(01-18-2023, 08:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 07:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Vic always said if a team gets hot at the right moment, that’s all it takes to have a shot at the Super Bowl.
yeah, that's all it takes.
That, and hitting on a 1st round QB that turns out to be a top ten talent, and hitting dead on the [BLEEP] nails with 5 free agent signings, and drafting 9 starters in two years, and having an owner that will spend a historic amount in free agency to jumpstart a sagging rebuild.
That's all it takes, Vic.
I'll be glad when the ghost of Vic Ketchman is long gone. Always thought he was half full of [BLEEP].
getting hot doesn't happen by accident
It goes without saying that the team has to have a baseline of ability that allows it to get into the playoffs.
Vic was fond of the gospel of maximizing the number of opportunities over attempting to maximize for just one opportunity. In that regard I think he's right. It's better to be a good team that always makes the playoffs and keeps a clean cap than to be like the Rams.
(01-18-2023, 08:42 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 08:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, that's all it takes.
That, and hitting on a 1st round QB that turns out to be a top ten talent, and hitting dead on the [BLEEP] nails with 5 free agent signings, and drafting 9 starters in two years, and having an owner that will spend a historic amount in free agency to jumpstart a sagging rebuild.
That's all it takes, Vic.
I'll be glad when the ghost of Vic Ketchman is long gone. Always thought he was half full of [BLEEP].
getting hot doesn't happen by accident
It goes without saying that the team has to have a baseline of ability that allows it to get into the playoffs.
Vic was fond of the gospel of maximizing the number of opportunities over attempting to maximize for just one opportunity. In that regard I think he's right. It's better to be a good team that always makes the playoffs and keeps a clean cap than to be like the Rams.
This. He didn’t mean literally that’s all it takes. He meant you do your best to build a sustainable roster that consistently makes the playoffs over a few seasons and gets hot, rather then go all in on the poker table like the rams did
(01-18-2023, 08:42 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 08:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, that's all it takes.
That, and hitting on a 1st round QB that turns out to be a top ten talent, and hitting dead on the [BLEEP] nails with 5 free agent signings, and drafting 9 starters in two years, and having an owner that will spend a historic amount in free agency to jumpstart a sagging rebuild.
That's all it takes, Vic.
I'll be glad when the ghost of Vic Ketchman is long gone. Always thought he was half full of [BLEEP].
getting hot doesn't happen by accident
It goes without saying that the team has to have a baseline of ability that allows it to get into the playoffs.
Vic was fond of the gospel of maximizing the number of opportunities over attempting to maximize for just one opportunity. In that regard I think he's right. It's better to be a good team that always makes the playoffs and keeps a clean cap than to be like the Rams.
Preaching basic roster sustainability is not the same as what I quoted and commented on.
(01-18-2023, 09:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 08:42 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]It goes without saying that the team has to have a baseline of ability that allows it to get into the playoffs.
Vic was fond of the gospel of maximizing the number of opportunities over attempting to maximize for just one opportunity. In that regard I think he's right. It's better to be a good team that always makes the playoffs and keeps a clean cap than to be like the Rams.
Preaching basic roster sustainability is not the same as what I quoted and commented on.
I understand your point as well. The VIC'isms haven't worked out for this franchise because they never got to the sustain and take multiple shots stage. Weave felt pressured to go for broke twice and Khan hasn't really been there yet.
Vic was really promoting the stability of the Steeler approach. They really are a top of the league model. We just never got to where we could sniff at making that work.
(01-18-2023, 09:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 08:42 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]It goes without saying that the team has to have a baseline of ability that allows it to get into the playoffs.
Vic was fond of the gospel of maximizing the number of opportunities over attempting to maximize for just one opportunity. In that regard I think he's right. It's better to be a good team that always makes the playoffs and keeps a clean cap than to be like the Rams.
Preaching basic roster sustainability is not the same as what I quoted and commented on.
The irony of Vic is he undervalued players while also claiming players are what matter. He would say players not plays, or dime a dozen about receivers, then turn around and suggest the Jaguars should trade the rights to Trevor away for a bunch of draft picks rather than taking him.
Trevor will be the guy holding the window open for the Jaguars over the next 15 years. Gotta take an elite QB when he's staring you in the face. Without one a team won't be able to sustain winning over the long term.
Vic was certainly wrong about Trevor.
Picks for Trevor... that's certainly an interesting thought experiment. After this year, his value would never be higher. How many 1's do you think we could get? Not that it would matter, since whoever got him would likely be picking last each year.
W/O the turnovers against the Chargers, the outcome would remain the same but the score would more reflect the play of our defense. Within the first half of the game we were running curl type routes of which allowed Asante to literally Mug our receivers and get away w/it.
Within the second half of the game we corrected this and ran Post routs and Asante and Co. couldn't keep up w/our receivers. We recognized that the refs were letting us play by not acknowledging certain would be penalties. Game On. WE WIN.
NH3...
(01-18-2023, 08:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 07:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Vic always said if a team gets hot at the right moment, that’s all it takes to have a shot at the Super Bowl.
yeah, that's all it takes.
That, and hitting on a 1st round QB that turns out to be a top ten talent, and hitting dead on the [BLEEP] nails with 5 free agent signings, and drafting 9 starters in two years, and having an owner that will spend a historic amount in free agency to jumpstart a sagging rebuild.
That's all it takes, Vic.
I'll be glad when the ghost of Vic Ketchman is long gone. Always thought he was half full of [BLEEP].
getting hot doesn't happen by accident
You and me both, my friend. I couldn't say it better myself
(01-18-2023, 02:08 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2023, 01:53 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We've turned the ball over 12 times in the last 5 games. But we won them all anyway. Of course, 5 of those 12 were against the Chargers.
During those last few games, a lot of people said we were dominating teams that had no quarterback. But then the last game, they had a very highly regarded quarterback, Justin Herbert. We even gifted them 5 turnovers and still won the game.
All of which brings me to the big question: are we actually better than we seem to be? For example, if we hadn't had a -5 turnover margin against the Chargers, what would the score have been? After we quit turning the ball over, we were unstoppable.
I can't read anyone else's mind on this, of course, but I'm starting to think maybe I'm underrating this team.
Duh? 42-10 BOOM!!
Seriously though. Any team should be afraid of a Jags team that is firing on all cylinders for the entire game.
To this layman it seems like either the offense or the defense shows up for a game. There are a few exceptions like Week 3 against the Chargers, but overall it seems to me that our wins have happened because one side of the ball has played great when the other has struggled. Seems like this has been the case for most of our games for the past four years.
If both sides play up to their potential, it feels like we should be able to compete with anyone in this league.