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The coach/QB in 2022 would decimate the 2017 defense but the 2017 offense would score on the 2022s. I think the 2022 team wins it by a 31-17 type margin.

(12-29-2022, 12:19 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]2017 team would slap this team. That defense was different and the offense could still score.

Of course with Lawrence you never know, he could beat anybody playing the way he has been lately but overall talent wise? that 2017 team was something else.

You probably weren't actually around then but that 2017 team lost to some dog [BLEEP] teams down the stretch. The defense was opportunistic but was often smacked around by mobile QBs and quick passing attacks.
Bortles was jekyll and Hyde that year but even his great games weren't exceptional.

These Jags, especially the late season version, beats the 17 Jags and I think once the 22 Jags are up 14 the lead is insurmountable for BOAT and Lenny. Pull away and roll in the 4th with Ramsey gives up and the DL is tired for chasing Lawrence and Etienne and Agnew and Kirk and Engram around. 
'22 Jags 29
'17 Jags 10

the 2022 would just screen the 2017 jaguars to death or crossers in the middle in front of poz and Telvin.

the back end were good but Church and Gipson better than Jenkins and Cisco i don't think so.

2022 jags 35 to 2017 jags 17

(12-29-2022, 12:27 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]You probably weren't actually around then but that 2017 team lost to some dog [BLEEP] teams down the stretch. 

That isn't true.  They lost their last two games of the year both on the road.  First to the Niners who got really hot down the stretch once they started Jimmy G and no one could stop their offense.  Reeled off 5 or 6 straight wins to end the season.  And then we lost in the season finale to the Titans in a game that didnt mean anything to us as we had already locked up the division.  And the Titans were a playoff team so it's not as though they were bad.  If anything that 2017 team was worse earlier in the year as we started off 3-3 and then finished 7-3.  Only other loss in those last 10 games was at Arizona who finished 8-8 so it's not as though they were a terrible team either.

(12-29-2022, 01:11 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2022, 12:27 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]You probably weren't actually around then but that 2017 team lost to some dog [BLEEP] teams down the stretch. 

That isn't true.  They lost their last two games of the year both on the road.  First to the Niners who got really hot down the stretch once they started Jimmy G and no one could stop their offense.  Reeled off 5 or 6 straight wins to end the season.  And then we lost in the season finale to the Titans in a game that didnt mean anything to us as we had already locked up the division.  And the Titans were a playoff team so it's not as though they were bad.  If anything that 2017 team was worse earlier in the year as we started off 3-3 and then finished 7-3.  Only other loss in those last 10 games was at Arizona who finished 8-8 so it's not as though they were a terrible team either.

WE LOST TO BLAINE GABBART!

Even if they eventually went 15 - 1, that should never happen.

2017 was solid on offense and spectacular on defense plus had a lot of veteran players.

I'd go with 2017.

Even with how good the 17 defense was we still went 10-6. Despite not showing up in October this team is tracking for one less win.

That being said the 17 defense was truely special. It would come down to good Blake or bad Blake.

(12-29-2022, 01:11 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2022, 12:27 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]You probably weren't actually around then but that 2017 team lost to some dog [BLEEP] teams down the stretch. 

That isn't true.  They lost their last two games of the year both on the road.  First to the Niners who got really hot down the stretch once they started Jimmy G and no one could stop their offense.  Reeled off 5 or 6 straight wins to end the season.  And then we lost in the season finale to the Titans in a game that didnt mean anything to us as we had already locked up the division.  And the Titans were a playoff team so it's not as though they were bad.  If anything that 2017 team was worse earlier in the year as we started off 3-3 and then finished 7-3.  Only other loss in those last 10 games was at Arizona who finished 8-8 so it's not as though they were a terrible team either.

The Blaine Gabbert led Cardinals. If that team was legit they would have put those teams away. Boots cheeks man. That defense was good but definitely disappeared at times. And the offense was bit good enough to go toe to toe with Trevor and the boys.
Niners weren't a great team. Cards were average at best. You can n argue the semantics if you want but that 17 team wasn't as good as many of us want to remember it. The defense had some Dawgs but they still got beat by quick passing and mobile QBs that could avoid the rush.

The 2017 Jaguars were the 2021 Bengals of their respective years. Bengals made it to the big dance but this could be history repeating itself for this year's Jaguars. We garnered some over reactions early in the season when the team went on a small run and blew out some perceived "decent" teams. In typical Jagwire fashion we regressed into irrelevance through the middle stretch of the season. Now that we've gone on a more substantial run and back into playoff contention, people don't know what to expect from the 2022 Jacksonville Jaguars and that makes us dangerous and I am loving that. We just need the dub next week and we can dream of miracles again.

(12-29-2022, 12:53 PM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]the 2022 would just screen the 2017 jaguars to death or crossers in the middle in front of poz and Telvin.

(12-31-2022, 10:43 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]You can n argue the semantics if you want but that 17 team wasn't as good as many of us want to remember it. The defense had some Dawgs but they still got beat by quick passing and mobile QBs that could avoid the rush.

These are the reasons I said the 22 team could score as long as they handled the pressure. If you stopped the pressure from the 17 team, they fell part as the LBs weren't good in coverage and DBs can't cover for a long time no matter who they are.

The LBs didn't just forget how to play without Poz, they just were never great to begin with in coverage. Telvin and Miles had the same problems guessing run/pass, run fits and guessing on the hole, etc. They had a better DL and were able to use speed to overcome the coverage and other issues.

LBs that don't have to deal with OL are free to use their speed to make plays and the 17 defense did that well. The DL made the rest of the defense and they feasted on all the poor decisions made by the backup QBs.

The LB zone coverage gets exploited by Trevor as long as they don’t get immediate pressure.

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How the game would go would depend mostly on which Bortles showed up on that particular day and which version of the 2022 Jaguars they was playing (either the post-Bronco's version or earlier).

That 2017 defense was nasty. With ETN's propensity to fumble, I think they'd likely get 2 or 3 turnovers at least against the 2022 team. If Bortles had a big game like he tended to do about every 3rd game, then the 2022 team would win, probably comfortably. If Bortles was his more normal self and throwing passes to opposing DBs or bouncing passes off of his OL's heads, then 2022 would win, probably comfortably but the score would be much lower.