This poor performance is on the offensive line and the back seven of our defense.
Some wacky calls, sure, but nothing too crazy. I think Doug has stayed involved today anyway. He's busy talking on comms nearly every time they show him.
Some team needs to make the call now and beat all the other teams to hire Press
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Hold the Press. Here comes Press. Dressed to Im-Press. At the post-game Press
I'm done.
Yeah... After seeing that nonsense, put his play-calling into a press and smash it. I want Doug back.
(09-10-2023, 04:26 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah... After seeing that nonsense, put his play-calling into a press and smash it. I want Doug back.
Lol. Yup.
Press ain’t gonna work, that’s why Doug took over the play calls early in the game.
Too many 3rd and mediums without engram getting in the game, but in reality their linebackers wrecked a lot of good calls. On the 4th and 1 screen to engram you have two tes blocking one guy he splits them both for a tfl.
I just hope Dougie P calls the plays the rest of the way. It was a relief when the camera showed him with the play sheet covering his mouth and he was talking into the head set (as snow wolfie would say).
Please, Doug, take back the calling.
Play calling was suspect today.
I'm just curious as to when this bad decision was made. Was he calling plays during preseason? Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems an offense would gain confidence and grow accustomed to the rhythm of a particular play caller (Doug). Then have to change up to another, on game day?
I saw a preponderance of gimmicky plays until it seemed Doug took back over and then could see the offense hitting stride. Perhaps I'm overthinking it.
(09-10-2023, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This poor performance is on the offensive line and the back seven of our defense.
Some wacky calls, sure, but nothing too crazy. I think Doug has stayed involved today anyway. He's busy talking on comms nearly every time they show him.
3rd and 2, QB sneak...
That's not too wacky?
I'm willing to give the OC the benefit of the doubt that he can grow into the position. But I'm sorry. He was calling plays like Hacket for all of the 3rd Quarter and most of the second. It was Run Run Pass. And there was no creativity like we'd seen last year. It was a pedestrain play calling game.
This offense, especially because of the lack of dawgs on the O-Line can just telegraph what's coming. There needs to be a lot of misdirection and off yardage plays that keep the defense guessing. This was not a good performance by the O-Line. But the fact that the OC was calling basic plays on obvious downs helped absolutely no-one.
Let's see what happens next week. Maybe we were play calling conservatively because of next week's match up. But if this is how Press is going to call a game, it's just not going to be good enough when you consider the issues with our O-Line.
(09-10-2023, 06:51 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2023, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This poor performance is on the offensive line and the back seven of our defense.
Some wacky calls, sure, but nothing too crazy. I think Doug has stayed involved today anyway. He's busy talking on comms nearly every time they show him.
3rd and 2, QB sneak...
That's not too wacky?
I'm willing to give the OC the benefit of the doubt that he can grow into the position. But I'm sorry. He was calling plays like Hacket for all of the 3rd Quarter and most of the second. It was Run Run Pass. And there was no creativity like we'd seen last year. It was a pedestrain play calling game.
This offense, especially because of the lack of dawgs on the O-Line can just telegraph what's coming. There needs to be a lot of misdirection and off yardage plays that keep the defense guessing. This was not a good performance by the O-Line. But the fact that the OC was calling basic plays on obvious downs helped absolutely no-one.
Let's see what happens next week. Maybe we were play calling conservatively because of next week's match up. But if this is how Press is going to call a game, it's just not going to be good enough when you consider the issues with our O-Line.
The execution was far worse than the play calling.
It was this play calling that ended up putting 31 points on the board, no?
Lots of the runs called in this game were averaging 5-6 yards last year. Not the case today.
You can point out a small handful of sketchy calls, I didn't like some of them, but overall it was fine.
(09-10-2023, 06:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2023, 06:51 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]3rd and 2, QB sneak...
That's not too wacky?
I'm willing to give the OC the benefit of the doubt that he can grow into the position. But I'm sorry. He was calling plays like Hacket for all of the 3rd Quarter and most of the second. It was Run Run Pass. And there was no creativity like we'd seen last year. It was a pedestrain play calling game.
This offense, especially because of the lack of dawgs on the O-Line can just telegraph what's coming. There needs to be a lot of misdirection and off yardage plays that keep the defense guessing. This was not a good performance by the O-Line. But the fact that the OC was calling basic plays on obvious downs helped absolutely no-one.
Let's see what happens next week. Maybe we were play calling conservatively because of next week's match up. But if this is how Press is going to call a game, it's just not going to be good enough when you consider the issues with our O-Line.
The execution was far worse than the play calling.
It was this play calling that ended up putting 31 points on the board, no?
Lots of the runs called in this game were averaging 5-6 yards last year. Not the case today.
You can point out a small handful of sketchy calls, I didn't like some of them, but overall it was fine.
For me, there were so many run/run/pass sequences that I don't remember seeing last year - it was like I was flashing back to the Mularkey era. This was a different looking play calling scheme from what we saw last year. I don't think you can argue about that.
On top of that, I didn't see any of the schemes we ran last year. Our bread and butter plays had a opposite receivers starting wide while crossing the middle, while a TE or slot receiver would stretch out long. There was not even one play like that today. Why? We were dynamic we were unpredictable, we were explosive, consistently.
This wasn't the same play calling or the same schematic offense we saw last year. Trevor exploded on 2 plays today. One to Zay in the end zone and the other the Engram when he lined up as the #1 WR. 2 really good play calls and 1 really good play scheme. The rest of the game felt much more conservative. Which is weird considering how many 4th down plays we ran...
We got the win, and that's what matters. But this offense looked different today, if you objectively look at the game. It's just what it was. A decent game, where we hade the better overall talent at QB, WR, Edge Rusher, and Secondary. But the play calling on both sides of the ball was tentative, or precautionary and that's why the game was close in the 3rd and start of the 4th.
Our talent, especially at QB shined and we ran away with the game. But I just worry that if Press Taylor is going to call a game like he did here, we're not going to beat the really tough teams we face.
(09-10-2023, 07:16 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2023, 06:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The execution was far worse than the play calling.
It was this play calling that ended up putting 31 points on the board, no?
Lots of the runs called in this game were averaging 5-6 yards last year. Not the case today.
You can point out a small handful of sketchy calls, I didn't like some of them, but overall it was fine.
For me, there were so many run/run/pass sequences that I don't remember seeing last year - it was like I was flashing back to the Mularkey era. This was a different looking play calling scheme from what we saw last year. I don't think you can argue about that.
On top of that, I didn't see any of the schemes we ran last year. Our bread and butter plays had a opposite receivers starting wide while crossing the middle, while a TE or slot receiver would stretch out long. There was not even one play like that today. Why? We were dynamic we were unpredictable, we were explosive, consistently.
This wasn't the same play calling or the same schematic offense we saw last year. Trevor exploded on 2 plays today. One to Zay in the end zone and the other the Engram when he lined up as the #1 WR. 2 really good play calls and 1 really good play scheme. The rest of the game felt much more conservative. Which is weird considering how many 4th down plays we ran...
We got the win, and that's what matters. But this offense looked different today, if you objectively look at the game. It's just what it was. A decent game, where we hade the better overall talent at QB, WR, Edge Rusher, and Secondary. But the play calling on both sides of the ball was tentative, or precautionary and that's why the game was close in the 3rd and start of the 4th.
Our talent, especially at QB shined and we ran away with the game. But I just worry that if Press Taylor is going to call a game like he did here, we're not going to beat the really tough teams we face.
run/run/pass doesn't mean a single [BLEEP] thing
I am 100% fine with a [BLEEP] ton of run/run/pass
Our playbook has a lot of great run plays and many of them come out of the same formations we pass effectively from
This offense doesn't telegraph the run plays like regimes of the past - just forget that you think you should be upset about run/run/pass - it doesn't matter anymore.
The run plays just have to be blocked more effectively than they were today.
Every time this line had a good day of run blocking last year, it was all sunshine and rainbows around here about ETN's brilliance and Pederson's genius.
When they don't block well - we get "WhY aRe TheY RuNNinG SO mUcH??"
It was largely the same stuff we saw last year. It just wasn't executed and it started in the trenches.
(09-10-2023, 07:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2023, 07:16 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]For me, there were so many run/run/pass sequences that I don't remember seeing last year - it was like I was flashing back to the Mularkey era. This was a different looking play calling scheme from what we saw last year. I don't think you can argue about that.
On top of that, I didn't see any of the schemes we ran last year. Our bread and butter plays had a opposite receivers starting wide while crossing the middle, while a TE or slot receiver would stretch out long. There was not even one play like that today. Why? We were dynamic we were unpredictable, we were explosive, consistently.
This wasn't the same play calling or the same schematic offense we saw last year. Trevor exploded on 2 plays today. One to Zay in the end zone and the other the Engram when he lined up as the #1 WR. 2 really good play calls and 1 really good play scheme. The rest of the game felt much more conservative. Which is weird considering how many 4th down plays we ran...
We got the win, and that's what matters. But this offense looked different today, if you objectively look at the game. It's just what it was. A decent game, where we hade the better overall talent at QB, WR, Edge Rusher, and Secondary. But the play calling on both sides of the ball was tentative, or precautionary and that's why the game was close in the 3rd and start of the 4th.
Our talent, especially at QB shined and we ran away with the game. But I just worry that if Press Taylor is going to call a game like he did here, we're not going to beat the really tough teams we face.
run/run/pass doesn't mean a single [BLEEP] thing
I am 100% fine with a [BLEEP] ton of run/run/pass
Our playbook has a lot of great run plays and many of them come out of the same formations we pass effectively from
This offense doesn't telegraph the run plays like regimes of the past - just forget that you think you should be upset about run/run/pass - it doesn't matter anymore.
The run plays just have to be blocked more effectively than they were today.
Every time this line had a good day of run blocking last year, it was all sunshine and rainbows around here about ETN's brilliance and Pederson's genius.
When they don't block well - we get "WhY aRe TheY RuNNinG SO mUcH??"
It was largely the same stuff we saw last year. It just wasn't executed and it started in the trenches.
why would you be fine with a predictable play calling scheme when you already acknowledge that our O-Line is not superior?
I feel like you are doubling down on an incorrect assumption.
We only began being successful when we got away from the predictable play calls. We scored in the first half on plays that were unpredicted or took shots downfeild.
This team is not going to muscle over defensive lines. This team isn't going to pass protect in a way where our QB can stand in the pocket like a statue. Why ignore that fact? I you want to see a run/run/pass offense like from 2009 to 2021, cool. We'll beat lesser talented teams and win our Division. Just like Houston used to do.
But that's not the type of offense that's gonna get us to the AFC Championship, must less the SB. Hopefully our coaches were just keeping things tight for next week.
But if we're just gonna play conservative, we're not gonna beat Kansas City.
All I care about is cause and effect. The offense was out of sync for a good chunk of today's game and the line play in general left plenty to be desired.
Curious if Pederson took over at any point in time. The offense got away from Ridley. Then it felt like they were trying to force a running game that wasn't there most of the day.
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(09-10-2023, 07:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2023, 07:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]run/run/pass doesn't mean a single [BLEEP] thing
I am 100% fine with a [BLEEP] ton of run/run/pass
Our playbook has a lot of great run plays and many of them come out of the same formations we pass effectively from
This offense doesn't telegraph the run plays like regimes of the past - just forget that you think you should be upset about run/run/pass - it doesn't matter anymore.
The run plays just have to be blocked more effectively than they were today.
Every time this line had a good day of run blocking last year, it was all sunshine and rainbows around here about ETN's brilliance and Pederson's genius.
When they don't block well - we get "WhY aRe TheY RuNNinG SO mUcH??"
It was largely the same stuff we saw last year. It just wasn't executed and it started in the trenches.
why would you be fine with a predictable play calling scheme when you already acknowledge that our O-Line is not superior?
I feel like you are doubling down on an incorrect assumption.
We only began being successful when we got away from the predictable play calls. We scored in the first half on plays that were unpredicted or took shots downfeild.
This team is not going to muscle over defensive lines. This team isn't going to pass protect in a way where our QB can stand in the pocket like a statue. Why ignore that fact? I you want to see a run/run/pass offense like from 2009 to 2021, cool. We'll beat lesser talented teams and win our Division. Just like Houston used to do.
But that's not the type of offense that's gonna get us to the AFC Championship, must less the SB. Hopefully our coaches were just keeping things tight for next week.
But if we're just gonna play conservative, we're not gonna beat Kansas City.
I didn't say I want a predictable offense, I said you are focusing on run/run/pass because you were conditioned into that being such a bad thing from our prior coaching staffs.
These guys are never going to be that conservative or predictable, but if they diid, they could still keep defenses off guard as their play designs are simply that much better.
They run and pass out of several formations that look the same.
They use tons of ZBS instead of power run sets.
They disguise [BLEEP] pretty damn well actually.
They'll even keep going to the well when a play isn't being defended by a defense properly.
Prior regimes did none of this.
The offense is fine. the play calling is fine outside two or three wacky decisions.
The players did not execute today at times and that has you scrambling to old explanations that are no longer relevant.