Tim Scott announced he is running for President today. He joins Trump, Haley, and Pence on the Republican side.
I really want to like Scott, but he just seems kinda slimy to me. TBF younger Joe Biden gave me the same impression. Guys who look and speak like common men, and even make platitudes that go against the elites, but in the end always chicken out and vote like the party bosses want.
If Scott had stuck it out and gotten that police reform bill done I might feel differently.
My choice is still DeSantis.
I wish there was an opportunity to vote for more than one, or rank the candidates in the primary. If they don't change that quick, all the "not Trumps" will split the vote and Trump will win the primary again.
DeSantis has lost me with his obsession with culture wars. And this ongoing battle with Disney has me questioning if he has the judgment to be President.
I think Tim Scott would have a decent shot at winning if he differentiates himself from the angry, negative, depressing, messages coming from Trump and DeSantis. If he sells an optimistic, happy version of conservative policies, he could have a chance. Smiling, and not snarling like DeSantis and Trump. I saw his campaign ads last year, and those ads would run well anywhere.
(05-20-2023, 10:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]DeSantis has lost me with his obsession with culture wars. And this ongoing battle with Disney has me questioning if he has the judgment to be President.
I think Tim Scott would have a decent shot at winning if he differentiates himself from the angry, negative, depressing, messages coming from Trump and DeSantis. If he sells an optimistic, happy version of conservative policies, he could have a chance. Smiling, and not snarling like DeSantis and Trump. I saw his campaign ads last year, and those ads would run well anywhere.
Someday you'll realize that everything is the culture wars and you either fight or surrender.
(05-20-2023, 10:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2023, 10:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]DeSantis has lost me with his obsession with culture wars. And this ongoing battle with Disney has me questioning if he has the judgment to be President.
I think Tim Scott would have a decent shot at winning if he differentiates himself from the angry, negative, depressing, messages coming from Trump and DeSantis. If he sells an optimistic, happy version of conservative policies, he could have a chance. Smiling, and not snarling like DeSantis and Trump. I saw his campaign ads last year, and those ads would run well anywhere.
Someday you'll realize that everything is the culture wars and you either fight or surrender.
There is a cultural component to everything.
Cultural struggles never end, but war is a bad metaphor for them. Because there is never a "final battle." If you commit your "forces" in a particular case and win a "victory," you'll be "outflanked" by the next generation.
The tools to use in the cultural struggle are persuasion and compromise.
If you like Scott, you should join the democrat party. He is another RINO from a state that needs to purge their entire republican leadership as they all suck.
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I'm still in DeSantis camp after that it gets a little hard to pick for me
(05-20-2023, 06:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2023, 10:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Someday you'll realize that everything is the culture wars and you either fight or surrender.
There is a cultural component to everything.
Cultural struggles never end, but war is a bad metaphor for them. Because there is never a "final battle." If you commit your "forces" in a particular case and win a "victory," you'll be "outflanked" by the next generation.
The tools to use in the cultural struggle are persuasion and compromise.
Lol, meanwhile you're getting cancelled, sued, doxxed, and arrested. RINOs like you lose because you use blabber while the other side uses bricks.
(05-21-2023, 07:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2023, 06:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]There is a cultural component to everything.
Cultural struggles never end, but war is a bad metaphor for them. Because there is never a "final battle." If you commit your "forces" in a particular case and win a "victory," you'll be "outflanked" by the next generation.
The tools to use in the cultural struggle are persuasion and compromise.
Lol, meanwhile you're getting cancelled, sued, doxxed, and arrested. RINOs like you lose because you use blabber while the other side uses bricks.
Canceling and suing are 2 way streets. Doxxing is illegal.
(05-21-2023, 08:33 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2023, 07:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, meanwhile you're getting cancelled, sued, doxxed, and arrested. RINOs like you lose because you use blabber while the other side uses bricks.
Canceling and suing are 2 way streets. Doxxing is illegal.
Right, right. Two way streets that are only driven one way, and you think they care about what's legal? If they're all like you it's no wonder the Pubs are in such disarray. Losers who even refuse to accept that they're in a fight to begin with or self-interested shysters who are only out for themselves.
Still waiting for Kanye to enter into the race as he talked about it a few years ago.
To hell with all them RINOS..
Agreed I don't like RINOs and trump is the biggest RINO to ever exist.
(05-21-2023, 07:24 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed I don't like RINOs and trump is the biggest RINO to ever exist.
Trump is the most anti-RINO you could get, dude..
Edit: Unless you meant that he could flip back and forth from Dem to Rep and back to Dem again.. In that case, yeah I could see it..
He definitely is anti-establishment..
(05-21-2023, 07:42 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2023, 07:24 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed I don't like RINOs and trump is the biggest RINO to ever exist.
Trump is the most anti-RINO you could get, dude..
Edit: Unless you meant that he could flip back and forth from Dem to Rep and back to Dem again.. In that case, yeah I could see it..
He definitely is anti-establishment..
You kind of get it, RINO has nothing to do with establishment, it stands for Republican In Name Only. Trump is a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. Blows my mind how many people don't see it. Trump is a second term of Bill Clinton with a red dress. Big government spending, big social welfare spending, Big brother expansion, abandoned all morality and walks a fine line on legal/illegal activities.
The only reason modern Democrats think he's a radical republican is because the party has moved so far left it doesn't recognize itself. We are left with a socialist Democrat party and a secular Republican party that was the Democrat party of the 90s.
Conservatives lost we don't even have a representative party anymore.
(05-21-2023, 10:32 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2023, 07:42 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Trump is the most anti-RINO you could get, dude..
Edit: Unless you meant that he could flip back and forth from Dem to Rep and back to Dem again.. In that case, yeah I could see it..
He definitely is anti-establishment..
You kind of get it, RINO has nothing to do with establishment, it stands for Republican In Name Only. Trump is a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. Blows my mind how many people don't see it. Trump is a second term of Bill Clinton with a red dress. Big government spending, big social welfare spending, Big brother expansion, abandoned all morality and walks a fine line on legal/illegal activities.
The only reason modern Democrats think he's a radical republican is because the party has moved so far left it doesn't recognize itself. We are left with a socialist Democrat party and a secular Republican party that was the Democrat party of the 90s.
Conservatives lost we don't even have a representative party anymore.
Trump and Clinton were total opposites on tax policy, immigration policy, and judicial selections.
One thing they had in common though is neither had much in the way of ideology or core belief. You would think that would make them able to get allies in Congres and make deals, but both were really ineffective at that.
(05-21-2023, 10:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2023, 10:32 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]You kind of get it, RINO has nothing to do with establishment, it stands for Republican In Name Only. Trump is a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. Blows my mind how many people don't see it. Trump is a second term of Bill Clinton with a red dress. Big government spending, big social welfare spending, Big brother expansion, abandoned all morality and walks a fine line on legal/illegal activities.
The only reason modern Democrats think he's a radical republican is because the party has moved so far left it doesn't recognize itself. We are left with a socialist Democrat party and a secular Republican party that was the Democrat party of the 90s.
Conservatives lost we don't even have a representative party anymore.
Trump and Clinton were total opposites on tax policy, immigration policy, and judicial selections.
One thing they had in common though is neither had much in the way of ideology or core belief. You would think that would make them able to get allies in Congres and make deals, but both were really ineffective at that.
Nope they are not opposites on tax policy or immigration. I'll give you the 1993 and 1996 acts passed on immigration by the Clinton administration
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-real-p...ll-clinton at the time it was the strictist immigration policy.
Clinton also passed work for welfare and lowered taxes except for the top 1%. Pretty sure Clinton also passed some legislation against homosexual unions?
By today's standards Clinton would be a Republican juggernaut. Both of them are moral-less perverts but that's besides the point, the right can never claim a moral high ground again after trump.
(05-21-2023, 11:31 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2023, 10:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Trump and Clinton were total opposites on tax policy, immigration policy, and judicial selections.
One thing they had in common though is neither had much in the way of ideology or core belief. You would think that would make them able to get allies in Congres and make deals, but both were really ineffective at that.
Nope they are not opposites on tax policy or immigration. I'll give you the 1993 and 1996 acts passed on immigration by the Clinton administration https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-real-p...ll-clinton at the time it was the strictist immigration policy.
Clinton also passed work for welfare and lowered taxes except for the top 1%. Pretty sure Clinton also passed some legislation against homosexual unions?
By today's standards Clinton would be a Republican juggernaut. Both of them are moral-less perverts but that's besides the point, the right can never claim a moral high ground again after trump.
Clinton didn't want any welfare reform. Republicans controlled Congress and wouldn't pass a budget otherwise.
The article you linked is interesting, but what you see from 1986 to 2008 is promises to secure the border and sanction employers that are never followed through on. Obama was the first who actually told his attorneys to get serious about deporting people and securing the border. It also helped that Mexico had less surplus young population in those years. Whereas before most folks illegally crossing were Mexican, by about 2008 they were from further south and only passing through Mexico. So it's not exactly clear if the better numbers you see during the Obama and Trump administrations had anything to do with what they did as Presidents.
Back on topic -- Tim Scott
I like what I see when it comes to 2028 when Trump is out of the race. Regarding Tim Scott in 2024, there are still a lot of people that will simply not vote for a candidate due to the skin color and some people that will vote for a candidate simply based on their skin color. As such, given the fact that in most states the GOP ethnic makeup consists of 80-90% being white and a lot of the deep south states reflecting up to 95% white population, where we absolutely know racial divide exists, I think think Tim Scott has any chance of winning on 2024 but perhaps he can get some exposure for 2028 and wait for some old fogey racists to die off in the next 5 years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/rel...-lean-rep/
(05-22-2023, 09:30 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Back on topic -- Tim Scott
I like what I see when it comes to 2028 when Trump is out of the race. Regarding Tim Scott in 2024, there are still a lot of people that will simply not vote for a candidate due to the skin color and some people that will vote for a candidate simply based on their skin color. As such, given the fact that in most states the GOP ethnic makeup consists of 80-90% being white and a lot of the deep south states reflecting up to 95% white population, where we absolutely know racial divide exists, I think think Tim Scott has any chance of winning on 2024 but perhaps he can get some exposure for 2028 and wait for some old fogey racists to die off in the next 5 years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/rel...-lean-rep/
Or, people recognize that Tim Scott isn’t all that dynamic. Yes, he breaks the mold as a black Republican from a southern state, but overall he’s just another cog in the machine. He doesn’t stand out to me as a mover and shaker.
(05-22-2023, 09:30 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Back on topic -- Tim Scott
I like what I see when it comes to 2028 when Trump is out of the race. Regarding Tim Scott in 2024, there are still a lot of people that will simply not vote for a candidate due to the skin color and some people that will vote for a candidate simply based on their skin color. As such, given the fact that in most states the GOP ethnic makeup consists of 80-90% being white and a lot of the deep south states reflecting up to 95% white population, where we absolutely know racial divide exists, I think think Tim Scott has any chance of winning on 2024 but perhaps he can get some exposure for 2028 and wait for some old fogey racists to die off in the next 5 years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/rel...-lean-rep/
He won a US Senate race in the state of South Carolina, home of Strom Thurmond, and the first state to secede in the Civil War, so I don't think skin color is gonna be a real problem.
I think he could get something going by differentiating himself from the negativity of Trump and DeSantis and selling a positive message about how his grandfather picked cotton for a living and now he's in the US Senate and that's why he loves America, etc etc. That's what he did in his Senate race. I don't recall him ever talking about his opponent in his commercials. It was all about a positive American story, and how great this country is.