(09-26-2023, 02:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 01:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]They are running outside by design about 5 times per game so far (6 vs Houston)
That is probably a bit less than they did in many games last year. So - for those scrambling to blame Press Taylor for everything, I guess they could lament he calls inside runs a few times more per game than Doug did, LOL. (it's like the only part of our game working, but, whatever)
They do have some creative blocking dialed up for the inside stuff at times, but unfortunately it seems to be just one more thing for this offensive line to screw up. ETN has been making lemonade of the blocking lemons he was saddled with.
LOL, you love your hyperbole, don't ya?
According to PFF, the run blocking has actually been pretty good. Just something to chew on while you are widdling the next straw man you'll throw my way.
I'm not sure why it's such an offense to you to point out that running 1st down on every single down in the first half isn't the best strategy, to the point of resorting to insults and making up false assertions. I would just assume most football fans realize that being predictable on offense isn't the best strategy... I mean, even though ETN was doing a great job with the plays he was asked to run, we ended the first half with 0 points... I would say that being predictable helped contribute to our ineffectiveness. Yes, the drops also killed us. But the predictability didn't help, either.
Bro, seriously, are you [BLEEP] kidding me? You've [BLEEP] posted about Press Taylor non-stop for a week. This whole thread is a Press Taylor Sucks thread.
if Cam Robinson is at LT, i would run Etienne off tackle to the left with a pulling guard/tight end to kick out the edge.
Otherwise I'd run power behind Scherff on the right side. then after the Oline gets in rhythm, i would play action fake and try and hit a bomb down the sideline to Ridley or Engram on a seam route.
The lack of play action and run fakes so far this season is concerning to me; not sure if they just dont trust the Oline enough to hold up long enough to sell it or what but its just weird to see us not try and slow the rush with some play action.
But on 1st and Goal from the 1 Yard Line, we don't run ETN !!! Now, isn't that ironic. HA !!!
(09-26-2023, 02:52 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]if Cam Robinson is at LT, i would run Etienne off tackle to the left with a pulling guard/tight end to kick out the edge.
Otherwise I'd run power behind Scherff on the right side. then after the Oline gets in rhythm, i would play action fake and try and hit a bomb down the sideline to Ridley or Engram on a seam route.
The lack of play action and run fakes so far this season is concerning to me; not sure if they just dont trust the Oline enough to hold up long enough to sell it or what but its just weird to see us not try and slow the rush with some play action.
I’ve always been a cam fan even when some people wanted to move on. Now, I think most people realize we need him back and playing well. Ben is not it at LG. He’s bringing the entire line down. Jags need to look at making some adjustments on the o line if they continue to have pass protection struggles.
First play against Atlanta....an eight yard out to Ridley.
Annexation of Puerto Rico
(09-26-2023, 04:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Annexation of Puerto Rico
He did say all options...
You guys crack me up.....I remember in the late 90's the first play of the game was always off tackle to the left to Fred. Didn't hurt that Bo was there...
(09-26-2023, 02:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 02:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]LOL, you love your hyperbole, don't ya?
According to PFF, the run blocking has actually been pretty good. Just something to chew on while you are widdling the next straw man you'll throw my way.
I'm not sure why it's such an offense to you to point out that running 1st down on every single down in the first half isn't the best strategy, to the point of resorting to insults and making up false assertions. I would just assume most football fans realize that being predictable on offense isn't the best strategy... I mean, even though ETN was doing a great job with the plays he was asked to run, we ended the first half with 0 points... I would say that being predictable helped contribute to our ineffectiveness. Yes, the drops also killed us. But the predictability didn't help, either.
Bro, seriously, are you [BLEEP] kidding me? You've [BLEEP] posted about Press Taylor non-stop for a week. This whole thread is a Press Taylor Sucks thread.
actually, I spent about 30 minutes breaking down the Kick off Return for a TD by fatty Full Back last night... But go on...
(09-26-2023, 06:55 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys crack me up.....I remember in the late 90's the first play of the game was always off tackle to the left to Fred. Didn't hurt that Bo was there...
Dude, I get it. Run on 1st down was the Jagaurs game plan from like 2007 to 2021. But that type of play calling just doesn't work anymore unless the rusher is the QB on an RPO.
But this isn't the 90s and we don't have an RPO QB...
Trying to just explain things to these MODs is apparently like saying that the Earth is Round.... It's crazy how they are attacking me like I'm the crazy one.
Oh wait. NO... I am crazy. But what I'm saying here isn't so much...
(09-26-2023, 06:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 02:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Who loves hyperbole??
LOL
The irony
They passed 5 times on 1st down in the first half, Einstein
Oh, yet another insult. What's funnier is that you're still trying to hang your hat on how well the play calling is.
So I went back and looked. And hey, einstein, it was actually only 4 pass plays on first down. Maybe learn how to count to 4 before you call someone an Einstien!!!
LMAO! You can't even count correctly, and yet you think you are holier than everyone!!! It's getting pathetic!
Also, I'm sure you know that one of the passing downs was NOT 1st and 10, but 1st and 5. I'm giving you that one, but I really shouldn't. On first and 10 we only passed 3 times. And of the 3 times we passed on 3rd and 10, it was mainly at the end of a quarter or end of the half.
All the rest of our 1st downs, which there were 12, we ran it 9 times. 9 times run up between the hashes from shotgun, to ETN. And again, all the pass plays were because the quarter or the half was ending. So if the clock is running and we're not in hurry up, we were running it on 1st and 10. That's what I said. And the plays point that out.
Even with my explanation, your inability to count is hilarious!!!
You calling me a genius, and you can't even count to 4 without adding a phantom passing play. I decided do break it down for you in colors, so maybe you can figure out the count. The green colors mean its a ground play. You know. Green for Grass....
The blue colors for passing plays. You know? How that weird looking brown thing flies in the air. The air, like blue skies? Get it?
1 & 10 - JAC 48
(13:25 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to HOU 42 for 6 yards (W.Anderson; J.Ward)
1 & 10 - JAC 31
(12:25 - 1st) T.Etienne right end to HOU 30 for 1 yard (W.Anderson - S.Griffin).
1 & 10 - JAC 25
(7:35 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 28 for 3 yards (W.Anderson).
1 & 10 - JAC 37
(5:57 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 41 for 4 yards (C.Harris).
1 & 10 - JAC 17
(1:43 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 24 for 7 yards (H.To'oTo'o).
1 & 10 - JAC 30 (END OF 1st QUARTER)
(0:52 - 1st) T.Lawrence pass short left to L.Farrell to JAC 34 for 4 yards (D.Horton).
1 & 10 - JAC 43
(15:00 - 2nd) T.Etienne left end to JAC 44 for 1 yard (J.Greenard).
1 & 10 - JAC 39
(13:25 - 2nd) T.Etienne left end to HOU 37 for 2 yards (S.Nelson).
1 & 5 - JAC 28
(6:55 - 2nd) T.Lawrence pass short right to T.Etienne to JAC 46 for 18 yards (J.Ward).
1 & 10 - JAC 46
(6:22 - 2nd) T.Etienne up the middle to 50 for 4 yards (E.Murray).
1 & 10 - JAC 31
(3:54 - 2nd) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 35 for 4 yards (J.Ward - B.Cashman).
1 & 10 - JAC 42
(2:01 - 2nd) T.Lawrence pass short left to T.Jones to JAC 47 for 5 yards (G.Arnold - H.To'oTo'o).
1 & 10 - JAC 45
(1:21 - 2nd) T.Lawrence pass incomplete short left to T.Etienne (B.Cashman) [K.Davis].
Count the blue ones, bro... You can include the black one if you want. But if you look at the Title of the Thread, it's 1st and 10.... But I know, remembering stuff can be hard for Einsteins like you and me... So I guess I could forgive you that. Though, I know you'd never give me any leeway, based on how disingenious you've been this whole discussion. Bless your heart.
And again, I just want to point out that the only 3 times on 1st and 10 that we actually threw the ball was based on end of Quarter or end of Half, which is situational. But on field position and in the heart of the game, the game plan was 1st and 10, shotgun, 11 formation, handoff to ETN.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. I hope some of you, (specifically New Yorkers that apparently have a hard time counting) have learned something.
EDIT: And I just want to remind you, NYCJag, that we scored 0 points in the first half with our 1st half game plan... ZERO POINTS
(09-26-2023, 07:03 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 06:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, yet another insult. What's funnier is that you're still trying to hang your hat on how well the play calling is.
So I went back and looked. And hey, einstein, it was actually only 4 pass plays on first down. Maybe learn how to count to 4 before you call someone an Einstien!!!
LMAO! You can't even count correctly, and yet you think you are holier than everyone!!! It's getting pathetic!
Also, I'm sure you know that one of the passing downs was NOT 1st and 10, but 1st and 5. I'm giving you that one, but I really shouldn't. On first and 10 we only passed 3 times. And of the 3 times we passed on 3rd and 10, it was mainly at the end of a quarter or end of the half.
All the rest of our 1st downs, which there were 12, we ran it 9 times. 9 times run up between the hashes from shotgun, to ETN. And again, all the pass plays were because the quarter or the half was ending. So if the clock is running and we're not in hurry up, we were running it on 1st and 10. That's what I said. And the plays point that out.
Even with my explanation, your inability to count is hilarious!!!
You calling me a genius, and you can't even count to 4 without adding a phantom passing play. I decided do break it down for you in colors, so maybe you can figure out the count. The green colors mean its a ground play. You know. Green for Grass....
The blue colors for passing plays. You know? How that weird looking brown thing flies in the air. The air, like blue skies? Get it?
1 & 10 - JAC 48
(13:25 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to HOU 42 for 6 yards (W.Anderson; J.Ward)
1 & 10 - JAC 31
(12:25 - 1st) T.Etienne right end to HOU 30 for 1 yard (W.Anderson - S.Griffin).
1 & 10 - JAC 25
(7:35 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 28 for 3 yards (W.Anderson).
1 & 10 - JAC 37
(5:57 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 41 for 4 yards (C.Harris).
1 & 10 - JAC 17
(1:43 - 1st) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 24 for 7 yards (H.To'oTo'o).
1 & 10 - JAC 30 (END OF 1st QUARTER)
(0:52 - 1st) T.Lawrence pass short left to L.Farrell to JAC 34 for 4 yards (D.Horton).
1 & 10 - JAC 43
(15:00 - 2nd) T.Etienne left end to JAC 44 for 1 yard (J.Greenard).
1 & 10 - JAC 39
(13:25 - 2nd) T.Etienne left end to HOU 37 for 2 yards (S.Nelson).
1 & 5 - JAC 28
(6:55 - 2nd) T.Lawrence pass short right to T.Etienne to JAC 46 for 18 yards (J.Ward).
1 & 10 - JAC 46
(6:22 - 2nd) T.Etienne up the middle to 50 for 4 yards (E.Murray).
1 & 10 - JAC 31
(3:54 - 2nd) T.Etienne up the middle to JAC 35 for 4 yards (J.Ward - B.Cashman).
1 & 10 - JAC 42
(2:01 - 2nd) T.Lawrence pass short left to T.Jones to JAC 47 for 5 yards (G.Arnold - H.To'oTo'o).
1 & 10 - JAC 45
(1:21 - 2nd) T.Lawrence pass incomplete short left to T.Etienne (B.Cashman) [K.Davis].
Count the blue ones, bro... You can include the black one if you want. But if you look at the Title of the Thread, it's 1st and 10.... But I know, remembering stuff can be hard for Einsteins like you and me... So I guess I could forgive you that. Though, I know you'd never give me any leeway, based on how disingenious you've been this whole discussion. Bless your heart.
And again, I just want to point out that the only 3 times on 1st and 10 that we actually threw the ball was based on end of Quarter or end of Half, which is situational. But on field position and in the heart of the game, the game plan was 1st and 10, shotgun, 11 formation, handoff to ETN.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. I hope some of you, (specifically New Yorkers that apparently have a hard time counting) have learned something.
EDIT: And I just want to remind you, NYCJag, that we scored 0 points in the first half with our 1st half game plan... ZERO POINTS
LOL
You're triggered, dude.
Stop taking it so personally.
People aren't always friendly on the internet when you go off on ill informed tangents about sports.
But congratulations on figuring out you were full of [BLEEP] when you said we ran it on every first down in the half.
HAHAHA
Next time, maybe put together your little TED talk before talking out of your backside.
Einstein
You have my sincere apologies for incorrectly citing 5 throws instead of 4.
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/AS87X6b4JMysj3biuk/giphy.gif)
Now - moving on -
Just to keep a tally of all the trash in your post:
- I never complimented the play calling - I said I'd have changed 3 or 4 plays in each game so far - I stated very clearly (repeatedly for your slow uptake) that you're being silly acting like all of the horrible mistakes by the players had anything to do with the plays called or who called them - and you know that I said that - but you're being "disingenuous"
- Running ETN is still a great strategy given our pass protection and execution by receivers - and I hope they drive you crazy by running 30 times in London on Sunday
- Lastly - I'm not from New York - born and raised in Duval County and moved back there after 14 years working in NYC (which was when I created the account and the name)
Have you given up on your ridiculous story that we are playing a different scheme yet?
(09-26-2023, 07:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 07:03 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]EDIT: And I just want to remind you, NYCJag, that we scored 0 points in the first half with our 1st half game plan... ZERO POINTS
LOL
You're triggered, dude.
Stop taking it so personally.
People aren't always friendly on the internet when you go off on ill informed tangents about sports.
But congratulations on figuring out you were full of [BLEEP] when you said we ran it on every first down in the half.
HAHAHA
Next time, maybe put together your little TED talk before talking out of your backside.
Einstein
You have my sincere apologies for incorrectly citing 5 throws instead of 4.
Now - moving on -
Just to keep a tally of all the trash in your post:- I never complimented the play calling - I said I'd have changed 3 or 4 plays in each game so far - I stated very clearly (repeatedly for your slow uptake) that you're being silly acting like all of the horrible mistakes by the players had anything to do with the plays called or who called them - and you know that I said that - but you're being "disingenuous"
- Running ETN is still a great strategy given our pass protection and execution by receivers - and I hope they drive you crazy by running 30 times in London on Sunday
- Lastly - I'm not from New York - born and raised in Duval County and moved back there after 14 years working in NYC (which was when I created the account and the name)
Have you given up on your ridiculous story that we are playing a different scheme yet?
I mean, as long as you can prove that you can count to five without skipping a number... I think we'd be good...
Right?
I color coded it for you... Just count them out. You can use your fingers if needed. I have a kids. I won't judge.
(09-26-2023, 07:51 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 07:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, as long as you can prove that you can count to five without skipping a number... I think we'd be good...
Right?
I color coded it for you... Just count them out. You can use your fingers if needed. I have a kids. I won't judge.
You do realize that you are arguing with a Moderator, right? He has the ability to remove you from the board.
What am I doing that is against the rules? To be honest, the way he's been attacking me, I should report him to the MODs. LOL.
He's called me a moron. He's questioned my intelligence. He's attacked me for about 2 weeks now... I would hope MODs would at least be more professional. I have done nothing worthy of a warning, much less be banned. Other than disagreeing with a MOD and then calling him out for his abusing behavior towards me.
I provided every 1st down and 10 from Sunday. I even gave him the 1st and 5, which was clearly not a part of my post. But I gave it to him, because I am a good dude. I'm not disingenous. I don't argue in bad faith.
And even with that 1st and five play, there was not 5 pass plays on 1st and 10 in the first half.
And yet he's allowed to attack me and question my intelligence? Yet he can't count? Well, whatever. I'm sure he'll continue to attack me. But I won't break the rules of the forum. But I will continue to call him out when he's being mean or inappropriate.
(09-26-2023, 07:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 07:51 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that you are arguing with a Moderator, right? He has the ability to remove you from the board.
What am I doing that is against the rules? To be honest, the way he's been attacking me, I should report him to the MODs. LOL.
He's called me a moron. He's questioned my intelligence. He's attacked me for about 2 weeks now... I would hope MODs would at least be more professional. I have done nothing worthy of a warning, much less be banned. Other than disagreeing with a MOD and then calling him out for his abusing behavior towards me.
It's fine to argue with me. Mods here aren't so
special.
I just wish you'd stop taking my jabs so personally.
I just have an aggressive way of pointing out bull [BLEEP] when I see it.
Just consider me a meaner version of Statler and Waldorf from the muppets.
(you'll probably have to look that up - they make fun of people a lot)
I think you are smarter than I've been labeling you, you're just having an emotional reaction to the Jags sucking and it's keeping you from seeing it rationally in my honest opinion.
Relax a bit. Sorry I upset you.
(09-26-2023, 08:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 07:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]What am I doing that is against the rules? To be honest, the way he's been attacking me, I should report him to the MODs. LOL.
He's called me a moron. He's questioned my intelligence. He's attacked me for about 2 weeks now... I would hope MODs would at least be more professional. I have done nothing worthy of a warning, much less be banned. Other than disagreeing with a MOD and then calling him out for his abusing behavior towards me.
It's fine to argue with me. Mods here aren't so special.
I just wish you'd stop taking my jabs so personally.
I just have an aggressive way of pointing out bull [BLEEP] when I see it.
Just consider me a meaner version of Statler and Waldorf from the muppets.
(you'll probably have to look that up - they make fun of people a lot)
I think you are smarter than I've been labeling you, you're just having an emotional reaction to the Jags sucking and it's keeping you from seeing it rationally in my honest opinion.
Relax a bit. Sorry I upset you.
LOL, I'm not the guy that is insulting the other guy, first. They drew First Blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtWHgkNH5yU
I ask you also to relax a bit. I'm not trying to attack you. Sorry if you feel you have to defend things that have nothing to do with you.
You and FLsportsGod should both relax a bit. We're all DIE HARD. Nobody here is against the Jags. Stop being so defensive.
(09-26-2023, 08:19 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 08:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's fine to argue with me. Mods here aren't so special.
I just wish you'd stop taking my jabs so personally.
I just have an aggressive way of pointing out bull [BLEEP] when I see it.
Just consider me a meaner version of Statler and Waldorf from the muppets.
(you'll probably have to look that up - they make fun of people a lot)
I think you are smarter than I've been labeling you, you're just having an emotional reaction to the Jags sucking and it's keeping you from seeing it rationally in my honest opinion.
Relax a bit. Sorry I upset you.
LOL, I'm not the guy that is insulting the other guy, first. They drew First Blood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtWHgkNH5yU
I ask you also to relax a bit. I'm not trying to attack you. Sorry if you feel you have to defend things that have nothing to do with you.
You and FLsportsGod should both relax a bit. We're all DIE HARD. Nobody here is against the Jags. Stop being so defensive.
Meh
If you post garbage, someone will point it out to you, if not me then someone else
You'll be OK, I promise
(09-26-2023, 02:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 02:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Just seems like to me, when you got an explosive back like ETN you'd try and get him outside more often
I don't disagree, but you have to consider this 5 or 6 targets each week serve as an extension of the run and are almost always outside.
So you're looking at 9 or 10 runs inside the tackles - 5 or 6 outside + 5 or 6 targets outside.
It's not exactly lopsided.
I'd be good with more of those stretch play styled outside zone runs. ETN is good at finding a crease with those.
Although the KC defense shut those down when we tried them, so maybe what you saw Sunday reflected some hesitancy to call them due to the prior week's failure to create creases.
Something like a stetch is what i mean, i hate how when we line up for a run its either a shotgun handoff up the middle or under center up the middle. Makes it so easy to defend i feel. Not a big fan of toss plays or reverses