When I look at the potential 53 man roster, I see a lot of questions on defenses, but very few on offense. I know there are usually a couple of "surprise cuts", but I feel like the following are all likely to be on the team:
QB:
Lawrence
Beathard
WR:
Ridley
Kirk
Jones
Agnew
Washington
RB:
Etienne
Bigsby
Johnson
Hasty
TE:
Engram
Strange
Farrell
Prince
OL:
Robinson
Little
Harrison
Scherff
Fortner
Wells
Bartch
Shatley
Hance
That's 24 players. If you assume 25 offensive players, that leaves one spot at wide receiver. This one is a competition. Tim Jones is probably the favorite as the incumbent, but Austin is challenging and others such as Pryor or Cooks could be considered too.
The only other consideration is that Robinson is suspended for the first four games. My understanding is that he doesn't count as one of our 53 players for those games. That leaves one other roster spot open. This one is a real tossup to me. It could be a tackle but doesn't need to be considering we have Little and Harrison as starters with Wells as a backup and Hance also having tackle experience. The Jaguars could just keep someone at another position, but who? Is this Parish's opportunity to make the team? Do they keep an emergency quarterback in Rourke? We seem to have deep talent at wide receiver. Do we keep seven initially? The Jaguars could also just opt to keep an extra defensive player instead. This is a tough roster spot to call.
Any thoughts?
I heard they’re keeping Rourke on the roster to keep him from being signed by other teams.
Pryor was on the roster last season along with Tim Jones, but Coach P has talked good about Austin. I haven’t heard Cooks name any.
Parish is a wildcard and could make the team but I think he goes practice squad and gets called up for a couple of games here and there depending on the game plan.
There will likely be few players that they keep that might not be one of the top 53 yet, but just so another team can't sign them off our practice squad.
We'll know a lot more after the first two preseason games, but that's a good list for now.
The defensive side is much harder to nail down. Depth over there is in flux like crazy.
The bottom of the TE group could be different and there may be one or the othe rguy added at o-line or wide receiver. Otherwise I don't see any obvious 'mistakes'. It's before any pre-season game though
With Shatley’s health issue, do you have a backup center? Have to assume Hance (totally out of the blue) will start at LG with Bartch recovering.
I assume they keep someone with interior OL flexibility as a 10th while Cam is suspended and Bartch/ Shatley stabilize.
Give me Austin as the 6th receiver if it is even close. Ties should go to the high ceiling players.
Do we have some opportunities to trade some lower guys for later picks and keep younger players where it is close?
(08-11-2023, 07:03 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]With Shatley’s health issue, do you have a backup center? Have to assume Hance (totally out of the blue) will start at LG with Bartch recovering.
I assume they keep someone with interior OL flexibility as a 10th while Cam is suspended and Bartch/ Shatley stabilize.
Give me Austin as the 6th receiver if it is even close. Ties should go to the high ceiling players.
Do we have some opportunities to trade some lower guys for later picks and keep younger players where it is close?
Daryl Williams has been getting tons of camp snaps at center
https://www.jaguars.com/team/players-ros...-williams/
(08-10-2023, 08:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]When I look at the potential 53 man roster, I see a lot of questions on defenses, but very few on offense. I know there are usually a couple of "surprise cuts", but I feel like the following are all likely to be on the team:
QB:
Lawrence
Beathard
WR:
Ridley
Kirk
Jones
Agnew
Washington
RB:
Etienne
Bigsby
Johnson
Hasty
TE:
Engram
Strange
Farrell
Prince
OL:
Robinson
Little
Harrison
Scherff
Fortner
Wells
Bartch
Shatley
Hance
That's 24 players. If you assume 25 offensive players, that leaves one spot at wide receiver. This one is a competition. Tim Jones is probably the favorite as the incumbent, but Austin is challenging and others such as Pryor or Cooks could be considered too.
The only other consideration is that Robinson is suspended for the first four games. My understanding is that he doesn't count as one of our 53 players for those games. That leaves one other roster spot open. This one is a real tossup to me. It could be a tackle but doesn't need to be considering we have Little and Harrison as starters with Wells as a backup and Hance also having tackle experience. The Jaguars could just keep someone at another position, but who? Is this Parish's opportunity to make the team? Do they keep an emergency quarterback in Rourke? We seem to have deep talent at wide receiver. Do we keep seven initially? The Jaguars could also just opt to keep an extra defensive player instead. This is a tough roster spot to call.
Any thoughts?
Did yesterday's game change anything here? I hate to put too much into one preseason game, but for me, I would make one change and that is Rourke instead of Beathard. If Rourke stinks up the next two games, maybe it switches back. However, if he plays even somewhat similar to what he did yesterday, he's not clearing waivers and won't be on the practice squad. If nothing else, they should keep him for his upside and the possibility of getting trade value for him down the road. The question is do they keep two or three quarterbacks? I'm inclined to think that they do keep three. That will be the final roster spot mentioned above. Of course, they will have to make a tough decision when Cam Robinson returns. My inclination would be to keep an extra offensive player and one less defensive player. Our defensive bubble players will clear waivers and can go on the practice squad. Our offensive bubble players likely won't.
As for the final wide receiver spot, I still think Tim Jones is the favorite. Although he appears on the stats sheet as having 0 receptions, he had a defender beat for a potential big play, but Beathard threw the ball out of bounds. The coaches aren't going to hold Beathard's bad throw against Jones. Jones also forced a fumble on special team. Bottom roster spots are often decided by special teams. As for the others, Austin struggled yesterday. Cooks impressed with 2 receptions for 42 yards. Pryor had 1 reception for 20 yards. A couple of guys not mentioned also made an impression with Harris having a 42 yard reception and Williams with a couple of catches for 23 yards. The competition continues.
I originally mentioned Parish. After writing the message, I read a bunch of negative things about his camp performance. He also barely played in yesterday's game. Unless something major changes, I now don't think he's even in serious competition for the 53 man roster. He's competing for a practice squad spot.
The only other player I'll mention is Cooper Hodges. He played most of the game. I wasn't focused on him, but seemed to play fine. Does he have a chance of making the roster? I still feel it is uphill for him. If Bartch and Shatley are healthy, Hodges would need to beat out Hance. For bottom roster spots, coaches like versatility. Hance can play any offensive line spot other than center. I know Hodges was a tackle in college and tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe his focus has been solely on guard in the NFL off-season. He has to really shine in the next two games to get that roster spot.
(08-13-2023, 02:20 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2023, 08:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]When I look at the potential 53 man roster, I see a lot of questions on defenses, but very few on offense. I know there are usually a couple of "surprise cuts", but I feel like the following are all likely to be on the team:
QB:
Lawrence
Beathard
WR:
Ridley
Kirk
Jones
Agnew
Washington
RB:
Etienne
Bigsby
Johnson
Hasty
TE:
Engram
Strange
Farrell
Prince
OL:
Robinson
Little
Harrison
Scherff
Fortner
Wells
Bartch
Shatley
Hance
That's 24 players. If you assume 25 offensive players, that leaves one spot at wide receiver. This one is a competition. Tim Jones is probably the favorite as the incumbent, but Austin is challenging and others such as Pryor or Cooks could be considered too.
The only other consideration is that Robinson is suspended for the first four games. My understanding is that he doesn't count as one of our 53 players for those games. That leaves one other roster spot open. This one is a real tossup to me. It could be a tackle but doesn't need to be considering we have Little and Harrison as starters with Wells as a backup and Hance also having tackle experience. The Jaguars could just keep someone at another position, but who? Is this Parish's opportunity to make the team? Do they keep an emergency quarterback in Rourke? We seem to have deep talent at wide receiver. Do we keep seven initially? The Jaguars could also just opt to keep an extra defensive player instead. This is a tough roster spot to call.
Any thoughts?
Did yesterday's game change anything here? I hate to put too much into one preseason game, but for me, I would make one change and that is Rourke instead of Beathard. If Rourke stinks up the next two games, maybe it switches back. However, if he plays even somewhat similar to what he did yesterday, he's not clearing waivers and won't be on the practice squad. If nothing else, they should keep him for his upside and the possibility of getting trade value for him down the road. The question is do they keep two or three quarterbacks? I'm inclined to think that they do keep three. That will be the final roster spot mentioned above. Of course, they will have to make a tough decision when Cam Robinson returns. My inclination would be to keep an extra offensive player and one less defensive player. Our defensive bubble players will clear waivers and can go on the practice squad. Our offensive bubble players likely won't.
As for the final wide receiver spot, I still think Tim Jones is the favorite. Although he appears on the stats sheet as having 0 receptions, he had a defender beat for a potential big play, but Beathard threw the ball out of bounds. The coaches aren't going to hold Beathard's bad throw against Jones. Jones also forced a fumble on special team. Bottom roster spots are often decided by special teams. As for the others, Austin struggled yesterday. Cooks impressed with 2 receptions for 42 yards. Pryor had 1 reception for 20 yards. A couple of guys not mentioned also made an impression with Harris having a 42 yard reception and Williams with a couple of catches for 23 yards. The competition continues.
I originally mentioned Parish. After writing the message, I read a bunch of negative things about his camp performance. He also barely played in yesterday's game. Unless something major changes, I now don't think he's even in serious competition for the 53 man roster. He's competing for a practice squad spot.
The only other player I'll mention is Cooper Hodges. He played most of the game. I wasn't focused on him, but seemed to play fine. Does he have a chance of making the roster? I still feel it is uphill for him. If Bartch and Shatley are healthy, Hodges would need to beat out Hance. For bottom roster spots, coaches like versatility. Hance can play any offensive line spot other than center. I know Hodges was a tackle in college and tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe his focus has been solely on guard in the NFL off-season. He has to really shine in the next two games to get that roster spot.
I thought Hodges showed good. Dude has the aggressive road grader mentality.
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(08-10-2023, 08:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]When I look at the potential 53 man roster, I see a lot of questions on defenses, but very few on offense. I know there are usually a couple of "surprise cuts", but I feel like the following are all likely to be on the team:
QB:
Lawrence
Beathard
WR:
Ridley
Kirk
Jones
Agnew
Washington
RB:
Etienne
Bigsby
Johnson
Hasty
TE:
Engram
Strange
Farrell
Prince
OL:
Robinson
Little
Harrison
Scherff
Fortner
Wells
Bartch
Shatley
Hance
That's 24 players. If you assume 25 offensive players, that leaves one spot at wide receiver. This one is a competition. Tim Jones is probably the favorite as the incumbent, but Austin is challenging and others such as Pryor or Cooks could be considered too.
The only other consideration is that Robinson is suspended for the first four games. My understanding is that he doesn't count as one of our 53 players for those games. That leaves one other roster spot open. This one is a real tossup to me. It could be a tackle but doesn't need to be considering we have Little and Harrison as starters with Wells as a backup and Hance also having tackle experience. The Jaguars could just keep someone at another position, but who? Is this Parish's opportunity to make the team? Do they keep an emergency quarterback in Rourke? We seem to have deep talent at wide receiver. Do we keep seven initially? The Jaguars could also just opt to keep an extra defensive player instead. This is a tough roster spot to call.
Any thoughts?
I think they will keep Rourke initially, but he could be trade bait for a team in need of a backup QB (likely due to an injury). If Rourke keeps performing, it might be Beathard that becomes the trade bait.
With Agnew being the team's primary return specialist, in addition to a WR spot, he has a higher risk of injury. I think they will keep an additional WR, and my money is on Tim Jones for his WR/ST skills and being his 2nd year in the system. Kevin Austin showed unreliable hands in the preseason game, which was a supposed issue for him last season. If not Jones, I could see them keeping a taller threat, such as the battling Cook or Harris. The practice squad will be stacked with good WRs, that will not take long for other teams to cannabilize.
Completely agree with you on RB and TE spots.
The initial OL group will be interesting. Robinson will be on the commissioner's suspended list for the first 4 games, not counting within the Jag's 53 during that time (...I believe). I think they'll initially put Bartch on IR, with the hope of him being 100% fully healthy by mid season. I think that move will leave an opening for Hodges, or another OG from the league's cut down day.
I believe Cooper Hodges makes the team. He seemed to do well yesterday and got a lot of playing time. Rourke's future will be determined by how he performs in the next two pre-season games. Ideally, he'll continue to make big plays and either be kept as the 3rd quarterback or some quarterback needy team will become enamored by him and make an offer the Jags can't refuse (3rd round pick would be great- not gonna get a Rob Johnson deal). The 6th receiving spot is going to be a difficult decision. Tim Jones has the advantage of being really good on special teams, but Elijah Cooks, Seth Williams and Jacob Harris can't be ruled out. Austin's poor performance makes him a likely cut or practice squad guy.
(08-13-2023, 07:09 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe Cooper Hodges makes the team. He seemed to do well yesterday and got a lot of playing time. Rourke's future will be determined by how he performs in the next two pre-season games. Ideally, he'll continue to make big plays and either be kept as the 3rd quarterback or some quarterback needy team will become enamored by him and make an offer the Jags can't refuse (3rd round pick would be great- not gonna get a Rob Johnson deal). The 6th receiving spot is going to be a difficult decision. Tim Jones has the advantage of being really good on special teams, but Elijah Cooks, Seth Williams and Jacob Harris can't be ruled out. Austin's poor performance makes him a likely cut or practice squad guy.
I think Hodges is starting at some point during the year due to somebody being dinged up.
Would really like to see the starters play at least a full half, or their back-ups before jumping to conclusions. At least if we get in a "next man up" situation I feel decent about it. Mediocre depth is better than useless depth.
(08-13-2023, 02:20 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2023, 08:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]When I look at the potential 53 man roster, I see a lot of questions on defenses, but very few on offense. I know there are usually a couple of "surprise cuts", but I feel like the following are all likely to be on the team:
QB:
Lawrence
Beathard
WR:
Ridley
Kirk
Jones
Agnew
Washington
RB:
Etienne
Bigsby
Johnson
Hasty
TE:
Engram
Strange
Farrell
Prince
OL:
Robinson
Little
Harrison
Scherff
Fortner
Wells
Bartch
Shatley
Hance
That's 24 players. If you assume 25 offensive players, that leaves one spot at wide receiver. This one is a competition. Tim Jones is probably the favorite as the incumbent, but Austin is challenging and others such as Pryor or Cooks could be considered too.
The only other consideration is that Robinson is suspended for the first four games. My understanding is that he doesn't count as one of our 53 players for those games. That leaves one other roster spot open. This one is a real tossup to me. It could be a tackle but doesn't need to be considering we have Little and Harrison as starters with Wells as a backup and Hance also having tackle experience. The Jaguars could just keep someone at another position, but who? Is this Parish's opportunity to make the team? Do they keep an emergency quarterback in Rourke? We seem to have deep talent at wide receiver. Do we keep seven initially? The Jaguars could also just opt to keep an extra defensive player instead. This is a tough roster spot to call.
Any thoughts?
Did yesterday's game change anything here? I hate to put too much into one preseason game, but for me, I would make one change and that is Rourke instead of Beathard. If Rourke stinks up the next two games, maybe it switches back. However, if he plays even somewhat similar to what he did yesterday, he's not clearing waivers and won't be on the practice squad. If nothing else, they should keep him for his upside and the possibility of getting trade value for him down the road. The question is do they keep two or three quarterbacks? I'm inclined to think that they do keep three. That will be the final roster spot mentioned above. Of course, they will have to make a tough decision when Cam Robinson returns. My inclination would be to keep an extra offensive player and one less defensive player. Our defensive bubble players will clear waivers and can go on the practice squad. Our offensive bubble players likely won't.
As for the final wide receiver spot, I still think Tim Jones is the favorite. Although he appears on the stats sheet as having 0 receptions, he had a defender beat for a potential big play, but Beathard threw the ball out of bounds. The coaches aren't going to hold Beathard's bad throw against Jones. Jones also forced a fumble on special team. Bottom roster spots are often decided by special teams. As for the others, Austin struggled yesterday. Cooks impressed with 2 receptions for 42 yards. Pryor had 1 reception for 20 yards. A couple of guys not mentioned also made an impression with Harris having a 42 yard reception and Williams with a couple of catches for 23 yards. The competition continues.
I originally mentioned Parish. After writing the message, I read a bunch of negative things about his camp performance. He also barely played in yesterday's game. Unless something major changes, I now don't think he's even in serious competition for the 53 man roster. He's competing for a practice squad spot.
The only other player I'll mention is Cooper Hodges. He played most of the game. I wasn't focused on him, but seemed to play fine. Does he have a chance of making the roster? I still feel it is uphill for him. If Bartch and Shatley are healthy, Hodges would need to beat out Hance. For bottom roster spots, coaches like versatility. Hance can play any offensive line spot other than center. I know Hodges was a tackle in college and tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe his focus has been solely on guard in the NFL off-season. He has to really shine in the next two games to get that roster spot.
I kinda wonder if the plan is to run with 3 QB this year, and CJB basically teaches Rourke the backup role. His salary is modest, yet practically fully guaranteed for this season. After that, it's just bonus against the cap.
I think Tim is in a precarious spot - if he doesn't perform on the field, I could see the team pushing reps to Cooks or Harris, in an attempt to bring some height in for those jump-ball plays.
I agree that Parish is likely playing for the PS; I think Tank showed enough that one-back sets or sliding a TE into an H-back set will suffice in short yardage.
I think Hodges got a long look because they intend to keep him around - you don't put that much tape out if a kid is getting it and you intend to stash them on the PS.
(08-13-2023, 09:35 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (08-13-2023, 07:09 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe Cooper Hodges makes the team. He seemed to do well yesterday and got a lot of playing time. Rourke's future will be determined by how he performs in the next two pre-season games. Ideally, he'll continue to make big plays and either be kept as the 3rd quarterback or some quarterback needy team will become enamored by him and make an offer the Jags can't refuse (3rd round pick would be great- not gonna get a Rob Johnson deal). The 6th receiving spot is going to be a difficult decision. Tim Jones has the advantage of being really good on special teams, but Elijah Cooks, Seth Williams and Jacob Harris can't be ruled out. Austin's poor performance makes him a likely cut or practice squad guy.
I think Hodges is starting at some point during the year due to somebody being dinged up.
Given that he's playing RG, I don't like this post.
(08-13-2023, 09:46 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Would really like to see the starters play at least a full half, or their back-ups before jumping to conclusions. At least if we get in a "next man up" situation I feel decent about it. Mediocre depth is better than useless depth.
I think those days are over. I’m hearing they won’t play their horses.
We will be keeping 3 QBs due to the new league rule.
Convert Elijah Cooks to TE?
I think, based on the preseason so far, I would go with 3 RBs and 3 QBs. I would try to stash the 4th RB on the practice squad to make room for the 3rd QB on the 53 man roster.
(08-20-2023, 08:04 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think, based on the preseason so far, I would go with 3 RBs and 3 QBs. I would try to stash the 4th RB on the practice squad to make room for the 3rd QB on the 53 man roster.
I’d cut Hasty. I just don’t see what he offers that Johnson doesn’t. Hasty is so meh.
(08-20-2023, 08:23 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2023, 08:04 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think, based on the preseason so far, I would go with 3 RBs and 3 QBs. I would try to stash the 4th RB on the practice squad to make room for the 3rd QB on the 53 man roster.
I’d cut Hasty. I just don’t see what he offers that Johnson doesn’t. Hasty is so meh.
I would try to get Hasty to the practice squad. I think he has a much greater chance of clearing waivers than Rourke.