(04-01-2023, 01:17 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Would take Tony and Shad offering an olive branch and Ngakoue accepting - or vice versa.
No idea if the Khan's are keen to mend that fence or not.
He'd make sense though.
I'm assuming like Ramsey, Yannick biggest issue was the disrespect from Coughlin/Caldwell spending money on Bortles rather than them. But yeah, he'd be a nice upgrade for passing situations, wonder what kinda money he'd take tho.
Wasn't just Bortles (2018), they (I say they, but it was definitely Coughlin) then proceeded to double down the very next off season and sign Foles to one of the dumbest contracts ever and pay Myles Jack as well. That money should have went towards Ramsey and Yannick, but I don't blame them one bit for wanting out. Being low balled because the team wasted/gave away a bunch of money on bad QBs, but also because Coughlin was a complete jack [BLEEP].
(04-01-2023, 03:09 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ][quote="ChrisJagBoy" pid="1539468" dateline="1680326258"]
I'm assuming like Ramsey, Yannick biggest issue was the disrespect from Coughlin/Caldwell spending money on Bortles rather than them. But yeah, he'd be a nice upgrade for passing situations, wonder what kinda money he'd take tho.
Wasn't just Bortles (2018), they (I say they, but it was definitely Coughlin) then proceeded to double down the very next off season and sign Foles to one of the dumbest contracts ever and pay Myles Jack as well. That money should have went towards Ramsey and Yannick, but I don't blame them one bit for wanting out. Being low balled because the team wasted/gave away a bunch of money on bad QBs, but also because Coughlin was a complete jack [BLEEP].
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I got fooled by foles. I thought he was going to be a great fit. He was playing well before he got broken. I think it was the first game of the season if I remember right. Now, he just fell off huge.
(04-01-2023, 03:21 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2023, 03:09 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2023, 01:17 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I'm assuming like Ramsey, Yannick biggest issue was the disrespect from Coughlin/Caldwell spending money on Bortles rather than them. But yeah, he'd be a nice upgrade for passing situations, wonder what kinda money he'd take tho.
Wasn't just Bortles (2018), they (I say they, but it was definitely Coughlin) then proceeded to double down the very next off season and sign Foles to one of the dumbest contracts ever and pay Myles Jack as well. That money should have went towards Ramsey and Yannick, but I don't blame them one bit for wanting out. Being low balled because the team wasted/gave away a bunch of money on bad QBs, but also because Coughlin was a complete jack [BLEEP].
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I got fooled by foles. I thought he was going to be a great fit. He was playing well before he got broken. I think it was the first game of the season if I remember right. Now, he just fell off huge.
He was always fools gold to begin with and some of us saw/knew it. We called it out from the beginning, but the majority thought since he fluked his way into being the QB of a team who won the Super Bowl, that surely most mean he was good LOLOLOLOL.
You all know who you are.
(04-01-2023, 03:42 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He was always fools gold to begin with and some of us saw/knew it. We called it out from the beginning, but the majority thought since he fluked his way into being the QB of a team who won the Super Bowl, that surely most mean he was good LOLOLOLOL.
You all know who you are.
But…but…but he was Super Bowl MVP. We were idiots for not wanting Foles.
(04-01-2023, 03:42 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He was always fools gold to begin with and some of us saw/knew it. We called it out from the beginning, but the majority thought since he fluked his way into being the QB of a team who won the Super Bowl, that surely most mean he was good LOLOLOLOL.
You all know who you are.
I think the combo of Gabbert-Henne-Blake over the years, made a basic QB like Foles look appealing until he got here.
(04-01-2023, 01:17 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2023, 06:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Would take Tony and Shad offering an olive branch and Ngakoue accepting - or vice versa.
No idea if the Khan's are keen to mend that fence or not.
He'd make sense though.
I'm assuming like Ramsey, Yannick biggest issue was the disrespect from Coughlin/Caldwell spending money on Bortles rather than them. But yeah, he'd be a nice upgrade for passing situations, wonder what kinda money he'd take tho.
That may have played a role in Yannick wanting out, but the problem with him coming back is the twitter feud between he and Tony K that made things publicly ugly.
I'd love to see them mend the fence though. We could use some passing down rotation at edge.
The next free agent signing will be a veteran pass rusher. There are a dozen of them that are still free agents.
(04-02-2023, 05:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The next free agent signing will be a veteran pass rusher. There are a dozen of them that are still free agents.
I agree…if the price is right.
I’m going to name the next free agent signing Ralph.
(04-01-2023, 03:42 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He was always fools gold to begin with and some of us saw/knew it. We called it out from the beginning, but the majority thought since he fluked his way into being the QB of a team who won the Super Bowl, that surely most mean he was good LOLOLOLOL.
You all know who you are.
Hind sight is 20/20.
If he doesn't break his collarbone throwing that 40 yard dart to the corner of the endzone, there is no telling how his season would have gone.
It's tough to get your arm back in form after being in a sling for 6 weeks during the season. Plus all the drama with Minschew mania happening, throws a whole psychological spin on it too.
It ended up being worst case scenario for Foles.
I don't think he was that horrible of a decision. Fate doomed things with him to fail.
(04-02-2023, 09:43 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2023, 03:42 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He was always fools gold to begin with and some of us saw/knew it. We called it out from the beginning, but the majority thought since he fluked his way into being the QB of a team who won the Super Bowl, that surely most mean he was good LOLOLOLOL.
You all know who you are.
Hind sight is 20/20.
If he doesn't break his collarbone throwing that 40 yard dart to the corner of the endzone, there is no telling how his season would have gone.
It's tough to get your arm back in form after being in a sling for 6 weeks during the season. Plus all the drama with Minschew mania happening, throws a whole psychological spin on it too.
It ended up being worst case scenario for Foles.
I don't think he was that horrible of a decision. Fate doomed things with him to fail.
So what’s been his excuse since that year? He’s been horrible. The guy had one good stretch and made money off of it. It was a bad decision and I hated it as soon as they started talking about it…before the signing was even made.
(04-02-2023, 09:47 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2023, 09:43 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Hind sight is 20/20.
If he doesn't break his collarbone throwing that 40 yard dart to the corner of the endzone, there is no telling how his season would have gone.
It's tough to get your arm back in form after being in a sling for 6 weeks during the season. Plus all the drama with Minschew mania happening, throws a whole psychological spin on it too.
It ended up being worst case scenario for Foles.
I don't think he was that horrible of a decision. Fate doomed things with him to fail.
So what’s been his excuse since that year? He’s been horrible. The guy had one good stretch and made money off of it. It was a bad decision and I hated it as soon as they started talking about it…before the signing was even made.
He's had more than 1 good stretch. He had a season where he had 27 TDs and 2 Ints. He alo holds records for most TDs in a game, most consecutive completions in a game, and most NFL passer rating leader in a season. He's a system QB and he hasn't been the same since the injury. That bomb TD to Chark was pretty though when he got injured here.
(04-02-2023, 09:57 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2023, 09:47 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So what’s been his excuse since that year? He’s been horrible. The guy had one good stretch and made money off of it. It was a bad decision and I hated it as soon as they started talking about it…before the signing was even made.
He's had more than 1 good stretch. He had a season where he had 27 TDs and 2 Ints. He alo holds records for most TDs in a game, most consecutive completions in a game, and most NFL passer rating leader in a season. He's a system QB and he hasn't been the same since the injury. That bomb TD to Chark was pretty though when he got injured here.
If you say so.
I've always followed the Eagles since I grew up in Philly. He was good in a gimmick offense before NFL defenses adjusted to Kelly's system. Then was just bad, and considering retirement, for almost four years. Then he had one good stretch for about 5 games in 2017. Hell, he wasn't good in the playoff game against Atlanta in 2017 and they barely advanced, so you could almost say four goods games. The injury...sure, use that as an excuse but you would be incorrect. Never mind that his two (or less than 1 1/2) good years were pretty much outliers. He's just not that good and I hated even the possibility of signing him when it was first mentioned, and posted as much on this board. But we'll just go with your logic even though it's extremely flawed.
(04-01-2023, 11:32 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2023, 01:17 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I'm assuming like Ramsey, Yannick biggest issue was the disrespect from Coughlin/Caldwell spending money on Bortles rather than them. But yeah, he'd be a nice upgrade for passing situations, wonder what kinda money he'd take tho.
That may have played a role in Yannick wanting out, but the problem with him coming back is the twitter feud between he and Tony K that made things publicly ugly.
I'd love to see them mend the fence though. We could use some passing down rotation at edge.
Honestly, if the front office is petty enough to overlook a talented player because he had a twitter spat with a guy who is pretty irrelevant to the team and im sure is far too busy with his weekly wrestling TV show to care.. that's a problem.
(04-02-2023, 10:53 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2023, 09:57 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He's had more than 1 good stretch. He had a season where he had 27 TDs and 2 Ints. He alo holds records for most TDs in a game, most consecutive completions in a game, and most NFL passer rating leader in a season. He's a system QB and he hasn't been the same since the injury. That bomb TD to Chark was pretty though when he got injured here.
If you say so.
I've always followed the Eagles since I grew up in Philly. He was good in a gimmick offense before NFL defenses adjusted to Kelly's system. Then was just bad, and considering retirement, for almost four years. Then he had one good stretch for about 5 games in 2017. Hell, he wasn't good in the playoff game against Atlanta in 2017 and they barely advanced, so you could almost say four goods games. The injury...sure, use that as an excuse but you would be incorrect. Never mind that his two (or less than 1 1/2) good years were pretty much outliers. He's just not that good and I hated even the possibility of signing him when it was first mentioned, and posted as much on this board. But we'll just go with your logic even though it's extremely flawed.
I think the reason we went with Foles is because the team thought we still had the ability to play good defense, even tho they fell off a bit in 18 most of those guys were still here, and Fournette was basically our offense. I'm assuming they just thought, hey we did a lot with a literal bum at QB, maybe this average guy who recently had some success could thrive on this absurdly talented roster..
Even tho it was pretty clear the wheels were already falling off from that 2017 roster.
(04-03-2023, 12:11 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2023, 11:32 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That may have played a role in Yannick wanting out, but the problem with him coming back is the twitter feud between he and Tony K that made things publicly ugly.
I'd love to see them mend the fence though. We could use some passing down rotation at edge.
Honestly, if the front office is petty enough to overlook a talented player because he had a twitter spat with a guy who is pretty irrelevant to the team and im sure is far too busy with his weekly wrestling TV show to care.. that's a problem.
As usual - you are trying to alter what was actually said.
No one said jack [BLEEP] about overlooking a talented player. You think Ngakoue isn't on their radar?
I'm sure he is.
What I said was that there would have to be a resolution between OWNERSHIP (not "front office") and the player.
It isn't a big deal and easily doable. Ngakoue just posted a video of himself being baptized. You think he'd have a problem the telling Tony he's sorry - or agreeing to let bygones be bygones?
He wouldn't.
There are 7 other vets out there to choose from. Well see who gets an offer, but there's no petty politics at play here.
I also don't get why so many people think that Tony having a successful business precludes him from participating in ownership of an NFL team. Many NFL owners came into ownership via having run a successful business in order to afford the team - and many of them continued to run those businesses well.
There is nothing out there to suggest Tony isn't effective in his limited role with the Jaguars, and there is even less to suggest he wouldn't support a free agent signing that his front office and coaching staff wanted to make happen.
Saw this on his twitter acct and was surprised....if he isn't too costly, and can smooth over the past rough edges with ownership, then maybe we should consider it. He certainly didn't leave with the same bad feelings that Ramsey did. I remember that the guy was great at strip sacks; we could use some of those defensive turnovers moving forward.
Only five players have 8+ sacks in each of their first 7 seasons
Reggie White
Aaron Donald
Derrick Thomas
DeMarcus Ware
YANNICK NGAKOUE
(04-04-2023, 02:57 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Saw this on his twitter acct and was surprised....if he isn't too costly, and can smooth over the past rough edges with ownership, then maybe we should consider it. He certainly didn't leave with the same bad feelings that Ramsey did. I remember that the guy was great at strip sacks; we could use some of those defensive turnovers moving forward.
Only five players have 8+ sacks in each of their first 7 seasons
Reggie White
Aaron Donald
Derrick Thomas
DeMarcus Ware
YANNICK NGAKOUE
Wouldn't hurt to entertain him at this point. With them interviewing Nolan Smith and Byron Young they're pretty much looking to resolve their pass rushing woes once again early in the draft. Not a big fan of that.
Still think we need to bolster the offensive line earlier and TE is also concerning with no depth behind Engram and him playing on a tag.
Mixed feelings but Ill tell you I didnt like McShay's mock draft today. Kincaid in RD1 and Stevernson out of Hurricanes at CB in RD2. Meh. Just feels like a reach with both choices.
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10 out of 41 votes were for OL and those folks were correct as the team has signed OT Josh Wells.
A former Jag backup tackle who played out his rookie deal in Jax before a second NFL stint down in Tampa.
I assume he's meant for the swing tackle backup role.
Who's next?
Any more noteworthy additions?
Can they still snag a pas rusher?
(04-04-2023, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2023, 02:57 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Saw this on his twitter acct and was surprised....if he isn't too costly, and can smooth over the past rough edges with ownership, then maybe we should consider it. He certainly didn't leave with the same bad feelings that Ramsey did. I remember that the guy was great at strip sacks; we could use some of those defensive turnovers moving forward.
Only five players have 8+ sacks in each of their first 7 seasons
Reggie White
Aaron Donald
Derrick Thomas
DeMarcus Ware
YANNICK NGAKOUE
Wouldn't hurt to entertain him at this point. With them interviewing Nolan Smith and Byron Young they're pretty much looking to resolve their pass rushing woes once again early in the draft. Not a big fan of that.
Still think we need to bolster the offensive line earlier and TE is also concerning with no depth behind Engram and him playing on a tag.
Mixed feelings but Ill tell you I didnt like McShay's mock draft today. Kincaid in RD1 and Stevernson out of Hurricanes at CB in RD2. Meh. Just feels like a reach with both choices.
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I think Nolan Smith will be gone before we pick. I think he would be a solid pick at 24 though if available. Young is a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Kincaid is the same type of player as Engram, I don't see that happening. If we go TE at 24 I think it's Washington or Mayer.