(09-19-2023, 07:52 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 07:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
The truth on this topic is very plain and clear. You apparently just want too convolute it.
I'll lay it out for you:
- Rioters made up of several dozen actual domestic terrorists, a few freak show bad people, a large number of useful idiots who believed a lie and got really riled up by it, and a few hundred bystanders that got swept up in the moment, assaulted American police officers in order to trespass into a federal building where our election was being certified
- 140 officers (80 cap police, 60 metro) experienced some degree of assault by the 3,500 or so rioters, roughly 2,000 of which actually entered the building.
- When a group of them finally got close enough to lawmakers to inflict harm - lethal force was used after instructions failed
- The most organized among these rioters had plans in place for several days and all of this has been hashed out in dozens of articles and publicly available court records.
These group's goals included intent to kidnap lawmakers, make demands about the election results after taking hostages, and some even openly discussed killing certain lawmakers. The FBI didn't coerce them to do it. Antifa didn't trick them. They thought the election was stolen (when it wasn't) and they decided to attempt some crackpot insurrection.
Now many of them are deservedly in jail.
The end.
How am I convoluting anything? I asked a very simple question because all I see from both sides is excusing the transgressions of their side while persecuting the other side for doing the exact same thing. For the record, I agree that the knuckleheads breaking windows, assaulting officers and inciting violence should be prosecuted. That’s not exactly what is happening here however. Seems more like a selective enforcement.
Both sides? What other "side" perpetrated something of this magnitude? When was it?
(09-19-2023, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 07:52 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]How am I convoluting anything? I asked a very simple question because all I see from both sides is excusing the transgressions of their side while persecuting the other side for doing the exact same thing. For the record, I agree that the knuckleheads breaking windows, assaulting officers and inciting violence should be prosecuted. That’s not exactly what is happening here however. Seems more like a selective enforcement.
All of your Trump invocations reeked of agenda.
Apologies.
I haven't analyzed every single case brought against every single rioter that day, but as evidence has been gathered over time - more than 1100 of those "2000" who trespassed that day have been charged. That number went from 700 back in July to over 1100 now. Seems to me they have been systematically gathering evidence and prosecuting.
What is selective about this to you?
Epps being charged with misdemeanors this late in the “investigation” after seeing video of him literally inciting the crowd.
1. What took so long?
2. Why only misdemeanors?
There is a cloud over this guy as well as real time footage. This should have been a slam dunk on speed and more serious charges.
(09-19-2023, 08:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 07:52 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]How am I convoluting anything? I asked a very simple question because all I see from both sides is excusing the transgressions of their side while persecuting the other side for doing the exact same thing. For the record, I agree that the knuckleheads breaking windows, assaulting officers and inciting violence should be prosecuted. That’s not exactly what is happening here however. Seems more like a selective enforcement.
Both sides? What other "side" perpetrated something of this magnitude? When was it?
There you go again!
(09-20-2023, 06:13 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2023, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]All of your Trump invocations reeked of agenda.
Apologies.
I haven't analyzed every single case brought against every single rioter that day, but as evidence has been gathered over time - more than 1100 of those "2000" who trespassed that day have been charged. That number went from 700 back in July to over 1100 now. Seems to me they have been systematically gathering evidence and prosecuting.
What is selective about this to you?
Epps being charged with misdemeanors this late in the “investigation” after seeing video of him literally inciting the crowd.
1. What took so long?
2. Why only misdemeanors?
There is a cloud over this guy as well as real time footage. This should have been a slam dunk on speed and more serious charges.
What should the charges be?
He didn't really do anything. He just walked around goading other people to do stuff he wouldn't do himself?
What took so long?
There are still charges being doled out every week. They've charged about 40 people per month since last summer.
Nothing special about Epps charges and timing besides the fact that ppl cooked up a bunch of cockamamie crap about him being a fed.
(09-20-2023, 06:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Title 18 USC 2383
OK
So, they've charged 1100 plus people so far. Mostly with crimes lesser than the one you want them to charge Epps with. So far only about 300 have received actual jail time.
By this "charge Epps with insurrection" logic, you'd want over 3000 people who were there that day imprisoned for no less than 10 years for insurrection??
He didn't even enter the building? Why should he be charged with that?
If encouraging people to do something stupid that day qualifies as insurrection, they'll be charging Giuliani and Trump's son (and many other Trump orbit flunkies) with the same.
(09-20-2023, 06:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Title 18 USC 2383
Epps incited something.
It was the same event Trump incited.
If you think Epps should be charged under that statute, I assume you agree that Trump should also?
Lol. Dude. Epps was literally on the FBI's most wanted, then was taken off without being brought in. The mistake was putting him up there in the first place. CLEARLY, he did something to warrant attention. Something had to be reconciled to take him off. They are charging people for much less heinous crimes. He's obviously an agent of some kind. Sure, I'm speculating, but none of this is outside of the pail, and you are reaching WAY more than I am. You guys just get to claim you're right because the actors in our kabuki theater are telling you this is all on the up and up. Gobble, gobble.
(09-20-2023, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2023, 06:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Title 18 USC 2383
OK
So, they've charged 1100 plus people so far. Mostly with crimes lesser than the one you want them to charge Epps with. So far only about 300 have received actual jail time.
By this "charge Epps with insurrection" logic, you'd want over 3000 people who were there that day imprisoned for no less than 10 years for insurrection??
He didn't even enter the building? Why should he be charged with that?
If encouraging people to do something stupid that day qualifies as insurrection, they'll be charging Giuliani and Trump's son (and many other Trump orbit flunkies) with the same.
You’ve been shouting from the mountain tops this was an insurrection and everyone needs to be charged. Now you’re walking it back over this guy? The poster child for inciting the Jan 6 insurrection on Jan 7 but mysteriously was no longer a person of interest on Jan 8?
Red flags should be going off in your head but sadly you continue to tow the official narrative.
(09-21-2023, 05:28 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2023, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK
So, they've charged 1100 plus people so far. Mostly with crimes lesser than the one you want them to charge Epps with. So far only about 300 have received actual jail time.
By this "charge Epps with insurrection" logic, you'd want over 3000 people who were there that day imprisoned for no less than 10 years for insurrection??
He didn't even enter the building? Why should he be charged with that?
If encouraging people to do something stupid that day qualifies as insurrection, they'll be charging Giuliani and Trump's son (and many other Trump orbit flunkies) with the same.
You’ve been shouting from the mountain tops this was an insurrection and everyone needs to be charged. Now you’re walking it back over this guy? The poster child for inciting the Jan 6 insurrection on Jan 7 but mysteriously was no longer a person of interest on Jan 8?
Red flags should be going off in your head but sadly you continue to tow the official narrative.
I think it's more of a push than a tow.
It’s not tow, it’s toe.
Just saying.
(09-21-2023, 09:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not tow, it’s toe.
Just saying.
Toe still doesn't seem quite right.................maybe kowtow?
(09-20-2023, 06:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2023, 06:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Title 18 USC 2383
Epps incited something.
It was the same event Trump incited.
If you think Epps should be charged under that statute, I assume you agree that Trump should also?
Wow! Epps and Trump co-incited the same event? I'm sure you have a theory of how they communicated and planned this conspiracy.
(09-21-2023, 05:28 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2023, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK
So, they've charged 1100 plus people so far. Mostly with crimes lesser than the one you want them to charge Epps with. So far only about 300 have received actual jail time.
By this "charge Epps with insurrection" logic, you'd want over 3000 people who were there that day imprisoned for no less than 10 years for insurrection??
He didn't even enter the building? Why should he be charged with that?
If encouraging people to do something stupid that day qualifies as insurrection, they'll be charging Giuliani and Trump's son (and many other Trump orbit flunkies) with the same.
You’ve been shouting from the mountain tops this was an insurrection and everyone needs to be charged. Now you’re walking it back over this guy? The poster child for inciting the Jan 6 insurrection on Jan 7 but mysteriously was no longer a person of interest on Jan 8?
Red flags should be going off in your head but sadly you continue to tow the official narrative.
I never said everyone needs to be charged
The DOJ seems to be doing a good job of identifying actual perpetrators and charging them case by case
Epps' number finally came up - which is fine - I'm sure they have evidence I haven't seen to substantiate the charge
I'm glad they are remaining diligent and prosecuting those who crossed legal boundaries that day
Epps was never a poster child for any one looking at this seriously
He was just a desperate flag for folks tripping over themselves to scramble up some excuse to blame the riot on the feds, antifa, or the ghost of Soros' great-aunt's-next-door-neighbor's-former-dogsitter.
(09-21-2023, 09:42 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (09-20-2023, 06:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Epps incited something.
It was the same event Trump incited.
If you think Epps should be charged under that statute, I assume you agree that Trump should also?
Wow! Epps and Trump co-incited the same event? I'm sure you have a theory of how they communicated and planned this conspiracy.
It was a big event involving many people. Compare it to any other mass event. Did every guy who rioted in DC the night of April 4 1968 know each other? No, but you can say they did the same things and participated in the same event.
(09-21-2023, 10:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2023, 05:28 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]You’ve been shouting from the mountain tops this was an insurrection and everyone needs to be charged. Now you’re walking it back over this guy? The poster child for inciting the Jan 6 insurrection on Jan 7 but mysteriously was no longer a person of interest on Jan 8?
Red flags should be going off in your head but sadly you continue to tow the official narrative.
I never said everyone needs to be charged
The DOJ seems to be doing a good job of identifying actual perpetrators and charging them case by case
Epps' number finally came up - which is fine - I'm sure they have evidence I haven't seen to substantiate the charge
I'm glad they are remaining diligent and prosecuting those who crossed legal boundaries that day
Epps was never a poster child for any one looking at this seriously
He was just a desperate flag for folks tripping over themselves to scramble up some excuse to blame the riot on the feds, antifa, or the ghost of Soros' great-aunt's-next-door-neighbor's-former-dogsitter.
Lol. He was 3rd on the FBIs most wanted list. He was part of the group that breached the barricade. He was inciting people to go INTO the capital building for two days.
People only started asking questions AFTER he was removed from the FBIs most wanted list without being brought in for questioning. After multiple congressional inquiries, he's finally being charged for disorderly conduct?
All of that makes perfect sense. Our government is infallible. Keep using that big brain for big things.
(09-21-2023, 10:17 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2023, 09:42 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Wow! Epps and Trump co-incited the same event? I'm sure you have a theory of how they communicated and planned this conspiracy.
It was a big event involving many people. Compare it to any other mass event. Did every guy who rioted in DC the night of April 4 1968 know each other? No, but you can say they did the same things and participated in the same event.
Participation is not incitement. I'm really getting tired of explaining to you the definitions of the words you choose and misuse. If you're uncertain of their relative definitions, perhaps you could first consult a dictionary?
(09-21-2023, 11:39 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2023, 10:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I never said everyone needs to be charged
The DOJ seems to be doing a good job of identifying actual perpetrators and charging them case by case
Epps' number finally came up - which is fine - I'm sure they have evidence I haven't seen to substantiate the charge
I'm glad they are remaining diligent and prosecuting those who crossed legal boundaries that day
Epps was never a poster child for any one looking at this seriously
He was just a desperate flag for folks tripping over themselves to scramble up some excuse to blame the riot on the feds, antifa, or the ghost of Soros' great-aunt's-next-door-neighbor's-former-dogsitter.
Lol. He was 3rd on the FBIs most wanted list. He was part of the group that breached the barricade. He was inciting people to go INTO the capital building for two days.
People only started asking questions AFTER he was removed from the FBIs most wanted list without being brought in for questioning. After multiple congressional inquiries, he's finally being charged for disorderly conduct?
All of that makes perfect sense. Our government is infallible. Keep using that big brain for big things.
LOL indeed
Someone making that list and being removed from it
after questioning is not grounds for some horse [BLEEP] conspiracy
It simply is what it is
You are just continuing to spread baseless lies.
I'm using about .001% of my normal brain to illustrate how gullible and stubborn you are being about something that has zero merit to have been blown into this [BLEEP] storm of conspiracy garbage.
Read and learn.
Quote:Epps maintains that he did not enter the Capitol on January 6 and did not break any laws. His photo initially appeared on an FBI website that sought information about people of interest who were in and around the Capitol grounds that day. The photo was taken down after Epps was questioned by the FBI.
CBS - News
Quote:[font=nyt-imperial, georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif]Mr. Epps said that he had acted stupidly at times when he and one of his sons took a last-minute trip to Washington for Mr. Trump’s speech about election fraud. But he said that he had managed to avoid arrest because he reached out to the F.B.I. within minutes of discovering that agents wanted to speak with him.
On Jan. 8, 2021, just two days after the Capitol was attacked, Mr. Epps learned from a family member that the F.B.I. had issued a be-on-the-lookout alert in his name. He said he immediately called the bureau’s National Threat Operations Center, and his phone records show that he spoke to agents there for nearly an hour.[/font]
NYT
It was a noting burger from the start - just one more desperate attempt at propaganda by the infotainment set.
He's an idiot that instigated bad behavior and he's now charged for it.
the end.
(09-21-2023, 12:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2023, 11:39 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. He was 3rd on the FBIs most wanted list. He was part of the group that breached the barricade. He was inciting people to go INTO the capital building for two days.
People only started asking questions AFTER he was removed from the FBIs most wanted list without being brought in for questioning. After multiple congressional inquiries, he's finally being charged for disorderly conduct?
All of that makes perfect sense. Our government is infallible. Keep using that big brain for big things.
LOL indeed
Someone making that list and being removed from it after questioning is not grounds for some horse [BLEEP] conspiracy
It simply is what it is
You are just continuing to spread baseless lies.
I'm using about .001% of my normal brain to illustrate how gullible and stubborn you are being about something that has zero merit to have been blown into this [BLEEP] storm of conspiracy garbage.
Read and learn.
Quote:Epps maintains that he did not enter the Capitol on January 6 and did not break any laws. His photo initially appeared on an FBI website that sought information about people of interest who were in and around the Capitol grounds that day. The photo was taken down after Epps was questioned by the FBI.
CBS - News
Quote:[font=nyt-imperial, georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif]Mr. Epps said that he had acted stupidly at times when he and one of his sons took a last-minute trip to Washington for Mr. Trump’s speech about election fraud. But he said that he had managed to avoid arrest because he reached out to the F.B.I. within minutes of discovering that agents wanted to speak with him.
On Jan. 8, 2021, just two days after the Capitol was attacked, Mr. Epps learned from a family member that the F.B.I. had issued a be-on-the-lookout alert in his name. He said he immediately called the bureau’s National Threat Operations Center, and his phone records show that he spoke to agents there for nearly an hour.[/font]
NYT
It was a noting burger from the start - just one more desperate attempt at propaganda by the infotainment set.
He's an idiot that instigated bad behavior and he's now charged for it.
the end.
The bolded above is the only true thing in your post. Everything else is manufactured gobbledygook.
(09-21-2023, 12:35 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2023, 12:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL indeed
Someone making that list and being removed from it after questioning is not grounds for some horse [BLEEP] conspiracy
It simply is what it is
You are just continuing to spread baseless lies.
I'm using about .001% of my normal brain to illustrate how gullible and stubborn you are being about something that has zero merit to have been blown into this [BLEEP] storm of conspiracy garbage.
Read and learn.
CBS - News
NYT
It was a noting burger from the start - just one more desperate attempt at propaganda by the infotainment set.
He's an idiot that instigated bad behavior and he's now charged for it.
the end.
The bolded above is the only true thing in your post. Everything else is manufactured gobbledygook.
So shocked that you want to cling to lies and conspiracy instead of dead [BLEEP], black and white truth staring you in your gullible face.
They have the phone records proving he was questioned and you just continue to lie about it like a little [BLEEP] instead of accepting the simple and basic truth of the situation
Just like 90% of your house of cards garbage in this forum. You prop up empty propaganda rather than face reality.
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