or attempt to make a bigger, less agile opponent work for the block.

This is what perennial losing does to good players. There is no motivation after a few games of giving your all only to walk away with the L time after time after time. This is why we see so many players leave here and shine elsewhere.

Something needs to give soon. It would start with back to back wins and then build from there. Otherwise this franchise is going to gain a worse reputation than it has already. Maybe to the point free agents will turn down the money. Hell, the Jags laid out record setting money this season and still can’t win. Why would any others want to come here? They’re competitive people by nature, money doesn’t always talk the loudest.

(11-14-2022, 02:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Leon Searcy on 1010 talking about Josh Allen and somewhat about Walker. He says there seems to be a lack of motivation. They just lock onto an O lineman like Velcro until the play is done. There is no wiggle or attempt to make a bigger, less agile opponent work for the block.

This is what perennial losing does to good players. There is no motivation after a few games of giving your all only to walk away with the L time after time after time. This is why we see so many players leave here and shine elsewhere.

Something needs to give soon. It would start with back to back wins and then build from there. Otherwise this franchise is going to gain a worse reputation than it has already. Maybe to the point free agents will turn down the money. Hell, the Jags laid out record setting money this season and still can’t win. Why would any others want to come here? They’re competitive people by nature, money doesn’t always talk the loudest.

I don't buy that. I say it's a lack of skill or just not being good enough to finish. Because, a lot of folks on here love to throw that "pressure" stat around here like it's an honorary membership card from some exclusive club I am unaware of. 

Walker not getting to the QB and finishing the play doesn't surprise me. For two reasons. One, he wasn't asked to do that at Georgia. He was predominately an edge setter and run defender. We all knew his pass rushing abilities were going to take some time to learn and harness. 

All is forgiven there, as it was an early and honest expectation. I also see him getting routinely double teamed and getting trapped within the cluster of pass rushing efforts or on running plays. 

With that said? There is ZERO excuses for Josh Allen in year four. ZERO. Also, the contract stuff, the salary stuff? None of that big money is coming his way. The NFL doesn't pay players based on "almost" getting there or being "around" the QB. They pay you for forcing turnovers, burying the QB into the ground and coming up clutch when the game is on the line. 

Josh Allen, for what it's worth, yes, he's a good football player, but there's a lot of those already in the NFL. Nobody is going to open up their wallet or bust open their piggy bank for a good football player. I mean, this team does, because we suck. That's not always the case around the league though. We're actually in that exclusive club of suck. 

It's not motivation that's setting Allen or Walker back. It's skill. Walker doesn't show any pass rushing moves, at all. Neither does Allen. Which is concerning, because it's year four and he's going into a major year five with this team next year. You watch though. This [BLEEP] team will draft Jalen Carter, bypass Quentin Johnston, and, you'll see Walker become a monster while Allen remains just a 'guy". 

Essentially a wash again in 2023 in the pass rushing department. We need to get more explosive on offense. To force an offense to go into pass only mode. Then we'll maybe see Allen flourish like he did as a rookie. If I have to keep drafting other guys around you though to make you better, after I took you 7th overall four to five years ago?

You suck. Just throwing that out there. 7 sacks as a sophomore, 7 sacks as a junior, 17 sacks as a senior. All of that was on his stat sheet coming out of Kentucky. Anybody who thinks this front office drafted him to be what he is today is just delusional at best. He was drafted to replace Campbell and Ngakoue. He couldn't get it done. Done with the excuses with him. 

I just watched a tacks front four [BLEEP] dominate KC and DEN in back to back weeks. Our guys just can't get it done. Maybe give Smoot a start and bench Allen's [BLEEP] [BLEEP] and we'll see if that motivates him enough.

(11-14-2022, 02:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2022, 02:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Leon Searcy on 1010 talking about Josh Allen and somewhat about Walker. He says there seems to be a lack of motivation. They just lock onto an O lineman like Velcro until the play is done. There is no wiggle or attempt to make a bigger, less agile opponent work for the block.

This is what perennial losing does to good players. There is no motivation after a few games of giving your all only to walk away with the L time after time after time. This is why we see so many players leave here and shine elsewhere.

Something needs to give soon. It would start with back to back wins and then build from there. Otherwise this franchise is going to gain a worse reputation than it has already. Maybe to the point free agents will turn down the money. Hell, the Jags laid out record setting money this season and still can’t win. Why would any others want to come here? They’re competitive people by nature, money doesn’t always talk the loudest.

I don't buy that. I say it's a lack of skill or just not being good enough to finish. Because, a lot of folks on here love to throw that "pressure" stat around here like it's an honorary membership card from some exclusive club I am unaware of. 

Walker not getting to the QB and finishing the play doesn't surprise me. For two reasons. One, he wasn't asked to do that at Georgia. He was predominately an edge setter and run defender. We all knew his pass rushing abilities were going to take some time to learn and harness. 

All is forgiven there, as it was an early and honest expectation. I also see him getting routinely double teamed and getting trapped within the cluster of pass rushing efforts or on running plays. 

With that said? There is ZERO excuses for Josh Allen in year four. ZERO. Also, the contract stuff, the salary stuff? None of that big money is coming his way. The NFL doesn't pay players based on "almost" getting there or being "around" the QB. They pay you for forcing turnovers, burying the QB into the ground and coming up clutch when the game is on the line. 

Josh Allen, for what it's worth, yes, he's a good football player, but there's a lot of those already in the NFL. Nobody is going to open up their wallet or bust open their piggy bank for a good football player. I mean, this team does, because we suck. That's not always the case around the league though. We're actually in that exclusive club of suck. 

It's not motivation that's setting Allen or Walker back. It's skill. Walker doesn't show any pass rushing moves, at all. Neither does Allen. Which is concerning, because it's year four and he's going into a major year five with this team next year. You watch though. This [BLEEP] team will draft Jalen Carter, bypass Quentin Johnston, and, you'll see Walker become a monster while Allen remains just a 'guy". 

Essentially a wash again in 2023 in the pass rushing department. We need to get more explosive on offense. To force an offense to go into pass only mode. Then we'll maybe see Allen flourish like he did as a rookie. If I have to keep drafting other guys around you though to make you better, after I took you 7th overall four to five years ago?

You suck. Just throwing that out there. 7 sacks as a sophomore, 7 sacks as a junior, 17 sacks as a senior. All of that was on his stat sheet coming out of Kentucky. Anybody who thinks this front office drafted him to be what he is today is just delusional at best. He was drafted to replace Campbell and Ngakoue. He couldn't get it done. Done with the excuses with him. 

I just watched a tacks front four [BLEEP] dominate KC and DEN in back to back weeks. Our guys just can't get it done. Maybe give Smoot a start and bench Allen's [BLEEP] [BLEEP] and we'll see if that motivates him enough.

Josh Allen has regressed. He's throwing more INTS. He's reverting back to the Hero ball of his first couple of seasons, where he felt he had to make every throw, even in tight spaces. Back to where he felt like he was the team's only good running option. He misses Daboll to correct him, rein him in, and get him mentally back on track.

What? Oh, THAT Josh Allen. Meh.

(11-14-2022, 02:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2022, 02:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Leon Searcy on 1010 talking about Josh Allen and somewhat about Walker. He says there seems to be a lack of motivation. They just lock onto an O lineman like Velcro until the play is done. There is no wiggle oU8xFBn0BWiYr attempt to make a bigger, less agile opponent work for the block.

This is what perennial losing does to good players. There is no motivation after a few games of giving your all only to walk away with the L time after time after time. This is why we see so many players leave here and shine elsewhere.

Something needs to give soon. It would start with back to back wins and then build from there. Otherwise this franchise is going to gain a worse reputation than it has already. Maybe to the point free agents will turn down the money. Hell, the Jags laid out record setting money this season and still can’t win. Why would any others want to come here? They’re competitive people by nature, money doesn’t always talk the loudest.

I don't buy that. I say it's a lack of skill or just not being good enough to finish. Because, a lot of folks on here love to throw that "pressure" stat around here like it's an honorary membership card from some exclusive club I am unaware of. 

Walker not getting to the QB and finishing the play doesn't surprise me. For two reasons. One, he wasn't asked to do that at Georgia. He was predominately an edge setter and run defender. We all knew his pass rushing abilities were going to take some time to learn and harness. 

All is forgiven there, as it was an early and honest expectation. I also see him getting routinely double teamed and getting trapped within the cluster of pass rushing efforts or on running plays. 

With that said? There is ZERO excuses for Josh Allen in year four. ZERO. Also, the contract stuff, the salary stuff? None of that big money is coming his way. The NFL doesn't pay players based on "almost" getting there or being "around" the QB. They pay you for forcing turnovers, burying the QB into the ground and coming up clutch when the game is on the line. 

Josh Allen, for what it's worth, yes, he's a good football player, but there's a lot of those already in the NFL. Nobody is going to open up their wallet or bust open their piggy bank for a good football player. I mean, this team does, because we suck. That's not always the case around the league though. We're actually in that exclusive club of suck. 

It's not motivation that's setting Allen or Walker back. It's skill. Walker doesn't show any pass rushing moves, at all. Neither does Allen. Which is concerning, because it's year four and he's going into a major year five with this team next year. You watch though. This [BLEEP] team will draft Jalen Carter, bypass Quentin Johnston, and, you'll see Walker become a monster while Allen remains just a 'guy". 

Essentially a wash again in 2023 in the pass rushing department. We need to get more explosive on offense. To force an offense to go into pass only mode. Then we'll maybe see Allen flourish like he did as a rookie. If I have to keep drafting other guys around you though to make you better, after I took you 7th overall four to five years ago?

You suck. Just throwing that out there. 7 sacks as a sophomore, 7 sacks as a junior, 17 sacks as a senior. All of that was on his stat sheet coming out of Kentucky. Anybody who thinks this front office drafted him to be what he is today is just delusional at best. He was drafted to replace Campbell and Ngakoue. He couldn't get it done. Done with the excuses with him. 

I just watched a tacks front four [BLEEP] dominate KC and DEN in back to back weeks. Our guys just can't get it done. Maybe give Smoot a start and bench Allen's [BLEEP] [BLEEP] and we'll see if that motivates him enough.

(11-14-2022, 04:53 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2022, 02:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't buy that. I say it's a lack of skill or just not being good enough to finish. Because, a lot of folks on here love to throw that "pressure" stat around here like it's an honorary membership card from some exclusive club I am unaware of. 

Walker not getting to the QB and finishing the play doesn't surprise me. For two reasons. One, he wasn't asked to do that at Georgia. He was predominately an edge setter and run defender. We all knew his pass rushing abilities were going to take some time to learn and harness. 

All is forgiven there, as it was an early and honest expectation. I also see him getting routinely double teamed and getting trapped within the cluster of pass rushing efforts or on running plays. 

With that said? There is ZERO excuses for Josh Allen in year four. ZERO. Also, the contract stuff, the salary stuff? None of that big money is coming his way. The NFL doesn't pay players based on "almost" getting there or being "around" the QB. They pay you for forcing turnovers, burying the QB into the ground and coming up clutch when the game is on the line. 

Josh Allen, for what it's worth, yes, he's a good football player, but there's a lot of those already in the NFL. Nobody is going to open up their wallet or bust open their piggy bank for a good football player. I mean, this team does, because we suck. That's not always the case around the league though. We're actually in that exclusive club of suck. 

It's not motivation that's setting Allen or Walker back. It's skill. Walker doesn't show any pass rushing moves, at all. Neither does Allen. Which is concerning, because it's year four and he's going into a major year five with this team next year. You watch though. This [BLEEP] team will draft Jalen Carter, bypass Quentin Johnston, and, you'll see Walker become a monster while Allen remains just a 'guy". 

Essentially a wash again in 2023 in the pass rushing department. We need to get more explosive on offense. To force an offense to go into pass only mode. Then we'll maybe see Allen flourish like he did as a rookie. If I have to keep drafting other guys around you though to make you better, after I took you 7th overall four to five years ago?

You suck. Just throwing that out there. 7 sacks as a sophomore, 7 sacks as a junior, 17 sacks as a senior. All of that was on his stat sheet coming out of Kentucky. Anybody who thinks this front office drafted him to be what he is today is just delusional at best. He was drafted to replace Campbell and Ngakoue. He couldn't get it done. Done with the excuses with him. 

I just watched a tacks front four [BLEEP] dominate KC and DEN in back to back weeks. Our guys just can't get it done. Maybe give Smoot a start and bench Allen's [BLEEP] [BLEEP] and we'll see if that motivates him enough.

Minus the tears. But, for [BLEEP] sake man. Yeah. It's frustrating as hell. Everybody is frustrated with Josh Allen. Locally, if you have access to radio via internet. Highly encourage you to listen into 92.5 FM here in Jacksonville.

Jenkins can’t cover in man to man, and neither can any of our CBs with the exception of Campbell, even though he’s better in zone.

Jenkins was picked on so much and he kept making the same mistake. Covers the first guy and the crosser ran wide open.

Dline isn’t good enough to help the secondary out. No pass rush at all. At this point Caldwell is going to have to manufacture some type of pass rush, maybe from the LB firing with some robber type scheme on the back end.

Bottom line is no scheme is going to work without an effective pass rush. Run defense is solid.

The Bottom line is we cannot have receivers running wide open like they were against KC.

(11-14-2022, 07:41 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]The Bottom line is we cannot have receivers running wide open like they were against KC.

I agree. The Toney TD was comical. He didn’t have anyone within 20 yards of him. CB Brown on that side completely dismissed him. The ball was snapped and he decided to play man and completely ignored the motion to his side. He didn’t even bump down and acknowledge motion to his side.

(11-14-2022, 05:25 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2022, 04:53 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]

Minus the tears. But, for [BLEEP] sake man. Yeah. It's frustrating as hell. Everybody is frustrated with Josh Allen. Locally, if you have access to radio via internet. Highly encourage you to listen into 92.5 FM here in Jacksonville.

If the radio makes you miserable or frustrated, why keep listening?

---

(11-14-2022, 07:57 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2022, 07:41 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]The Bottom line is we cannot have receivers running wide open like they were against KC.

I agree. The Toney TD was comical. He didn’t have anyone within 20 yards of him. CB Brown on that side completely dismissed him. The ball was snapped and he decided to play man and completely ignored the motion to his side. He didn’t even bump down and acknowledge motion to his side.

Wait, did a day 3 rookie pick get beat in his first real action on the field?  The devil, you say!
Not sure what you expected to see there.

(11-15-2022, 08:54 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2022, 05:25 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Minus the tears. But, for [BLEEP] sake man. Yeah. It's frustrating as hell. Everybody is frustrated with Josh Allen. Locally, if you have access to radio via internet. Highly encourage you to listen into 92.5 FM here in Jacksonville.

If the radio makes you miserable or frustrated, why keep listening?

---

(11-14-2022, 07:57 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. The Toney TD was comical. He didn’t have anyone within 20 yards of him. CB Brown on that side completely dismissed him. The ball was snapped and he decided to play man and completely ignored the motion to his side. He didn’t even bump down and acknowledge motion to his side.

Wait, did a day 3 rookie pick get beat in his first real action on the field?  The devil, you say!
Not sure what you expected to see there.

It doesn't. Who said I was miserable? Just because I get fired the [BLEEP] up and passionate as hell about this city I have lived in my whole life and the team that got me into football at the age of six doesn't make me miserable. 

I love listening to passionate fans. I love listening to former players, current players and analysts on a local level. It's educating, it's fun to see other's perspectives. Just like it is on here. 

It's just fun. It's almost political in a since. You have fans that are loyal to the team. You have fans that are loyal to the player. You have fans that are somewhere in between both spectrums and just want to see things click and fire on all cylinders on a consistent basis. 

At any rate. Despite my nit picking? My perceived "misery". The trajectory is up baby! If you're looking to buy stock? It's time to invest in this team! 

DUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

Are we better off in a 4-3? I know Pederson likes the 3-4 and we've tried to acquire personnel for that, but it feels like we may have backslid into a better 4-3 fit unintentionally.

LDE: Travon Walker
NT: Davon Hamilton
DT: Foley Fatukasi/Roy Robertson-Harris
RDE: Josh Allen

SLB: Devin Lloyd
MLB: Foye Oluokun
WLB: Chad Muma

Muma (or Lloyd based on his recent struggles) leaves the field for nickel. Smoot rotates in at Defensive End, and Key rotates in at DT along with Roy Robertson Harris. I feel like we don't have the bodies up front to rotate 3 spots for the 3-4. Also why invest so much at the LB spot with Oluokun in free agency and high picks for Walker, Lloyd, & Muma to not feature them?

On the back end I think we should move on from Rayshawn Jenkins. I think he's a cap casualty, drafting a Corner to play opposite Campbell should be priority #1 in my honest opinion.

(11-15-2022, 11:03 AM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Are we better off in a 4-3? I know Pederson likes the 3-4 and we've tried to acquire personnel for that, but it feels like we may have backslid into a better 4-3 fit unintentionally.

LDE: Travon Walker
NT: Davon Hamilton
DT: Foley Fatukasi/Roy Robertson-Harris
RDE: Josh Allen

SLB: Devin Lloyd
MLB: Foye Oluokun
WLB: Chad Muma

Muma (or Lloyd based on his recent struggles) leaves the field for nickel. Smoot rotates in at Defensive End, and Key rotates in at DT along with Roy Robertson Harris. I feel like we don't have the bodies up front to rotate 3 spots for the 3-4. Also why invest so much at the LB spot with Oluokun in free agency and high picks for Walker, Lloyd, & Muma to not feature them?

On the back end I think we should move on from Rayshawn Jenkins. I think he's a cap casualty, drafting a Corner to play opposite Campbell should be priority #1 in my honest opinion.

This is a fair question to ask and valid points included. I see a similar concern as well. Especially for the crowd on here that wants Jalen Carter in next year's draft. What's the point of drafting him if you're going to also limit Fatukasi potentially? 

If Lloyd is struggling in Zone coverage, while Walker and Allen can't convert their pressures into sacks due to lack of a push in the interior? What are we doing to scheme around this? Should they try to do what Buffalo does with a more Cover 3 Robber look? With more pressure mixed in that emphasizes the interior rush lanes?

It makes sense to me on paper. Blitz Lloyd in obvious pass rushing situations on 3rd and long, etc. Send him right up the middle and let him shoot the free gap if it's there. While you're doing this you're moving Cisco up into the middle zone area to POP anybody running those slants, crossers, etc. 

I think it's an intriguing idea to approach and entertain. Especially after Cisco is coming off his best game with two big hits over the middle and a pick. You have to figure out a way to put your aces in their places. If Lloyd cannot cover, send him after the ball in the backfield. Let him roam. If Cisco is a ball hawker chest popper? Put him in the middle zone area. Let him be the enforcer.

Want to echo what I just heard from Lageman on the radio. Josh is getting a lot more one on one opportunities due to Travon's strength and commanding a lot more blocking, chip blocks, etc. in his direction. This is him looking at film week after week, having his own little segment twice a week with this crew at 10:00 AM and with the coach personally to recap.

So, there's clearly an issue. Combined with Searcy flat out saying they look unmotivated yesterday, etc. This notion though that Josh is unsuccessful because of the lack of interior rush. I rarely hear it come up with these former football players. It just doesn't seem to come up at all. If anything, they look at the game as match up's. You go back and look at some of these overbearing, dominating front fours?

For example, look at last night's game with WAS and PHI. Both Sweats from each team. They were winning and whooping that [BLEEP] in one-on-one situations and effecting the QB, forcing a fumble, mauling a runner behind the LOS, etc. Again, ONE ON ONE. Alright? None of this, "Well, Fatukasi isn't doing something or Hamilton isn't doing something".

It was mano a mano. At some point, we can argue scheme this, scheme that until we're blue in the face. But, at some point? These players need to make plays. It's as simple as that.