(12-07-2022, 12:38 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 11:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Our division requires we address the run D
two top tier backs to face twice a year and an ascending one in Houston
Color me insane (Wanting the same things done, expecting different results) but I think we're at the point where our run defense is good enough. It's not the run D that makes me sad. It's the fact that we can't get off the field on 3rd and 6+.
Even with run heavy teams 3rd and 6+ is a passing play. And we just can't figure out how to get off the field on those down and distance situations. I blame the DC on these situations. I just think it's time we bring in a real DC that has real NFL experience. I'm just sick of having to "experiment" on "up and coming" coaches or front office.
We now have a SB winning coach that has clearly make our offense playoff caliber. The Defense and Front Office deserve the same kind of treatment when it comes to leadership.
Our run D went from 24th in the league to 6th in the league THIS SEASON because we added Oluokun and Fatukasi primarily.
Drafting Lloyd and Muma was also part of the effort. Walker has also been a positive addition in this run game.
So yeah - it is good enough now. Before that it sucked donkey balls and had for years.
The fact that you are unaware of this makes me dubious about your evaluation of any scheme Caldwell may or may not be employing.
We know what the DC is doing isn't good enough, but we also know he doesn't have enough pass rushers or DBs who can cover.
(12-07-2022, 12:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 12:38 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Color me insane (Wanting the same things done, expecting different results) but I think we're at the point where our run defense is good enough. It's not the run D that makes me sad. It's the fact that we can't get off the field on 3rd and 6+.
Even with run heavy teams 3rd and 6+ is a passing play. And we just can't figure out how to get off the field on those down and distance situations. I blame the DC on these situations. I just think it's time we bring in a real DC that has real NFL experience. I'm just sick of having to "experiment" on "up and coming" coaches or front office.
We now have a SB winning coach that has clearly make our offense playoff caliber. The Defense and Front Office deserve the same kind of treatment when it comes to leadership.
Our run D went from 24th in the league to 6th in the league THIS SEASON because we added Oluokun and Fatukasi primarily.
Drafting Lloyd and Muma was also part of the effort. Walker has also been a positive addition in this run game.
So yeah - it is good enough now. Before that it sucked donkey balls and had for years.
The fact that you are unaware of this makes me dubious about your evaluation of any scheme Caldwell may or may not be employing.
We know what the DC is doing isn't good enough, but we also know he doesn't have enough pass rushers or DBs who can cover.
Bro... Why you do me like that?
I'm not sure if you haven't read my other posts, or maybe you confuse me for someone else... But I actually have given my take on our Defensive Personnel. I have given much credit to our run stopping defensive players. I almost feel insulted, but naw, it's cool. I can't expect you to read everything I've ever written about this team.
Be that as it may.
This thread is discussing whether or not we are about to be whooped by the Titans. I just think that maybe we have a chance for a come up based on our talent, so long as they focus on Henry.
Oh and there was another thread that I mentioned that for the last 4 games, Henry has been averaging right about 3 yards per carry. While it's true that our pass D is really bad right now. Our run D isn't the disaster many people thing they are. (and just to say, I've never talked [BLEEP] about our Run D, or the players that make plays in that aspect of the game).
(12-07-2022, 11:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2022, 11:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]
We spent money this past offseason to address run D. In the pass-happy NFL, we may be paying the price for this prioritization.
We spent money last offseason to address pass D. Shaq, Williams, Jenkins, which of them are the stars of our pass D? We are paying the price for these misses.
We considered our spending on pass D sufficient, so we invested our top pick in a pass rush project to unlock the potential pass rusher nearing the end of his rookie deal, rather than pursue either a pure pass rusher, DB, or look to other positions. We are paying the price for this miss.
I have no idea about the coaching that goes on. I don't know if Caldwell is an upstart guy who is learning the ropes, or if he is in above his head. I don't know if his relative inexperience prevented him from bringing in better assistants and position coaches, but he's not doing must to keep from becoming the scapegoat.
I don't even know if we let him go, do we have guys capable of shifting to 4-3, or are our hands tied due to cap constraints to only seek out 3-4 coaches?
I don't think it's as easy as players or plays. It's absolutely a blend of both. Can a crap coach get Micah Parsons sacks? Can a defensive genius put Chaisson at the top of the stat sheet? We gotta be better at both acquiring talented players and putting them in positions to win.
Our division requires we address the run D
two top tier backs to face twice a year and an ascending one in Houston
absolutely. This year was trying to fix the run D. It seems to be working, at least showing improvement.
Had we not whiffed the year prior trying to overhaul the pass defense, going all in on one phase wouldn't appear to be such a glaring weakness the other 13 games of the season. I think the whiffs are more what's wrong than focusing this past year on restricting the run games we face.
(12-07-2022, 01:28 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 12:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Our run D went from 24th in the league to 6th in the league THIS SEASON because we added Oluokun and Fatukasi primarily.
Drafting Lloyd and Muma was also part of the effort. Walker has also been a positive addition in this run game.
So yeah - it is good enough now. Before that it sucked donkey balls and had for years.
The fact that you are unaware of this makes me dubious about your evaluation of any scheme Caldwell may or may not be employing.
We know what the DC is doing isn't good enough, but we also know he doesn't have enough pass rushers or DBs who can cover.
Bro... Why you do me like that?
I'm not sure if you haven't read my other posts, or maybe you confuse me for someone else... But I actually have given my take on our Defensive Personnel. I have given much credit to our run stopping defensive players. I almost feel insulted, but naw, it's cool. I can't expect you to read everything I've ever written about this team.
Be that as it may.
This thread is discussing whether or not we are about to be whooped by the Titans. I just think that maybe we have a chance for a come up based on our talent, so long as they focus on Henry.
Oh and there was another thread that I mentioned that for the last 4 games, Henry has been averaging right about 3 yards per carry. While it's true that our pass D is really bad right now. Our run D isn't the disaster many people thing they are. (and just to say, I've never talked [BLEEP] about our Run D, or the players that make plays in that aspect of the game).
Sorry.
I didn't realize people were disillusioned about our run defense.
it has been good outside of maybe two games. Thought that was universally understood.
The run D isn't the problem. It's basically everything else defensively.
Doesn't matter if we stop Henry in this game. Our back seven will make Tannehill look like 2011 Brady and our pass rush will give him plenty of time to do it.
The thread was about players vs plays, so not sure why the tacks game is integral.
regardless - this defense needs players and it needs a better scheme.
(12-07-2022, 02:07 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 11:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Our division requires we address the run D
two top tier backs to face twice a year and an ascending one in Houston
absolutely. This year was trying to fix the run D. It seems to be working, at least showing improvement.
Had we not whiffed the year prior trying to overhaul the pass defense, going all in on one phase wouldn't appear to be such a glaring weakness the other 13 games of the season. I think the whiffs are more what's wrong than focusing this past year on restricting the run games we face.
This gets into the teams identity.
If you are a team with a franchise QB and an offense you expect to put some at least some points, you should have a defense with personnel specific to pass rush and coverage. If you are in a game situation or facing run-heavy team, altering the scheme is the way to manage it.
The alternate way to do it, is to have some great internal lineman to get some pocket push and limit run effectiveness with good coverage, and then scheme up more pressure with situational/simulated pressures and really good tape study. And this would play into a team that is more run, play action heavy.
It just takes way too much luck with drafting, FA signing, injury luck, fit, player personalities, etc. to bank on creating a team that is elite against both the run and pass. Even when you do, the defense starts to show cracks after 1 or 2 great seasons. The exceptions would be if the team is based around 1 or 2 generational like talents (like say Fred Warner/Bosa; Aaron Donald, Parsons), or your organization is elite at identifying and developing certain position groups from late round/undrafted guys or guy misused on other teams.
The time it took our pass rashers to get to Goff, he could of finished all LOTR movies twice over
It also could just be the players are not motivated. Leon Searcy said after the game the players were lethargic, lacked energy, playing like they really didn't care. Not sure why they would feel like that. Throwing the game for Vegas dollars maybe?
(12-04-2022, 10:17 PM)BamboozledAgain Wrote: [ -> ]Had I not watched the USC UTAH game that has to be the worst defense iv'e seen in awhile. Guys just wide open, not just guys but there star players
If I didn't know better, it looked like the jags defense were the generals and the lions victimized us like the globetrotters
I wouldn't mind seeing us changing to a 4-3. I think Travon Walker could be a great 3-technique in a 4-3. Then see if we can find an effective pass rusher to play outside of him.