(12-06-2022, 01:27 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 12:55 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You say you are hearing it, but what is your source?
Nothing official just players and people who associate with the team in some capacity.
Well, to be honest, I associate with the team in some capacity. The capacity of seeing Tony Boselli in a Firehouse Subs once and waving to Fred Taylor at the Town Center a few years ago. In spite of all that, I haven't heard this rumor.
A couple of games ago or so my mind was blown when I saw Arden Key covering a receiver one-on-one 30 yards downfield in the end-zone. Fortunately, the pass was overthrown, but what kind of fool thinks Key should be covering ANYBODY deep?? I didn't get that one at all.
(12-07-2022, 12:13 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of games ago or so my mind was blown when I saw Arden Key covering a receiver one-on-one 30 yards downfield in the end-zone. Fortunately, the pass was overthrown, but what kind of fool thinks Key should be covering ANYBODY deep?? I didn't get that one at all.
Sheesh. So true. And like someone said above having walker and allen cover, they cant. They get beat, or we get lucky and the other team's qb makes a bad pass. I like the 34 defense but maybe we would be better suited for a 43. Funny though that last year with less talent the team got nice pressure at times from the 34.
(12-07-2022, 12:13 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of games ago or so my mind was blown when I saw Arden Key covering a receiver one-on-one 30 yards downfield in the end-zone. Fortunately, the pass was overthrown, but what kind of fool thinks Key should be covering ANYBODY deep?? I didn't get that one at all.
[BLEEP], Smoot was lined up 1 on 1 with Danvante Adams
(12-06-2022, 05:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I don't know what the scheme has to do with Josh Allen having no ability to beat a tackle 1 on 1.
You’re playing checkers then. I’m no where near a price coaching level, but even I know that if you use stunts and overload and bring extra pressure, that will free Allen up. Heck you could even put Smoot or Walker on the same side as Allen.
(12-07-2022, 08:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 05:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I don't know what the scheme has to do with Josh Allen having no ability to beat a tackle 1 on 1.
You’re playing checkers then. I’m no where near a price coaching level, but even I know that if you use stunts and overload and bring extra pressure, that will free Allen up. Heck you could even put Smoot or Walker on the same side as Allen.
I'd like to see that creativity from the coach on defense.
Why does this thread even exist? There's no reporting of any sort to support this speculation.
(12-07-2022, 09:23 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Why does this thread even exist? There's no reporting of any sort to support this speculation.
Well its not like we can talk about our future in the playoffs anymore, so we need something to discuss.
(12-07-2022, 10:52 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 09:23 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Why does this thread even exist? There's no reporting of any sort to support this speculation.
Well its not like we can talk about our future in the playoffs anymore, so we need something to discuss.
It's technically not over unless they lose this Sunday to the tacks. They can technically win out, possibly even lose to Dallas as long as the tacks stay at about the same record as ours but if we sweep those [BLEEP] we potentially have a shot at the 4th seed.
If this is the same Doug from Philly days is that he wont get rid of his guys.
Hopefully he is a changed man though and fires Caldwell, but this is a bigger issue than DC.
(12-06-2022, 12:50 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]Basically they don't think Caldwell know what he's doing. The two leading the charge are Allen and Lloyd. So the product we're seeing out there, are players who haven't bought into the scheme, nor the coach.
I knew Allen could not possibly had regressed this much.
@wonder if LLoyd felt this way before he got benched@
(12-06-2022, 04:54 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's really a player vs Caldwell revolt. I think we're just not that good and Caldwell is in a little over his head. Boselli said yesterday it's one of two things, either: 1. Players aren't studying and learning their assignments, or 2. Caldwell is asking them to do too much. I think it's #2. I think he has his scheme, and it's complicated, and he doesn't know how to properly scale it back to fit his current talent levels.
Boselli forgot 3, Players are learning and playing as assigned, but the coach is not giving them proper assignment
Sounds like Tony is completely ignoring that the coach can be at all to blame for any of the defense's shortcomings in his assessment. Option 1 is the players are lazy or dumb, and option 2 is the players are dumb and overwhelmed.
You would think that if the scheme were complex, we'd have started slow, and gradually developed as the light bulbs went off one-by-one across the roster.
(12-07-2022, 01:48 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 04:54 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's really a player vs Caldwell revolt. I think we're just not that good and Caldwell is in a little over his head. Boselli said yesterday it's one of two things, either: 1. Players aren't studying and learning their assignments, or 2. Caldwell is asking them to do too much. I think it's #2. I think he has his scheme, and it's complicated, and he doesn't know how to properly scale it back to fit his current talent levels.
Boselli forgot 3, Players are learning and playing as assigned, but the coach is not giving them proper assignment
Sounds like Tony is completely ignoring that the coach can be at all to blame for any of the defense's shortcomings in his assessment. Option 1 is the players are lazy or dumb, and option 2 is the players are dumb and overwhelmed.
You would think that if the scheme were complex, we'd have started slow, and gradually developed as the light bulbs went off one-by-one across the roster.
I think people who cover the team tend to protect the coaching staff. They are more comfortable criticizing the players in general, and they avoid calling out individual coaches with whom they have a working relationship.
(12-07-2022, 12:13 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of games ago or so my mind was blown when I saw Arden Key covering a receiver one-on-one 30 yards downfield in the end-zone. Fortunately, the pass was overthrown, but what kind of fool thinks Key should be covering ANYBODY deep?? I didn't get that one at all.
He made a great play to prevent the completion, maybe they are onto something
(12-07-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 12:13 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of games ago or so my mind was blown when I saw Arden Key covering a receiver one-on-one 30 yards downfield in the end-zone. Fortunately, the pass was overthrown, but what kind of fool thinks Key should be covering ANYBODY deep?? I didn't get that one at all.
[BLEEP], Smoot was lined up 1 on 1 with Danvante Adams
Contact allowed within 5 yards, so put Adams on his backside and make sure he don't get up
(12-07-2022, 08:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 05:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I don't know what the scheme has to do with Josh Allen having no ability to beat a tackle 1 on 1.
You’re playing checkers then. I’m no where near a price coaching level, but even I know that if you use stunts and overload and bring extra pressure, that will free Allen up. Heck you could even put Smoot or Walker on the same side as Allen.
Is Josh Allen a better player if he gets 6-8 sacks a year off stunts like Andre Branch did that one year? I'm not saying that wouldn't be a good idea for team success but I fail to see how scheming a guy to run free makes him a better player. Anyone can run free towards a QB.
(12-07-2022, 01:57 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]What is a mild mutiny?
Read: moderate grumblings of unhappiness with leadership
also - players blaming coaches for their unit's shortcomings is nothing new and there's probably very little of it actually happening aside from a small handful with bruised egos about their own bad performances
(12-07-2022, 01:48 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2022, 04:54 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's really a player vs Caldwell revolt. I think we're just not that good and Caldwell is in a little over his head. Boselli said yesterday it's one of two things, either: 1. Players aren't studying and learning their assignments, or 2. Caldwell is asking them to do too much. I think it's #2. I think he has his scheme, and it's complicated, and he doesn't know how to properly scale it back to fit his current talent levels.
Boselli forgot 3, Players are learning and playing as assigned, but the coach is not giving them proper assignment
Sounds like Tony is completely ignoring that the coach can be at all to blame for any of the defense's shortcomings in his assessment. Option 1 is the players are lazy or dumb, and option 2 is the players are dumb and overwhelmed.
You would think that if the scheme were complex, we'd have started slow, and gradually developed as the light bulbs went off one-by-one across the roster.
Dude, thank you.
I actually listened to Boselli's analysis on their YouTube Channel. It's almost as if the entire Jacksonville media is willfully trying to ignore the obvious fact that most of us clearly see.
Obviously the players are messing up. But they look lost out there at crucial times. Why would a well coached team look lost? Oh, well, obviously the players are morons or lazy.
Or... Maybe. Just maybe... the coaches aren't doing their jobs!! Naw, it's the players. Bunch of Idiots.
But those same players looked like monsters against Colts and the Chargers. They did their job against the Texans. They punked the Giants for 3 quarters untill they finally got worned out, but the Offense let them down.
This team has talent on D. That's all I'm saying. For some reason, all of a sudden this Defense looks lost. Based on early performance and the decline of such, I tend to blame the coaching not the players.
(12-07-2022, 02:05 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 01:48 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Boselli forgot 3, Players are learning and playing as assigned, but the coach is not giving them proper assignment
Sounds like Tony is completely ignoring that the coach can be at all to blame for any of the defense's shortcomings in his assessment. Option 1 is the players are lazy or dumb, and option 2 is the players are dumb and overwhelmed.
You would think that if the scheme were complex, we'd have started slow, and gradually developed as the light bulbs went off one-by-one across the roster.
Dude, thank you.
I actually listened to Boselli's analysis on their YouTube Channel. It's almost as if the entire Jacksonville media is willfully trying to ignore the obvious fact that most of us clearly see.
Obviously the players are messing up. But they look lost out there at crucial times. Why would a well coached team look lost? Oh, well, obviously the players are morons or lazy.
Or... Maybe. Just maybe... the coaches aren't doing their jobs!! Naw, it's the players. Bunch of Idiots.
But those same players looked like monsters against Colts and the Chargers. They did their job against the Texans. They punked the Giants for 3 quarters untill they finally got worned out, but the Offense let them down.
This team has talent on D. That's all I'm saying. For some reason, all of a sudden this Defense looks lost. Based on early performance and the decline of such, I tend to blame the coaching not the players.
Talent?
I do think Caldwell is part of the problem but is unsure what his role really is.
However, I can see that Josh Allen hasn't done much except that one season when Calais and Yannick were there too. There's been three defensive coordinators in his time and only Todd Wash managed to make him produce enough but as mentioned there were two elite players in Jacksonville that season.
(12-07-2022, 02:26 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2022, 02:05 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, thank you.
I actually listened to Boselli's analysis on their YouTube Channel. It's almost as if the entire Jacksonville media is willfully trying to ignore the obvious fact that most of us clearly see.
Obviously the players are messing up. But they look lost out there at crucial times. Why would a well coached team look lost? Oh, well, obviously the players are morons or lazy.
Or... Maybe. Just maybe... the coaches aren't doing their jobs!! Naw, it's the players. Bunch of Idiots.
But those same players looked like monsters against Colts and the Chargers. They did their job against the Texans. They punked the Giants for 3 quarters untill they finally got worned out, but the Offense let them down.
This team has talent on D. That's all I'm saying. For some reason, all of a sudden this Defense looks lost. Based on early performance and the decline of such, I tend to blame the coaching not the players.
Talent?
I do think Caldwell is part of the problem but is unsure what his role really is.
However, I can see that Josh Allen hasn't done much except that one season when Calais and Yannick were there too. There's been three defensive coordinators in his time and only Todd Wash managed to make him produce enough but as mentioned there were two elite players in Jacksonville that season.
I do think this team has talent.
Regarding Allen, he's going 1v1 on a tackle. He's not winning those battles. That has nothing to do with anything other than his lack of motivation and want to. He's not worth keeping. Let him go and bounce around like Yannick. He'll make money, but he's just another overpriced guy.
As far as the rest of the squad. There is potential there. But you need a good coach to get them in the right spots and focused on the right things. Look at what Pederson did with the Offense. We need a real coach to do the same for the guys on D.