I think Frangie is fine as play by play guy but I'm not a huge fan. Feels like this type of thread comes up at least once a year and I've said the same thing a few times now. It feels to me as though he is calling the plays as if he is a TV guy and not on the radio. And those are two different jobs. A radio guy needs to describe what is going on in a way that the listener can develop a clear picture of what is happening in real time. Whereas a TV guy doesnt need to do that because obviously the listener is watching along with the announcer. I don't think Frangie does a great job of explaining what is happening as the play unfolds. I remember one play where essentially the call was something along the lines of "Etienne takes the handoff, bounces it outside [voice is rising], jukes the defender [is sounding more excited], is fighting for yards along the sideline.... (long pause).... couldn't break free of that last tackle.... (another pause) ... and gets brought down back near the line of scrimmage". You're sitting there thinking Etienne may have just ripped off a long run, or at least got some positive yardage, and then finally after a couple pauses and the the play is over, you come to disappointed realization that Etienne must have been bottled up inside, he tried to bounce outside, and wasn't able to turn the corner. Same thing with passing plays at times. You're not always sure how far down the field Lawrence threw it, if the ball was completed short of the sticks or past the sticks, if the WR is now running past the sticks, etc.... It's as if during the play you'll get teasers of what is going on but then you have to wait for the big reveal when the play is finally over to be told what really happened.
In his defense I think there are a lot of radio play by play guys that aren't great at that. And there is definitely an art to it that separates the really great play by play guys from the ones who are just okay at it. Maybe that is a skill that can be learned over time but I'm sure like most things in life there are some that are just naturally gifted at it moreso than others. Definitely a story telling aspect to it but with an ability to do it in real time on the fly.
(12-21-2022, 10:14 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Frangie is fine as play by play guy but I'm not a huge fan. Feels like this type of thread comes up at least once a year and I've said the same thing a few times now. It feels to me as though he is calling the plays as if he is a TV guy and not on the radio. And those are two different jobs. A radio guy needs to describe what is going on in a way that the listener can develop a clear picture of what is happening in real time. Whereas a TV guy doesnt need to do that because obviously the listener is watching along with the announcer. I don't think Frangie does a great job of explaining what is happening as the play unfolds. I remember one play where essentially the call was something along the lines of "Etienne takes the handoff, bounces it outside [voice is rising], jukes the defender [is sounding more excited], is fighting for yards along the sideline.... (long pause).... couldn't break free of that last tackle.... (another pause) ... and gets brought down back near the line of scrimmage". You're sitting there thinking Etienne may have just ripped off a long run, or at least got some positive yardage, and then finally after a couple pauses and the the play is over, you come to disappointed realization that Etienne must have been bottled up inside, he tried to bounce outside, and wasn't able to turn the corner. Same thing with passing plays at times. You're not always sure how far down the field Lawrence threw it, if the ball was completed short of the sticks or past the sticks, if the WR is now running past the sticks, etc.... It's as if during the play you'll get teasers of what is going on but then you have to wait for the big reveal when the play is finally over to be told what really happened.
In his defense I think there are a lot of radio play by play guys that aren't great at that. And there is definitely an art to it that separates the really great play by play guys from the ones who are just okay at it. Maybe that is a skill that can be learned over time but I'm sure like most things in life there are some that are just naturally gifted at it moreso than others. Definitely a story telling aspect to it but with an ability to do it in real time on the fly.
You make good points regarding his inability to describe the actual play that is occurring to enable to listener to really know what is taking place. That said, I find his high pitched voice on exciting plays to be quite annoying as do I also find his stuttering sense of communication on normal plays to be equally annoying. He's pretty much light years away from Gene Deckerhoff and Mick Hubert and that's a real shame considering there are only 32 play by play broadcasters in the NFL and we get this guy. It should be an elite position in the field but we pretty much got the equivalent to the CFO of Enron.
(12-21-2022, 05:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2022, 11:33 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]You should listen to the radio while at the game, otherwise you will miss a lot
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I tried that, but there's a big delay. You'll be hearing them call the previous play while the current play is happening.
Interesting, because i listened to the radio call of the Tacks game while watching, and the radio was ahead of the TV by about 12-14 seconds. So the delay from Live to TV must be even greater.
(12-20-2022, 10:11 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2022, 09:51 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]If she is not good, yeah send her to the sideline or off-air. Don't make this a sexism thing.
Good for her for going for her dream and achieving it. I'd be proud of her if I were her father. That said, I don't care to listen to her do play-by-play and would look for other broadcast options if she was doing a game I was interested in. As bad as Frangie is, I'd probably turn down the TV volume if she were doing a Jags away game and turn on the radio broadcast and try to sync it with the TV using timeslip on the DVR. I used to do that back in the day with Sexton sometimes because I preferred the radio broadcast to the network ones, but I'm not going out of my way for Frangie on the regular.
I liked the last broadcast I heard her do, some Mountain West game this year. I realized that for me it was mostly expectations of what an announced NFL game normally sounds like, and that's usually always a man broadcasting. I like her better than other female broadcasters I've heard tho; she's got a raspy quality, while others i've heard just sound too ...dare I say it?...feminine. Which just doesn't fit the basic nature of the sport.
One other thing about Frangie. He takes so damn long to tell you the yardage on a play, or whether it’s a first down or not. I shouldn’t be having to guess the yardage 5 seconds after a play ended.
“Trevor throws it deep…..……that’s gonna be…………………………………dropped.”
(12-19-2022, 04:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2022, 04:17 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I got weird questions like, where do you fill out an application for an announcer job?
What would your resume need to look like? I mean, if you sound good and know football, what’s stopping you.
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You go work at a radio or TV station or you start doing it while you're in broadcasting school. Most communications and journalism majors have an opportunity to go down that path. Your resume would be journalism, public relations, marketing or something similar. Example, Jags regular Andrew Catalon started out in newscasts and moved into college sports then kept branching out into other sports and leagues.
OR you could be like Frangie and have your buddy the station owner pay the big bucks to get you the gigs.
Frangie was a sportswriter for the Florida Times-Union before he went into broadcasting. He also has a journalism degree from Florida.
As for his broadcasting style, I think he feels much more natural-sounding when he isn't doing those "excited" radio calls. Much of it comes from what you listened to growing up. In the South, you get a lot of rah-rah announcing.
(12-21-2022, 11:36 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2022, 10:11 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Good for her for going for her dream and achieving it. I'd be proud of her if I were her father. That said, I don't care to listen to her do play-by-play and would look for other broadcast options if she was doing a game I was interested in. As bad as Frangie is, I'd probably turn down the TV volume if she were doing a Jags away game and turn on the radio broadcast and try to sync it with the TV using timeslip on the DVR. I used to do that back in the day with Sexton sometimes because I preferred the radio broadcast to the network ones, but I'm not going out of my way for Frangie on the regular.
I liked the last broadcast I heard her do, some Mountain West game this year. I realized that for me it was mostly expectations of what an announced NFL game normally sounds like, and that's usually always a man broadcasting. I like her better than other female broadcasters I've heard tho; she's got a raspy quality, while others i've heard just sound too ...dare I say it?...feminine. Which just doesn't fit the basic nature of the sport.
Sure, female broadcasters, like male broadcasters, are usually reading the news and it's not usually exciting.
We see fewer examples in media of females getting excited in a way that's not "OMG she's crazy let's leave" or "I'll have what she's having" but Mowins does it well. She reminds me a bit of the SGA sponsor we had at my high school. That lady was full of energy, a bigger cheerleader than the cheerleaders. Maybe it's not what we think of as trad fem but it's not masculine either. She's not my favorite sportscaster, and they all have bad days, but she's definitely better than Collinsworth or Dennis Miller.