(09-12-2023, 11:01 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]People forget how much Darius Williams was the butt of jokes until he moved outside.
He made a really good play on the football against Pierce at the goal line. It was a mistake having him inside to begin with. He made a living playing opposite of Ramsey on the outside in LA.
(09-12-2023, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2023, 09:07 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think we'll see Little at LG, Cam at LT ,
unfortunately we may just have to pray Fortner gets better at Center - Shatley sucked last year at guard and def didn't get better- Daryl Williams is the third option - played well in preseason vs 3rd stringers, but... who knows?
RG - gotta pray Scherff can play through minor injury well enough to be "solid" - no help on horizon unless Hance is some kind of miracle godsend
RT - The rookie looks good so far
LG is so bad on this team. It's definitely the weakest link on the Oline.
I would be looking to make a major upgrade this upcoming off season.
I'd also say that we need to address RG.
Scherff ain't getting younger and these nagging injuries will take longer to heal as the mileage adds up.
(09-13-2023, 08:13 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2023, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]LG is so bad on this team. It's definitely the weakest link on the Oline.
I would be looking to make a major upgrade this upcoming off season.
I'd also say that we need to address RG.
Scherff ain't getting younger and these nagging injuries will take longer to heal as the mileage adds up.
He will be here next year. If we cut him he would be a 15 mil in dead cap and Hodges was his backup before the injury. I think they see how Hodges looks next year, if he's not it then 2025 I think we get the RG.
If they are smart, the director of pro personnel already has a short list of 2024 free agent guards and centers on his desk being vetted. If the opportunity should arise to land one that doesn't break the bank - they should be looking there.
Turning to the draft if the right deal doesn't emerge - or to supplement what they sign.
Left guard is a dire need, Center is still a "hold out hope" situation but starting the year badly, and RG is a ticking time bomb with an injured 7th rounder as your parachute.
Improvement from the O-line and Travon Walker are it’s to this season. And injury luck.
(09-13-2023, 12:40 PM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]Improvement from the O-line and Travon Walker are key to this season. And injury luck.
(09-13-2023, 10:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 08:13 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I'd also say that we need to address RG.
Scherff ain't getting younger and these nagging injuries will take longer to heal as the mileage adds up.
He will be here next year. If we cut him he would be a 15 mil in dead cap and Hodges was his backup before the injury. I think they see how Hodges looks next year, if he's not it then 2025 I think we get the RG.
Just because we address RG does not mean we have to cut Scherff. The tugboat was a feature story in the PS because he got a cool nickname and held his own, but for all we know against starting caliber players he could be the next Bartch. I want us to be ready when Scherff either goes down with another injury or begins to show his age. I don't want to stand pat and be left scrambling for replacements when (relatively) unexpected events arise.
(09-13-2023, 11:21 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If they are smart, the director of pro personnel already has a short list of 2024 free agent guards and centers on his desk being vetted. If the opportunity should arise to land one that doesn't break the bank - they should be looking there.
Turning to the draft if the right deal doesn't emerge - or to supplement what they sign.
Left guard is a dire need, Center is still a "hold out hope" situation but starting the year badly, and RG is a ticking time bomb with an injured 7th rounder as your parachute.
You word gooder than me. Well said.
(09-13-2023, 01:25 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 10:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He will be here next year. If we cut him he would be a 15 mil in dead cap and Hodges was his backup before the injury. I think they see how Hodges looks next year, if he's not it then 2025 I think we get the RG.
Just because we address RG does not mean we have to cut Scherff. The tugboat was a feature story in the PS because he got a cool nickname and held his own, but for all we know against starting caliber players he could be the next Bartch. I want us to be ready when Scherff either goes down with another injury or begins to show his age. I don't want to stand pat and be left scrambling for replacements when (relatively) unexpected events arise.
(09-13-2023, 11:21 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If they are smart, the director of pro personnel already has a short list of 2024 free agent guards and centers on his desk being vetted. If the opportunity should arise to land one that doesn't break the bank - they should be looking there.
Turning to the draft if the right deal doesn't emerge - or to supplement what they sign.
Left guard is a dire need, Center is still a "hold out hope" situation but starting the year badly, and RG is a ticking time bomb with an injured 7th rounder as your parachute.
You word gooder than me. Well said.
Nothing but splendiferous expoundifications upon your most properly pontificated pondering, my good sir.
(09-13-2023, 01:25 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 10:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He will be here next year. If we cut him he would be a 15 mil in dead cap and Hodges was his backup before the injury. I think they see how Hodges looks next year, if he's not it then 2025 I think we get the RG.
Just because we address RG does not mean we have to cut Scherff. The tugboat was a feature story in the PS because he got a cool nickname and held his own, but for all we know against starting caliber players he could be the next Bartch. I want us to be ready when Scherff either goes down with another injury or begins to show his age. I don't want to stand pat and be left scrambling for replacements when (relatively) unexpected events arise.
(09-13-2023, 11:21 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If they are smart, the director of pro personnel already has a short list of 2024 free agent guards and centers on his desk being vetted. If the opportunity should arise to land one that doesn't break the bank - they should be looking there.
Turning to the draft if the right deal doesn't emerge - or to supplement what they sign.
Left guard is a dire need, Center is still a "hold out hope" situation but starting the year badly, and RG is a ticking time bomb with an injured 7th rounder as your parachute.
You word gooder than me. Well said.
Anyone we draft could be the next Bartch regardless. Hopefully Hodges can come back week 5 and we will have 3/4 of the season to see how he does. Right now we have a young G we just drafted behind RG. C and LG not so much unless Little moves to LG after Cam comes back and he shines.
(09-13-2023, 03:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nice to see Fatukasi turn in a good game despite playing through injury.
Here's a nice clip for gatur-boy who tried to tell me stopping the run from the NT position wasn't why Baalke brought him to the Jags.
https://x.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1702...14493?s=20
Hamilton is our starting NT when healthy. Fatukasi is starting at NT because Hamilton is out. Fatukasi was brought in to help the run game next to Hamilton in the middle. Hence why Hamilton started at NT all last year and was going this year as well until he got hurt. When Hamilton comes back he will go back to starting at NT and Fatukasi will be starting at 5 tech 3-4 end.
What's funny is the New York City boy thinks Hamilton plays like a slightly above average rotational player lol. Glad Fatukasi is looking more healthy, hopefully while Hamilton is out he can play NT at the level he did with the Jets. We will need it the next few weeks, especially against Atlanta.
(09-13-2023, 04:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What's funny is the New York City boy thinks Hamilton plays like a slightly above average rotational player lol. Glad Fatukasi is looking more healthy, hopefully while Hamilton is out he can play NT at the level he did with the Jets. We will need it the next few weeks, especially against Atlanta.
Baalke talked about Fatukasi's prowess vs the run when we signed him - not sure why that seems to touch a nerve with you. It's OK for the team to value getting him lots of NT snaps, you know. As much as you want to pretend you have every nuance of the DL figured out - you clearly don't see this part clearly.
Hamilton had good pass rush win rates last year and it helped him get re-signed - that's great - but he still didn't get home much, and he indeed was a solid
rotational player for the Jags. He played in 61% of the defensive snaps or fewer in FOURTEEN games last year. Hamilton played less than 50% of the snaps in eight of those games. Call him the starter all you want, and he technically was on paper - but he also played 3-4 End - and he also sat a lot while Fatukasi played the nose. They shared the position on the weeks when Fatukasi was healthy.
What you read on a depth chart doesn't mean much about snap numbers. You need to pay attention to how often it has been Fatukasi gumming up the middle in run sets.
It sucks this was supposed to be a bit of a breakout year for Hamilton and he got himself hurt off the field somehow. I hope he's back before the bye week, but it really doesn't look good.
(09-13-2023, 05:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 04:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What's funny is the New York City boy thinks Hamilton plays like a slightly above average rotational player lol. Glad Fatukasi is looking more healthy, hopefully while Hamilton is out he can play NT at the level he did with the Jets. We will need it the next few weeks, especially against Atlanta.
Baalke talked about Fatukasi's prowess vs the run when we signed him - not sure why that seems to touch a nerve with you. It's OK for the team to value getting him lots of NT snaps, you know. As much as you want to pretend you have every nuance of the DL figured out - you clearly don't see this part clearly.
Hamilton had good pass rush win rates last year and it helped him get re-signed - that's great - but he still didn't get home much, and he indeed was a solid rotational player for the Jags. He played in 61% of the defensive snaps or fewer in FOURTEEN games last year. Hamilton played less than 50% of the snaps in eight of those games. Call him the starter all you want, and he technically was on paper - but he also played 3-4 End - and he also sat a lot while Fatukasi played the nose. They shared the position on the weeks when Fatukasi was healthy.
What you read on a depth chart doesn't mean much about snap numbers. You need to pay attention to how often it has been Fatukasi gumming up the middle in run sets.
It sucks this was supposed to be a bit of a breakout year for Hamilton and he got himself hurt off the field somehow. I hope he's back before the bye week, but it really doesn't look good.
Not a nerve for me, you were just wrong on it again. We absolutely signed him for his run defense. But it wasn't for him to just play NT. I'm not looking at a depth chart. I'm looking at who starts at NT when both are healthy and that's Hamilton. We gave Hamilton the big contract in our offseason to be our NT or start at NT, he will start next to Hamilton. Peters also play NT for us last year and did a pretty good job. He comes out in passing situations, I thought you knew this lol. Big boys gets tired and is not going to be able to play the % of snaps as the ends and you want him resting in passing situations, hes 335 lbs lol. I'd bet the house on if you asked Doug if Hamilton is a rotational player he would tell you no he's our starting NT lol. It's good Fatukasi is looking healthy and can hold the middle down in base packages until Hamilton gets back
(09-13-2023, 06:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 05:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke talked about Fatukasi's prowess vs the run when we signed him - not sure why that seems to touch a nerve with you. It's OK for the team to value getting him lots of NT snaps, you know. As much as you want to pretend you have every nuance of the DL figured out - you clearly don't see this part clearly.
Hamilton had good pass rush win rates last year and it helped him get re-signed - that's great - but he still didn't get home much, and he indeed was a solid rotational player for the Jags. He played in 61% of the defensive snaps or fewer in FOURTEEN games last year. Hamilton played less than 50% of the snaps in eight of those games. Call him the starter all you want, and he technically was on paper - but he also played 3-4 End - and he also sat a lot while Fatukasi played the nose. They shared the position on the weeks when Fatukasi was healthy.
What you read on a depth chart doesn't mean much about snap numbers. You need to pay attention to how often it has been Fatukasi gumming up the middle in run sets.
It sucks this was supposed to be a bit of a breakout year for Hamilton and he got himself hurt off the field somehow. I hope he's back before the bye week, but it really doesn't look good.
Not a nerve for me, you were just wrong on it again. We absolutely signed him for his run defense. But it wasn't for him to just play NT. I'm not looking at a depth chart. I'm looking at who starts at NT when both are healthy and that's Hamilton. We gave Hamilton the big contract in our offseason to be our NT or start at NT, he will start next to Hamilton. Peters also play NT for us last year and did a pretty good job. He comes out in passing situations, I thought you knew this lol. Big boys gets tired and is not going to be able to play the % of snaps as the ends and you want him resting in passing situations, hes 335 lbs lol. I'd bet the house on if you asked Doug if Hamilton is a rotational player he would tell you no he's our starting NT lol. It's good Fatukasi is looking healthy and can hold the middle down in base packages until Hamilton gets back
Derp-Derp
Hamilton starts at NT and Fatukasi plays the same spot on a very similar amount of snaps. They both also play elsewhere.
You can die on this hill all you want.
I just had the KC vs Jags games from week 10 last year pulled up on rewind to check out the chefs before this week.
So I started it over (in all22) and counted the number of snaps from each of these players when lined up over center.
I got 34 minutes into the all22 footage (just before half time) and the count was
8 snaps over center for Fatukasi
7 snaps over center for Hamilton
I expected it to be more weighted in favor of Davon since the chefs pass so much, but it wasn't.
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(09-13-2023, 06:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 06:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not a nerve for me, you were just wrong on it again. We absolutely signed him for his run defense. But it wasn't for him to just play NT. I'm not looking at a depth chart. I'm looking at who starts at NT when both are healthy and that's Hamilton. We gave Hamilton the big contract in our offseason to be our NT or start at NT, he will start next to Hamilton. Peters also play NT for us last year and did a pretty good job. He comes out in passing situations, I thought you knew this lol. Big boys gets tired and is not going to be able to play the % of snaps as the ends and you want him resting in passing situations, hes 335 lbs lol. I'd bet the house on if you asked Doug if Hamilton is a rotational player he would tell you no he's our starting NT lol. It's good Fatukasi is looking healthy and can hold the middle down in base packages until Hamilton gets back
Derp-Derp
Hamilton starts at NT and Fatukasi plays the same spot on a very similar amount of snaps. They both also play elsewhere.
You can die on this hill all you want.
I just had the KC vs Jags games from week 10 last year pulled up on rewind to check out the chefs before this week.
So I started it over (in all22) and counted the number of snaps from each of these players when lined up over center.
I got 34 minutes into the all22 footage (just before half time) and the count was
8 snaps over center for Fatukasi
7 snaps over center for Hamilton
I expected it to be more weighted in favor of Davon since the chefs pass so much, but it wasn't.
Hamilton is our starting NT. They brought in Fatukasi to help in run d and he will be the 3-4 starting end when Hamilton gets back. Yes he will back up Hamilton at NT as will Ledbetter. With that said they didnt just bring him in to be a NT. He will likely get some snaps at 3 tech as well when we run some nickel in short yardage downs against some balanced teams. This fantasy land you live in though just thinking we brought him in to play NT was debunked last year as it will again when Hamilton comes back this year. You're right though, it is what it is
(09-13-2023, 07:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 06:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Derp-Derp
Hamilton starts at NT and Fatukasi plays the same spot on a very similar amount of snaps. They both also play elsewhere.
You can die on this hill all you want.
I just had the KC vs Jags games from week 10 last year pulled up on rewind to check out the chefs before this week.
So I started it over (in all22) and counted the number of snaps from each of these players when lined up over center.
I got 34 minutes into the all22 footage (just before half time) and the count was
8 snaps over center for Fatukasi
7 snaps over center for Hamilton
I expected it to be more weighted in favor of Davon since the chefs pass so much, but it wasn't.
Hamilton is our starting NT. They brought in Fatukasi to help in run d and he will be the 3-4 starting end when Hamilton gets back. Yes he will back up Hamilton at NT as will Ledbetter. With that said they didnt just bring him in to be a NT. He will likely get some snaps at 3 tech as well when we run some nickel in short yardage downs against some balanced teams. This fantasy land you live in though just thinking we brought him in to play NT was debunked last year as it will again when Hamilton comes back this year. You're right though, it is what it is
Foley Fatukasi literally played a LOT of snaps at nose tackle as soon as we signed him and is doing so again this season, so ...
If we didn't bring him in to do that I guess we seriously messed up, LOL.
I never said that was the only position he was signed to play. In fact the emphasis of all of my engagement on this topic has been about having him in to defend the run whether he is playing 0-tech, 1-tech, or 3-tech. But NT was obviously always part of the deal.
I gotta let this one die now, because it's tired and played out.
OK - back to some PFF grades of note.
Now, I'm not trying to harp on how bad our OL played in week one, but these grades from the colts DL and LBs do paint a bit of a picture! (Buckner and Franklin probably had legit good games regardless of our OL)
![[Image: Screen-Shot-2023-09-13-at-8-24-14-PM.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/FR93p5vK/Screen-Shot-2023-09-13-at-8-24-14-PM.png)
(09-13-2023, 08:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 07:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] Hamilton is our starting NT. They brought in Fatukasi to help in run d and he will be the 3-4 starting end when Hamilton gets back. Yes he will back up Hamilton at NT as will Ledbetter. With that said they didnt just bring him in to be a NT. He will likely get some snaps at 3 tech as well when we run some nickel in short yardage downs against some balanced teams. This fantasy land you live in though just thinking we brought him in to play NT was debunked last year as it will again when Hamilton comes back this year. You're right though, it is what it is
Foley Fatukasi literally played a LOT of snaps at nose tackle as soon as we signed him and is doing so again this season, so ...
If we didn't bring him in to do that I guess we seriously messed up, LOL.
I never said that was the only position he was signed to play. In fact the emphasis of all of my engagement on this topic has been about having him in to defend the run whether he is playing 0-tech, 1-tech, or 3-tech. But NT was obviously always part of the deal.
I gotta let this one die now, because it's tired and played out.
Every Jag fan knows Fatukasi was brought here to play the run lol. He wasn't brought here to rush the passer. He will start at end opposite RRH and can spell Hamilton at times as well. You are going around in circles.
(09-13-2023, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK - back to some PFF grades of note.
Now, I'm not trying to harp on how bad our OL played in week one, but these grades from the colts DL and LBs do paint a bit of a picture! (Buckner and Franklin probably had legit good games regardless of our OL)
And still put up 31 points of offense.
(09-13-2023, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK - back to some PFF grades of note.
Now, I'm not trying to harp on how bad our OL played in week one, but these grades from the colts DL and LBs do paint a bit of a picture! (Buckner and Franklin probably had legit good games regardless of our OL)
Heh. Last year when PFF rated the line the top third in the league, you went to ESPN like a true devotee because they ranked the Jags second last (from memory on those rankings). Now the PFF says they suck, you're back on the PFF bandwagon. Let me guess, in the local community comedy theatre, you insist on playing the John Cleese character. It's a natural fit. I do admit, you are entertaining.
https://youtu.be/uLlv_aZjHXc?si=mx-0jjOZ7KUIs-xX
(09-13-2023, 03:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2023, 03:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nice to see Fatukasi turn in a good game despite playing through injury.
Here's a nice clip for gatur-boy who tried to tell me stopping the run from the NT position wasn't why Baalke brought him to the Jags.
https://x.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1702...14493?s=20
Hamilton is our starting NT when healthy. Fatukasi is starting at NT because Hamilton is out. Fatukasi was brought in to help the run game next to Hamilton in the middle. Hence why Hamilton started at NT all last year and was going this year as well until he got hurt. When Hamilton comes back he will go back to starting at NT and Fatukasi will be starting at 5 tech 3-4 end.
Except for the fact that Foley was lining up at NT in training camp with the starting unit even when Hamilton was on the field lol.