(09-01-2023, 06:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He might not be the number 1 WR but in a few seasons he could be the number 2 or 3 if Ridley, Zay, and Kirk leave. As long as those 3 are on the roster, Cooks ain’t sniffing WR1.
Probably not but people said the same thing about Rod Smith
(09-01-2023, 06:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2023, 06:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He might not be the number 1 WR but in a few seasons he could be the number 2 or 3 if Ridley, Zay, and Kirk leave. As long as those 3 are on the roster, Cooks ain’t sniffing WR1.
Probably not but people said the same thing about Rod Smith
I could see him getting in on some occasional red zone action if there’s an opportunity for a mismatch. His main role will be on special teams but I liked him in preseason and glad he’s on the roster. He could work himself up the depth chart eventually.
Cooks could be a starter next year.. biiig contracts are coming…
(09-01-2023, 06:44 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2023, 06:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not but people said the same thing about Rod Smith
I could see him getting in on some occasional red zone action if there’s an opportunity for a mismatch. His main role will be on special teams but I liked him in preseason and glad he’s on the roster. He could work himself up the depth chart eventually.
Yea his height is a big advantage
I can see him comming up with a number of acrobatic catches over smaller defenders
Even the run game could make it more interesting with him doing some form of blocking
LOL...I've probably watched at least 50 San Jose State games over my lifetime. I kinda tapered off after I started enjoying european football...
This dude is a Spartan. OK...I'm a fan.
(09-01-2023, 07:18 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Cooks could be a starter next year.. biiig contracts are coming…
Nah
They aren't going to sign Lawrence to a huge deal in the next offseason only to rob him of his targets.
Zay's deal in 2024 only has a cap hit of 11 million - which is peanuts for his actual production
Kirk has an out clause next year, but they likely won't move on from him either. Restructure, maybe, but he's still too valuable.
Ridley just got here and has worked his [BLEEP] off and bought in 100%. They'll reward him as well.
We haven't reached a point where we need to scuttle the ship to stay afloat.
They just need to be creative with spreading out the money.
2025 may see some shifting of the sands in offensive skill position spending - but they aren't going to start dismantling what they've only just assembled before taking advantage of the assemblage.
Also - let's have this discussion after Cooks actually shows real ability against NFL starters in a regular season game. We are a long way from that yet.
The only guy that may walk after the coming season in Agnew. Folks need to take a breath before penciling in an UDFA who has done absolutely nothing thus far. He made the team, and we're happy about his potential. That's where the convo ends for me. First he needs to stay on the roster this year. Carrying 7 receivers may not last the season if injuries elsewhere pile up.
(09-02-2023, 10:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2023, 07:18 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Cooks could be a starter next year.. biiig contracts are coming…
Nah
They aren't going to sign Lawrence to a huge deal in the next offseason only to rob him of his targets.
Zay's deal in 2024 only has a cap hit of 11 million - which is peanuts for his actual production
Kirk has an out clause next year, but they likely won't move on from him either. Restructure, maybe, but he's still too valuable.
Ridley just got here and has worked his [BLEEP] off and bought in 100%. They'll reward him as well.
We haven't reached a point where we need to scuttle the ship to stay afloat.
They just need to be creative with spreading out the money.
2025 may see some shifting of the sands in offensive skill position spending - but they aren't going to start dismantling what they've only just assembled before taking advantage of the assemblage.
Also - let's have this discussion after Cooks actually shows real ability against NFL starters in a regular season game. We are a long way from that yet.
The only guy that may walk after the coming season in Agnew. Folks need to take a breath before penciling in an UDFA who has done absolutely nothing thus far. He made the team, and we're happy about his potential. That's where the convo ends for me. First he needs to stay on the roster this year. Carrying 7 receivers may not last the season if injuries elsewhere pile up.
I’m sure the Jags would like T Jones and/ or Cooks to show enough that Zay Jones could be traded next year or allowed to walk after 2024. I agree there is no rush and we still have to wait and see how it plays out.
It's going to come to a point where Trevor's payday is going to squeeze out some of our favorite players. That's just the way a salary cap works. It sucks, for sure. Like I hate that I see ETN as a dude that isn't going to be here after the next couple seasons. Same with probably Zay. But I guess that's a good reason to really appreciate how really awesome people and ball players these guys are while they are still here. You just gotta live in the moment, because you know the future isn't guaranteed.
The importance of hitting on your draft prospects becomes more and more important as your franchise hits on a few really great players.
also why it is important to create a winning culture and great coach and QB combo. players will sign for less to stay to win then leave and chase a cheque.
i don't think Trevor is going to break the bank like say Watson or Jackson did to their teams. i could see more similar to Mahomes, where he makes a tonne of money but over the course of 10 years.
WR's, like RB's, are a dime-a-dozen when you have a great coach and QB. You can have sustainable success with mediocre talent around that. We have to ask ourselves if we want to just be decent with potential, or have high tier players. I think we break the bank on Lawrence ONLY if we win the Super Bowl. If what they say is true, we could get by with some other team's "meh" players and make them better for us. Thus avoiding having to pay who we have now top tier dollars, for sustainable success.
(09-05-2023, 02:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to come to a point where Trevor's payday is going to squeeze out some of our favorite players. That's just the way a salary cap works. It sucks, for sure. Like I hate that I see ETN as a dude that isn't going to be here after the next couple seasons. Same with probably Zay. But I guess that's a good reason to really appreciate how really awesome people and ball players these guys are while they are still here. You just gotta live in the moment, because you know the future isn't guaranteed.
The importance of hitting on your draft prospects becomes more and more important as your franchise hits on a few really great players.
I’m not so sure we’ll want ETN here after the next couple of years. He’s entering the most productive years of a RB with his body type and upright running style. If he were a big bruiser like Henry, another 3 or 4 years might be in the cards. I think this year we’ll start to see injuries slowing ETN down.
(09-06-2023, 05:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2023, 02:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to come to a point where Trevor's payday is going to squeeze out some of our favorite players. That's just the way a salary cap works. It sucks, for sure. Like I hate that I see ETN as a dude that isn't going to be here after the next couple seasons. Same with probably Zay. But I guess that's a good reason to really appreciate how really awesome people and ball players these guys are while they are still here. You just gotta live in the moment, because you know the future isn't guaranteed.
The importance of hitting on your draft prospects becomes more and more important as your franchise hits on a few really great players.
I’m not so sure we’ll want ETN here after the next couple of years. He’s entering the most productive years of a RB with his body type and upright running style. If he were a big bruiser like Henry, another 3 or 4 years might be in the cards. I think this year we’ll start to see injuries slowing ETN down.
Good god I hope not. The dude has only played one season. He should at minimum be able to play out his rookie deal at a high level. One of his strengths is avoiding the big hits. As of right now I don't see why he wouldn't get a second deal when the time comes unless Bigsby firmly supplants him as starter.
As for Cooks, I love what he brings to the table, but the only staring WR he has a chance to replace by late season or next year is Zay, and even that seems unlikely. Ridley and Kirk aren't going anywhere for a bit.
(09-06-2023, 05:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2023, 02:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to come to a point where Trevor's payday is going to squeeze out some of our favorite players. That's just the way a salary cap works. It sucks, for sure. Like I hate that I see ETN as a dude that isn't going to be here after the next couple seasons. Same with probably Zay. But I guess that's a good reason to really appreciate how really awesome people and ball players these guys are while they are still here. You just gotta live in the moment, because you know the future isn't guaranteed.
The importance of hitting on your draft prospects becomes more and more important as your franchise hits on a few really great players.
I’m not so sure we’ll want ETN here after the next couple of years. He’s entering the most productive years of a RB with his body type and upright running style. If he were a big bruiser like Henry, another 3 or 4 years might be in the cards. I think this year we’ll start to see injuries slowing ETN down.
Hell no, he's only had the one injury. Etienne is an elite back and will be a top 5 back this year. He will be a huge part of this offense. He was a great draft pick.
If this thread is turning into an Etienne debate (or QB extension discussion) please go start a thread on it rather than carrying it out here
(09-02-2023, 10:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2023, 07:18 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Cooks could be a starter next year.. biiig contracts are coming…
Nah
They aren't going to sign Lawrence to a huge deal in the next offseason only to rob him of his targets.
Zay's deal in 2024 only has a cap hit of 11 million - which is peanuts for his actual production
Kirk has an out clause next year, but they likely won't move on from him either. Restructure, maybe, but he's still too valuable.
Ridley just got here and has worked his [BLEEP] off and bought in 100%. They'll reward him as well.
We haven't reached a point where we need to scuttle the ship to stay afloat.
They just need to be creative with spreading out the money.
2025 may see some shifting of the sands in offensive skill position spending - but they aren't going to start dismantling what they've only just assembled before taking advantage of the assemblage.
Also - let's have this discussion after Cooks actually shows real ability against NFL starters in a regular season game. We are a long way from that yet.
The only guy that may walk after the coming season in Agnew. Folks need to take a breath before penciling in an UDFA who has done absolutely nothing thus far. He made the team, and we're happy about his potential. That's where the convo ends for me. First he needs to stay on the roster this year. Carrying 7 receivers may not last the season if injuries elsewhere pile up.
Actually I think we will see modifications after our walking wounded and suspended are able to return.
(09-06-2023, 12:15 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2023, 10:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nah
They aren't going to sign Lawrence to a huge deal in the next offseason only to rob him of his targets.
Zay's deal in 2024 only has a cap hit of 11 million - which is peanuts for his actual production
Kirk has an out clause next year, but they likely won't move on from him either. Restructure, maybe, but he's still too valuable.
Ridley just got here and has worked his [BLEEP] off and bought in 100%. They'll reward him as well.
We haven't reached a point where we need to scuttle the ship to stay afloat.
They just need to be creative with spreading out the money.
2025 may see some shifting of the sands in offensive skill position spending - but they aren't going to start dismantling what they've only just assembled before taking advantage of the assemblage.
Also - let's have this discussion after Cooks actually shows real ability against NFL starters in a regular season game. We are a long way from that yet.
The only guy that may walk after the coming season in Agnew. Folks need to take a breath before penciling in an UDFA who has done absolutely nothing thus far. He made the team, and we're happy about his potential. That's where the convo ends for me. First he needs to stay on the roster this year. Carrying 7 receivers may not last the season if injuries elsewhere pile up.
Actually I think we will see modifications after our walking wounded and suspended are able to return.
My thoughts exactly.
11 defensive backs is also a big number to carry, but that extra receiver could revert to the vulnerable PS designation if they need the space for depth or rotation on DL & OL.
(09-06-2023, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2023, 12:15 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Actually I think we will see modifications after our walking wounded and suspended are able to return.
My thoughts exactly.
11 defensive backs is also a big number to carry, but that extra receiver could revert to the vulnerable PS designation if they need the space for depth or rotation on DL & OL.
Agreed. I however, I can make the argument that 7th receiver in some ways if a big body guy is little more than a 4th receiving TE?
(09-06-2023, 12:38 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2023, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts exactly.
11 defensive backs is also a big number to carry, but that extra receiver could revert to the vulnerable PS designation if they need the space for depth or rotation on DL & OL.
Agreed. I however, I can make the argument that 7th receiver in some ways if a big body guy is little more than a 4th receiving TE?
Having your depth wideout big enough to be a hybrid in a pinch does allow some flexibility that way - especially when you carry only 3 TE on the 53.
The DB room has wiggle space in the form of Antonio Johnson as a fifth Safety. Either he or Thomas could shifted down to PS. (I suspect they still prefer Thomas on ST for now - he was very good there last season)
Over at CB I imagine the bottom 3 or 4 guys are all possibilities to be somewhat expendable depending on who is performing/underperforming in games or practice.
It will be interesting to see exactly what the depth looks like after the bye-week and wether or not some young players rise, stay put, or fall off the 53.
Anyway - if Cooks stays on the 53 all year - it may give us some interesting tea leaves to read way too far into.
LOL
(09-05-2023, 03:33 PM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]also why it is important to create a winning culture and great coach and QB combo. players will sign for less to stay to win then leave and chase a cheque.
i don't think Trevor is going to break the bank like say Watson or Jackson did to their teams. i could see more similar to Mahomes, where he makes a tonne of money but over the course of 10 years.
It’s funny when people say this.
Lawrence will likely be the highest paid player in NFL history. These studs get all the money while they can and will live lavish when they retire in their mid to late 30’s. Expect 300 plus, which will push other players off the roster.