Well now first, thanks for the link. I read through that string and it was enlightening. I learned a lot.
1. There are a wide range of poster types on their site. Just like ours.
2. They collectively have know a bit less about football than what we have here.
3. One poster (named Bink?) is only a step or two from being a serial killer.
4 They feel entitled to be successful and are all deathly scared of the downward spiral their team is entering.
We should rock them Saturday and enhance the experience for them.
(01-04-2023, 11:41 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Well now first, thanks for the link. I read through that string and it was enlightening. I learned a lot.
1. There are a wide range of poster types on their site. Just like ours.
2. They collectively have know a bit less about football than what we have here.
3. One poster (named Bink?) is only a step or two from being a serial killer.
4 They feel entitled to be successful and are all deathly scared of the downward spiral their team is entering.
We should rock them Saturday and enhance the experience for them.
OMG, that's partially hilarious, and also quite concerning. I figure that one poster represents about 15% of that fanbase...
All I know is that it's time for the flaming tacks to finally get a taste of cellar dwelling. They have been too successfull for waaaaay too long.
That's sad. I always want to make the playoffs no matter what. I'm not ever hoping for a better draft pick.
Go jags!
They are demoralized. They see this is the end of their domination of the AFC SOUTH when we put our boot on their throat this Saturday. Reminds me of Athens when Rome was up and coming. They knew their days were numbered.
(01-04-2023, 10:52 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2023, 07:37 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, sounds like a bunch of folks around here, too.
I get the logic: Playoffs OR draft position, no in between. Sorry, just can't think that way, and I'm guessing there's not many players who make it to the NFL that think that way either.
Not true. Jags fans don't root for a loss when the playoffs are on the line. Who do you see rooting for a loss on this board?
It's been a while since the Jags were close to being in the same position as the Tacks are right now - backing into the playoffs with a team that will likely be eliminated in the first round. It was probably either 2010 or 2011. *
You were around back then, so I know you remember that guy that wanted the Jags to lose every game because he was hoping to be rid of Jack del Rio. He wasn't alone, either. Looking back, the team was actually overachieving.
The 2022 Jags aren't in the Tacks' current position. Even if the team loses, most of us will be disappointed for a month, the board will empty out until March, and we'll move on. Most of us realize the Jags exceeded expectations and quite a few of us are on the record as having expected a much worse season. Most of us realize that a Jags team that can't take down Sunday's Tack team has no business being in the playoffs anyways...
...but not all of us. I'd rather not find out, but I bet 20% of us will revert right back to the same damn negativity we see here after every loss. The same 20% that always do. If we were in the Tacks position, it would be 30% too.
*2010. It was the 8-8 2010 team that lost the last 3 games.
I have never understood fans of not just NFL teams, but sports teams in general, who want their team to tank or lose just to get a certain player the following season and/or select high. I always want my team to succeed and win the damn game, regardless of what may happen down the road. Wanting your team to lose or just not really caring either way, has never really made any sense to me; takes away from the point of being a fan. Yes I am glad we played bad enough to now have Trevor, but still hoped and cheered every single game that season hoping we would get the W.
(01-04-2023, 07:50 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]I have never understood fans of not just NFL teams, but sports teams in general, who want their team to tank or lose just to get a certain player the following season and/or select high. I always want my team to succeed and win the damn game, regardless of what may happen down the road. Wanting your team to lose or just not really caring either way, has never really made any sense to me; takes away from the point of being a fan. Yes I am glad we played bad enough to now have Trevor, but still hoped and cheered every single game that season hoping we would get the W.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
Think the jets fans are happy about a couple of meaningless wins at the end of the 2020 season?
(01-04-2023, 07:56 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 07:50 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]I have never understood fans of not just NFL teams, but sports teams in general, who want their team to tank or lose just to get a certain player the following season and/or select high. I always want my team to succeed and win the damn game, regardless of what may happen down the road. Wanting your team to lose or just not really caring either way, has never really made any sense to me; takes away from the point of being a fan. Yes I am glad we played bad enough to now have Trevor, but still hoped and cheered every single game that season hoping we would get the W.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
Think the jets fans are happy about a couple of meaningless wins at the end of the 2020 season?
Again, I don't see the point of actively rooting for your team to lose; makes no sense to me. I understand I may be in the minority in this thinking.
(01-04-2023, 07:56 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 07:50 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]I have never understood fans of not just NFL teams, but sports teams in general, who want their team to tank or lose just to get a certain player the following season and/or select high. I always want my team to succeed and win the damn game, regardless of what may happen down the road. Wanting your team to lose or just not really caring either way, has never really made any sense to me; takes away from the point of being a fan. Yes I am glad we played bad enough to now have Trevor, but still hoped and cheered every single game that season hoping we would get the W.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
Think the jets fans are happy about a couple of meaningless wins at the end of the 2020 season?
I get it, it's ok to be happy about draft position after the fact but to actually root for another team to beat the Jags? Never.
(01-04-2023, 08:13 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 07:56 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
Think the jets fans are happy about a couple of meaningless wins at the end of the 2020 season?
I get it, it's ok to be happy about draft position after the fact but to actually root for another team to beat the Jags? Never.
It all depends on what game you're focused on. Some people get focused on the meaningless game at the end of a losing season, and some people focus on the bigger picture of getting a generational QB talent.
I, for one, was rooting for the Jaguars to get the first overall pick that season even though that meant wanting a bad team to go ahead and lose a couple more games.
(01-04-2023, 08:03 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 07:56 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
Think the jets fans are happy about a couple of meaningless wins at the end of the 2020 season?
Again, I don't see the point of actively rooting for your team to lose; makes no sense to me. I understand I may be in the minority in this thinking.
Short term loss for much larger longer term benefit if you hit on the pick.
Honestly... I am tired of being tired and this season has been a nice turn around. I remember the 1999 team and walking out of the stadium after the third loss, you could tell it was over.
In 2017, it didn't feel like a team moving to dominance.
This seems different because the coaching matches the QB and it is moving.
Win or lose the arrow is finally pointing up.
I can't get mad at fans for wanting to lose for better draft position when you're firmly out of the playoffs AND need a QB.
I can't even fathom wanting to lose when you have a solid shot at the playoffs much less a win/in game.
There has only been one season ever when I was OK with losing out after the bye.
And it got us Lawrence.
Other than that situation, win, win, win at all costs and let the chips fall where they may. The draft guarantees nothing.
Its so rare that you have a chance at the best QB prospect in a decade+ coinciding with the worst flame-out of a coaching hire in as much time - that may never be seen again.
Just Win. Draft position can be bargained. Anything else is spineless. `
(01-05-2023, 01:30 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly... I am tired of being tired and this season has been a nice turn around. I remember the 1999 team and walking out of the stadium after the third loss, you could tell it was over.
In 2017, it didn't feel like a team moving to dominance.
This seems different because the coaching matches the QB and it is moving.
Win or lose the arrow is finally pointing up.
As much as I loved the 2017 team, you could tell that it wasn't going to be a long term thing. I figured a couple years at least, not just the one, but you're right, it never felt like the future was secure like it does now. Right now, I know and expect playoffs for the foreseeable future. In 2017 it felt like we just caught lightning in a bottle.
(01-04-2023, 08:03 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 07:56 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification
Think the jets fans are happy about a couple of meaningless wins at the end of the 2020 season?
Again, I don't see the point of actively rooting for your team to lose; makes no sense to me. I understand I may be in the minority in this thinking.
I wouldn't call it rooting to lose, but there was a lot of acceptance and contentment when we didn't sneak in a few meaningless wins. Big picture thinking.
I never wanted 41-0 shellackings, but was fine if we fell short by a tuddie or so. I think more than rooting to lose, it was realizing that the squad was simply too limited to expect a consistent winner. The team played without discipline, without confidence, and when they fell short, you kinda saw it coming.
What a difference a year or two makes. That confidence and camaraderie are what keep us in the games, whether they're close losses, surprising wins, or absolute beatdowns.
(01-05-2023, 09:39 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 08:03 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I don't see the point of actively rooting for your team to lose; makes no sense to me. I understand I may be in the minority in this thinking.
I wouldn't call it rooting to lose, but there was a lot of acceptance and contentment when we didn't sneak in a few meaningless wins. Big picture thinking.
I never wanted 41-0 shellackings, but was fine if we fell short by a tuddie or so. I think more than rooting to lose, it was realizing that the squad was simply too limited to expect a consistent winner. The team played without discipline, without confidence, and when they fell short, you kinda saw it coming.
What a difference a year or two makes. That confidence and camaraderie are what keep us in the games, whether they're close losses, surprising wins, or absolute beatdowns.
That's the difference between chess and checkers..
You have to plan out your moves and sometimes you have to sacrifice a few pawns to get the King and Queen. Winning Trevor was a game of chess, while the Jets were playing checkers.
I am sick of those days where we're just hoping for draft picks. If Tennessee wins they will be destroyed by whoever they play with their third string QB. We have our franchise QB lets see how far he can take us. Draft BAP and go from there.
I wanted us to lose games in order to get Trevor Lawrence. If losing meaningless games can get you a franchise quarterback that the team desperately needs for the future, then I'm 100% on board.
If you put aside the quarterback, I can understand a fan still wanting to lose if you are eliminated from the playoffs. Personally, I typically still want the team to win out, but I'm also not overly disappointment if they lose a close game in that scenario.
To want to lose when the playoffs, the division title and a home playoff game are on the line, I find that insane.
(01-04-2023, 08:31 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 08:13 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]I get it, it's ok to be happy about draft position after the fact but to actually root for another team to beat the Jags? Never.
It all depends on what game you're focused on. Some people get focused on the meaningless game at the end of a losing season, and some people focus on the bigger picture of getting a generational QB talent.
I, for one, was rooting for the Jaguars to get the first overall pick that season even though that meant wanting a bad team to go ahead and lose a couple more games.
The problem with rooting for the number one pick is it's never a sure thing. The past is littered with early draft picks who never measured up. We thankfully got one that worked out. Nevertheless, I won't root for my team to lose even though I was glad it ultimately resulted in us getting Trevor. If you're always focused on the future, unless you're team is winning Superbowls, you're always rooting for them to lose.