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I would love to get a top pass rusher on a one year prove it deal.

He needs to do what Gene Smith did.  Open a bottle of Jack Daniels and watch YouTube videos of William & Mary, Louisiana Tech, Central Arkansas, Murray State Southern Illinois, James Madison, Mount Union, Lehigh, Middle Tennessee State, Temple, Rice, Liberty, Nebraska-Omaha and get rid of any SEC players on this team.

You may laugh but Gene Smith drafted 13 players from the universities listed above (of a total of 20 players selected) in the 2009-2010-2011 drafts and for a few years, the Jags were the only team to NOT have a single SEC player on the team.

(02-17-2023, 12:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2023, 11:24 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]They will be going conservative bc Lawrence’s deal will be renewed next season. It will be the richest contract in franchise NFL history.

Don't kid yourselves, Shad about to open the checkbook for his 2 time Superb Owl winning QB.

You’re probably right. It could easily be one of the top 5-10 richest contracts in NFL history. I hope they lock him up for 10 years like KC did with Mahome Boy.

Mahommes got 10 years for $450Million.

Kyler Murray got 5 years for 230.5Milllion.

Watson got 5 years with $230M fully guaranteed with $230M fully guaranteed. Crazy money.

Dak got 4 years for $160Million.

Christian Kirk just got paid 4 years for $72Mill. And then once they get Lawrence secured, they have to figure out Etienne and Campbell.

When the time comes they have to figure out Etienne and Campbell. They better extend Campbell as soon as they can bc his price is going up as we speak.

(02-17-2023, 11:24 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]They will be going conservative bc Lawrence’s deal will be renewed next season. It will be the richest contract in franchise history.

First round picks get a 4-year deal + a 1-year option at the sole discretion of the team.  As such, TL really has a 5 year deal.  That means they will likely extend the contract a the end of year 4 (with 1 year remaining) so he really has 2 more years at this rookie price.

The next 2 years represent a fantastic opportunity to push for the super bowl. I would push some chips in and go for success now. I am not worried about losing Tlaw or failing to sign him after year 4. There is no possibility that he will walk.

I would cut Griffin
I would entertain trade offers for RRH
Restructure Kirk
I would let Taylor go or if possible attempt to transition tag. If he plays out the tag with strong results he would be resigned the next year with Cam likely being cut or traded.

100% resign Engram
Try to bring back Key
Try to bring back Smoot on a rehab 2 year deal
Bring back Patterson since he will be cheap
Consider Wingard, Herndon, Gotsis, Hasty, Manhertz on depth deals

Extend Allen with a deal that is team friendly, but short enough to give him a second chance at FA if he blows up.

Fill depth in FA, but unlikely to make upgrades due to cap space

Target OG, backup T, IDL, TE, CB, S, backup RB in the draft. However, this should be a good year to stick with best available player. Other than nickel CB, I don’t think we need to get significant snaps out of this class.

(02-17-2023, 01:16 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]He needs to do what Gene Smith did.  Open a bottle of Jack Daniels and watch YouTube videos of William & Mary, Louisiana Tech, Central Arkansas, Murray State Southern Illinois, James Madison, Mount Union, Lehigh, Middle Tennessee State, Temple, Rice, Liberty, Nebraska-Omaha and get rid of any SEC players on this team.

You may laugh but Gene Smith drafted 13 players from the universities listed above (of a total of 20 players selected) in the 2009-2010-2011 drafts and for a few years, the Jags were the only team to NOT have a single SEC player on the team.

Gene Smith always struck me as more of a white wine and molly kind of guy.  What's he up to now, I wonder...

(02-17-2023, 06:17 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]The next 2 years represent a fantastic opportunity to push for the super bowl.  I would push some chips in and go for success now.  I am not worried about losing Tlaw or failing to sign him after year 4.  There is no possibility that he will walk.

I would cut Griffin
I would entertain trade offers for RRH
Restructure Kirk
I would let Taylor go or if possible attempt to transition tag.  If he plays out the tag with strong results he would be resigned the next year with Cam likely being cut or traded.

100% resign Engram
Try to bring back Key
Try to bring back Smoot on a rehab 2 year deal
Bring back Patterson since he will be cheap
Consider Wingard, Herndon, Gotsis, Hasty, Manhertz on depth deals

Extend Allen with a deal that is team friendly, but short enough to give him a second chance at FA if he blows up.

Fill depth in FA, but unlikely to make upgrades due to cap space

Target OG, backup T, IDL, TE, CB, S, backup RB in the draft.  However, this should be a good year to stick with best available player.  Other than nickel CB, I don’t think we need to get significant snaps out of this class.

I’m glad you recognized Riley Patterson as a player to bring back. I think he has a chance to become the best kicker in franchise history. He made some big time kicks this year. I like him bc he makes the ones we gotta have. 

I would also agree with pushing the chips in but just make sure we have enough in reserves when we have to pony up for #16 bc he’s probably going to cost you 20%-22% of the cap when he comes due. 

Taylor, Smith, and Boselli came through before the internet days, MJD was a media darling, Campbell was on the backend of his career. Ramsey could have been considered one but not really…especially after that KC game in 2018…but Trevor Lawrence is the first Superstar player we’ve ever had. I’m not sure where I’m going with this, I just want Lawrence to be happy and players always want to feel taken care of by their team. 

Guys like Tyreek Hill come to mind when the money ain’t right, they will find it elsewhere. The Chiefs offered Hill something like $25 million and then Miami offered him $72 million GUARANTEED! 

Don’t kid yourself - It’s always about the money. All that stuff about keeping the family happy, the wife happy, the kids, staying with your team that drafted you…none of that matters. Don’t ever kid yourself, it’s only about the money. These guys play for a short period of time and then real life kicks in around age 30 for all the guys that don’t play QB. 

Every player in the league came from a different team when they were drafted or signed. Even rookies, because they come from a college team. None of them are bound to any team. We as fans always say well I think so and so will give a hometown discount. They never give a discount bc this is a business, and every player has a value. 

I don’t know why I went so deep into this, but I just want my Jaguars to make sure they have a plan with Lawrence. He’s the guy that can bring this city a Super Bowl Championship and build us a new stadium. With guys like him, Mahommes, Herbert, the Mannings, the Bradys, Rothlisbergers, Elways, etc. as long as you have an elite QB, you have a chance to win the ultimate prize every season. 

Guys like Ramsey ain’t going to bring a city a championship, so I’m good with the front office cutting ties with a player that just wants out. Ramsey brought a brinks truck to training camp and he didn’t get his money. That’s the real reason he wanted out, not bc of an argument between 2 grown men. I know it’s a team sport, but an elite QB is what can get you to the playoffs every year with a chance to win.

And let’s be real, nothing matters except what that signing bonus/guaranteed amount says on that contract. Those incentive type contracts are for your role players/backups bc they ain’t getting the big paydays.

If they mishandle Lawrence’s deal this fan base will never forgive Khan. Lawrence was the most important draft pick in team history and next year or the year after he will be paid the biggest contract any Jaguars player has ever heard of and it might even be the richest deal in NFL history, who knows.

Yeah if Trevor has a big year, then I agree lock him up longterm.

(02-17-2023, 04:36 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2023, 12:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Don't kid yourselves, Shad about to open the checkbook for his 2 time Superb Owl winning QB.

You’re probably right. It could easily be one of the top 5-10 richest contracts in NFL history. I hope they lock him up for 10 years like KC did with Mahome Boy.

Mahommes got 10 years for $450Million.

Kyler Murray got 5 years for 230.5Milllion.

Watson got 5 years with $230M fully guaranteed with $230M fully guaranteed. Crazy money.

Dak got 4 years for $160Million.

Christian Kirk just got paid 4 years for $72Mill. And then once they get Lawrence secured, they have to figure out Etienne and Campbell.

When the time comes they have to figure out Etienne and Campbell. They better extend Campbell as soon as they can bc his price is going up as we speak.

There's nothing to figure out when it comes to ETN. It's one of the easiest decisions in the world. You simply don't sign RBs to big contracts.

He was a 1st round pick so he's eligible for a 5th year option. At the very least, he plays his 4 year contract and moves on. If he's still riding hot going into year 4, you exercise the 5th year option. If he's still killing it during the 5th year, you tag him for one year and then let him walk. He'd then be pushing 29 years old which is typically where RBs completely fall off a cliff.

He may not like it, but that's the nature of his position. You draft em, use them up and let them go. Repeat.

(02-17-2023, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence is eligible for a new deal in March of 2024

Those expecting to wait until 2026 may be in for a shock if both parties decide to lock him up asap

It could happen

It probably does happen next off-season.

I don't really want to resign Taylor but if they feel like he can continue to improve then it would be nice to resign him. Taylor has All Pro potential if he can get back to run blocking like he did in college. I could see them resigning Taylor and cutting Cam next year.

(02-17-2023, 09:33 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2023, 04:36 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]You’re probably right. It could easily be one of the top 5-10 richest contracts in NFL history. I hope they lock him up for 10 years like KC did with Mahome Boy.

Mahommes got 10 years for $450Million.

Kyler Murray got 5 years for 230.5Milllion.

Watson got 5 years with $230M fully guaranteed with $230M fully guaranteed. Crazy money.

Dak got 4 years for $160Million.

Christian Kirk just got paid 4 years for $72Mill. And then once they get Lawrence secured, they have to figure out Etienne and Campbell.

When the time comes they have to figure out Etienne and Campbell. They better extend Campbell as soon as they can bc his price is going up as we speak.

There's nothing to figure out when it comes to ETN. It's one of the easiest decisions in the world. You simply don't sign RBs to big contracts.

He was a 1st round pick so he's eligible for a 5th year option. At the very least, he plays his 4 year contract and moves on. If he's still riding hot going into year 4, you exercise the 5th year option. If he's still killing it during the 5th year, you tag him for one year and then let him walk. He'd then be pushing 29 years old which is typically where RBs completely fall off a cliff.

He may not like it, but that's the nature of his position. You draft em, use them up and let them go. Repeat.

Man I already wrote too long of a post. But yes this.

And to add to the post above, there’s no way under the sun the team would wait until 2026 to pay Lawrence. NYC is right, the team will be looking to lock him up as soon as next March.

(02-17-2023, 06:17 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]The next 2 years represent a fantastic opportunity to push for the super bowl.  I would push some chips in and go for success now.  I am not worried about losing Tlaw or failing to sign him after year 4.  There is no possibility that he will walk.

I would cut Griffin
I would entertain trade offers for RRH
Restructure Kirk
I would let Taylor go or if possible attempt to transition tag.  If he plays out the tag with strong results he would be resigned the next year with Cam likely being cut or traded.

100% resign Engram
Try to bring back Key
Try to bring back Smoot on a rehab 2 year deal
Bring back Patterson since he will be cheap
Consider Wingard, Herndon, Gotsis, Hasty, Manhertz on depth deals

Extend Allen with a deal that is team friendly, but short enough to give him a second chance at FA if he blows up.

Fill depth in FA, but unlikely to make upgrades due to cap space

Target OG, backup T, IDL, TE, CB, S, backup RB in the draft.  However, this should be a good year to stick with best available player.  Other than nickel CB, I don’t think we need to get significant snaps out of this class.

I'm in agreement with most of your recommendations. The only thing I don't agree with is that nickel is the only position in which we need to get immediate improvement (via draft picks/free agents) from. The pass rush (from IDL or Edge) needs to improve significantly and we can't expect Walker to become an 8-10 sack guy based on his rookie season. Drafting an Edge or IDL in the 1st 3 rounds with the intent of getting an immediate upgrade in pass rush should be a goal of this draft. The same can be said of the guard position. I'm not sure that they are sold on Bartch and we can expect Schereff to miss some games every year due to injury. At the least, I'd want them to draft a guard who is capable of playing immediately in case Bartch continues to disappoint or continues to be injury-prone. Due to the nature of the position, it's possible they could find this guy as late as round 4, but I wouldn't be averse to finding an immediate upgrade like Torrence in round 1.

(02-16-2023, 10:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Spend up to the cap.  Feel free to push free agent money out to 2025.  2026 is when TLaw gets his big contract.  Don't push big free agent money into 2026 or any year after.  Don't go too crazy in the draft.  The goal should be finding 4 starters in every draft.

Goal sure, but expectation?

I would be surprised if there are even 20 teams who have found 4 quality starters in 1 draft in the last 10 years, much less do it in repeated seasons. And I'm not including guys who are given the starting role in order to develop be didn't really prove they deserved it until like end of year 2/beginning year 3.

I’m hoping for the best. Balkies moves will be crucial.

Griffin is an easy cut.  Engram is the free agent priority, but I try to sign as many of the others (excluding MJJ) that I can.  Initially, I thought Taylor was all but gone.  However, I then learned that we're $76 million under the cap in 2024.  We can also save another $34 million if we want in 2024 by cutting Robinson and Scherff next year.  As such, I restructure contracts to move money from the 2023 cap to the 2024 cap.  We can free up space in 2023 and still be comfortably under the cap in 2024 with having minimal impact on 2025.  I also extend Josh Allen.  His price will go up if we wait until next year.

As for the draft, left guard seems like the most likely choice in the first round if I were drafting.  If Torrence isn't available, maybe get one of the tackles who can also play guard.  We need a pass rusher too, but it appears to be a deep draft for them, so we can likely still get a good one in the second round.  We also need a nickel cornerback. The good news continues in that it is a deep draft for cornerback and we also only need a slot cornerback which is easier to find.  This pick makes a lot of sense in the third round.  I do think Dan Arnold is one player who is likely not to be back, so a 4th round pick on a tight end for depth and two tight end sets makes sense here.  If we don't resign Taylor or another free agent, a swing tackle should be the other 4th round pick.  If we do resign Taylor, there's a lot of different directions we could go with the pick.

This positions us very well.  We were a playoff team in 2022 and would return almost all of our starters.  Calvin Ridley upgrades MJJ.  We upgrade starting left guard and have more depth with Bartch moving to backup.  We add a pass rusher.  We have the full season with Williams at outside corner.  We upgrade nickel back.  We hopefully have Trevor Lawrence playing the full year like he did in the second half of last year.  Actually, I think he can continue to develop and play even better.  Our 2022 rookies and other young players including Travon Walker, Devin Llloyd and Luke Fortner hopefully continue to develop.  We also have most of the team returning for a second year under Doug Pederson's system.  This is a team that can go far.

We would also return most of our starters for 2024.  We would need to extend Ridley, RRH and Hamilton if we still want them.  We would lose Cam Robinson.  However, if we resign Taylor, Little moves to the left and Taylor plays right.  If we don't resign Taylor, Little still moves to the left.  We would still need a right tackle, but right tackles can be found.  Use our first round pick on it, if needed.  We would also need a guard assuming we cut Scherff, but that is non-premium position that isn't hard to find.    

We would also maintain a lot of flexibility in 2025 and beyond with not a lot of players under contracts with the exception of players on rookie deals and some of the free agents re-signed in 2023/2024.

The future is bright.....

(02-18-2023, 03:20 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Griffin is an easy cut.  Engram is the free agent priority, but I try to sign as many of the others (excluding MJJ) that I can.  Initially, I thought Taylor was all but gone.  However, I then learned that we're $76 million under the cap in 2024.  We can also save another $34 million if we want in 2024 by cutting Robinson and Scherff next year.  As such, I restructure contracts to move money from the 2023 cap to the 2024 cap.  We can free up space in 2023 and still be comfortably under the cap in 2024 with having minimal impact on 2025.  I also extend Josh Allen.  His price will go up if we wait until next year.

As for the draft, left guard seems like the most likely choice in the first round if I were drafting.  If Torrence isn't available, maybe get one of the tackles who can also play guard.  We need a pass rusher too, but it appears to be a deep draft for them, so we can likely still get a good one in the second round.  We also need a nickel cornerback. The good news continues in that it is a deep draft for cornerback and we also only need a slot cornerback which is easier to find.  This pick makes a lot of sense in the third round.  I do think Dan Arnold is one player who is likely not to be back, so a 4th round pick on a tight end for depth and two tight end sets makes sense here.  If we don't resign Taylor or another free agent, a swing tackle should be the other 4th round pick.  If we do resign Taylor, there's a lot of different directions we could go with the pick.

This positions us very well.  We were a playoff team in 2022 and would return almost all of our starters.  Calvin Ridley upgrades MJJ.  We upgrade starting left guard and have more depth with Bartch moving to backup.  We add a pass rusher.  We have the full season with Williams at outside corner.  We upgrade nickel back.  We hopefully have Trevor Lawrence playing the full year like he did in the second half of last year.  Actually, I think he can continue to develop and play even better.  Our 2022 rookies and other young players including Travon Walker, Devin Llloyd and Luke Fortner hopefully continue to develop.  We also have most of the team returning for a second year under Doug Pederson's system.  This is a team that can go far.

We would also return most of our starters for 2024.  We would need to extend Ridley, RRH and Hamilton if we still want them.  We would lose Cam Robinson.  However, if we resign Taylor, Little moves to the left and Taylor plays right.  If we don't resign Taylor, Little still moves to the left.  We would still need a right tackle, but right tackles can be found.  Use our first round pick on it, if needed.  We would also need a guard assuming we cut Scherff, but that is non-premium position that isn't hard to find.    

We would also maintain a lot of flexibility in 2025 and beyond with not a lot of players under contracts with the exception of players on rookie deals and some of the free agents re-signed in 2023/2024.

The future is bright.....

Very nice breakdown. I was not aware of the favorable cap situation in 2024

(02-18-2023, 02:20 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in agreement with most of your recommendations. The only thing I don't agree with is that nickel is the only position in which we need to get immediate improvement (via draft picks/free agents) from. The pass rush (from IDL or Edge) needs to improve significantly and we can't expect Walker to become an 8-10 sack guy based on his rookie season. Drafting an Edge or IDL in the 1st 3 rounds with the intent of getting an immediate upgrade in pass rush should be a goal of this draft. The same can be said of the guard position. I'm not sure that they are sold on Bartch and we can expect Schereff to miss some games every year due to injury. At the least, I'd want them to draft a guard who is capable of playing immediately in case Bartch continues to disappoint or continues to be injury-prone. Due to the nature of the position, it's possible they could find this guy as late as round 4, but I wouldn't be averse to finding an immediate upgrade like Torrence in round 1.

I do agree with you IDL point. I would lean that way if we see multiple players with close grades. I just don’t see the need to force a pick or a trade up if they aren’t BAP.

Similar situation with OG. If they aren’t sold on Bartch, Shatley can do OK there. Happy to get an upgrade of course!

CB really does NEED to be addressed before we get into next year. Maybe we get lucky and Brown grows into the role.

(02-18-2023, 03:54 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-18-2023, 02:20 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in agreement with most of your recommendations. The only thing I don't agree with is that nickel is the only position in which we need to get immediate improvement (via draft picks/free agents) from. The pass rush (from IDL or Edge) needs to improve significantly and we can't expect Walker to become an 8-10 sack guy based on his rookie season. Drafting an Edge or IDL in the 1st 3 rounds with the intent of getting an immediate upgrade in pass rush should be a goal of this draft. The same can be said of the guard position. I'm not sure that they are sold on Bartch and we can expect Schereff to miss some games every year due to injury. At the least, I'd want them to draft a guard who is capable of playing immediately in case Bartch continues to disappoint or continues to be injury-prone. Due to the nature of the position, it's possible they could find this guy as late as round 4, but I wouldn't be averse to finding an immediate upgrade like Torrence in round 1.

I do agree with you IDL point.  I would lean that way if we see multiple players with close grades.  I just don’t see the need to force a pick or a trade up if they aren’t BAP. 

Similar situation with OG.  If they aren’t sold on Bartch, Shatley can do OK there.  Happy to get an upgrade of course!

CB really does NEED to be addressed before we get into next year.  Maybe we get lucky and Brown grows into the role.

Yea, I'd never trade up or reach for a guy who clearly isn't BAP. Agreed that nickel is the most important upgrade and it wouldn't surprise me if they took a corner/nickel in round 1 because of that. There will definitely be several some very good ones to choose from at pick 24, although the group is so deep that quality cb's will also be available in round 3. I hope Buster Brown will develop into a nickel/cornerback that can be counted on in the future. We'll likely get that answer sometime during next season since most players improve most between years 1 and 2. As far as the guard position, there is no doubt that the Jaguars are fortunate to have someone like Shatley who is equally capable of filling in at center. I just feel that the offensive line needs to improve significantly-especially when it comes to run-blocking where they ranked at the bottom of all teams for most of the 2022 season. Not blaming this rating all on Shatley since others like Taylor were equally to blame. Imagine how much it would help the offense next season with a healthy Schereff and someone like Torrence opening up holes for Etienne. Trevor would become even more dangerous to defenses with a more balanced offense.