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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/10...t_exactly/

I hope this guy isn't as stubborn as he's seeming to be, hopefully he learns from his mistakes

One of the most upvoted comments, "Press Taylor. Lurie and Howie wanted him and other staff gone. Doug wanted to bring his guys back and promote Press. Wouldn’t concede and so left. Press is the Jaguars OC right now."

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"QB coach and passing coordinator during the down years after the SB, where our receivers couldn't catch, our franchise QB was actively regressing in his mechanics and our passing offense was [BLEEP]."



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"Doug died on the hill of wanting Press Taylor to be promoted to OC after his year as a QB Coach, which after Wentz's historic decline seemed like an absolutely insane notion for him to have."

That was the perceived reason why Doug and the Eagles parted ways. Doug has some crazy loyalty to Press Taylor. Whatever the duties Press had last year, he was amazing at. Keep him doing those. But it's clear making him the Play Caller and in control of the offense isn't working. The entire team is deflated.

I went and rewatched the Kick Return for a TD after we closed the lead to just 7 points. Our special teams was loafing. Loafing. They were either completely gassed and therefor out of shape, or the just didn't have any passion to go all out. And that was when we had finally got momentum back on our side and started looking like we were going to take over the game.

A 255 pound full back ran past our entire Special Teams like he was Tyreek Hill!!! And this was after our special teams played so well against the clots and the chiefs... I mean, yeah, there are a couple players that you can single out. But dude, it's the overall malaise of the team that is concerning. Doug giving the Offense over to Press has affected this team.

This isn't the same team as last year. It reminds me of Winning Time. Doug just gave the team over to a Paul Westhead type coach. A system coach that thinks only the system matters. Run on first. Throw short on second. Throw mid 3rd or screen. Rinse and Repeat. We need Pederson, a Pat Riley type HC that understands the entire game and the feel for the game. You don't just run a system. You get your playmakers out in space and let them make a play. You free them up to be stars. You don't tie them down into a system.

I refuse to believe that Pederson is so stubborn that he's going to waste this season trying to get Press Taylor a promotion. Press isn't an OC. Press isn't HC. Press is a great whatever the hell he did last year that can communicate and demonstrate the goals of a real OC/HC.

Jacob Harris was taking Tim Jones snaps on ST. He lost contain and couldn’t catch the fullback. Watch what TJ does in that spot. What he doesn’t do is lose contain.

(09-25-2023, 05:55 PM)Mississippi Jag Wrote: [ -> ]Jacob Harris was taking Tim Jones snaps on ST. He lost contain and couldn’t catch the fullback. Watch what TJ does in that spot. What he doesn’t do is lose contain.

Dude, it's a complete failure by the entire squad.

Harris is the biggest culprit.  But Tre Herndon slows down and then hesitates, and doesn't keep contain, then makes a crap effort at trying to tackle.  Just no effort by a guy that used to go all out.

Then there's Shaq Quarterman, instead of going all out to pursuit, he take offense to a Houston blocker and starts a fight with that blocker instead of chasing down the slow FB. 

Chad Muma get's a slight shove and decides that good enough for him to stop pursuit...

But no worries!!!  We have Cisco (5), Wingard (42), and D'Ernest Johnson (25) all in pursuit with proper angles to make sure we get him down near the 50...

Except, wait!!!!  All 3 of these guys, these 3 guys that are baller.  2 of them, Cisco and Wingard were the heart of our Defense and the passion of the team last year!!!  Those 2 and D'Ernest, just jog towards the runner.  They are visually slowing down!!!  They think the play is over...  Instead of making sure to attack the runner and ensure there is no error, they all slow down...

And there he goes, he uses the kicker to basically block 83, who, by the way... Jacob Harris...  Wow...  A WR absolutely got smoked by a FB.  That's embarrasing.

But Cisco, Wingard, and Johnson (5, 42, 25) all should have been running at full speed to cut the angle that they had when Harris made his first break to the outside.  But all 3 just loafed it back like the play would end on it's own volition.

Absolutely embarrassing.  This lack of effort was not around last year.  Last year these dude I named, while maybe not being the most physcially talented gave 100% effort.  Quarterman, Cisco, Wingard, Herndon...  It's as though there's just no reason for them to care.  A team that was supposed to be fighting for a chance at beating the Chiefs and making it to the SB.  

Yeah, we can blame these players.  I blame the coaches.  These players were primed last year.  These players all were here last year and gave their soul to this team.  Now they just don't care?  What's changed?

Not a good play for J Harris

(09-25-2023, 07:26 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Not a good play for J Harris

Not a good play by anyone...

(09-25-2023, 05:53 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]"Doug died on the hill of wanting Press Taylor to be promoted to OC after his year as a QB Coach, which after Wentz's historic decline seemed like an absolutely insane notion for him to have."

That was the perceived reason why Doug and the Eagles parted ways.  Doug has some crazy loyalty to Press Taylor.  Whatever the duties Press had last year, he was amazing at.  Keep him doing those.  But it's clear making him the Play Caller and in control of the offense isn't working.  The entire team is deflated. 

I went and rewatched the Kick Return for a TD after we closed the lead to just 7 points.  Our special teams was loafing.  Loafing.  They were either completely gassed and therefor out of shape, or the just didn't have any passion to go all out.  And that was when we had finally got momentum back on our side and started looking like we were going to take over the game.

A 255 pound full back ran past our entire Special Teams like he was Tyreek Hill!!!  And this was after our special teams played so well against the clots and the chiefs...  I mean, yeah, there are a couple players that you can single out.  But dude, it's the overall malaise of the team that is concerning.  Doug giving the Offense over to Press has affected this team. 

This isn't the same team as last year.  It reminds me of Winning Time.  Doug just gave the team over to a Paul Westhead type coach.  A system coach that thinks only the system matters.  Run on first.  Throw short on second.  Throw mid 3rd or screen.  Rinse and Repeat.  We need Pederson, a Pat Riley type HC that understands the entire game and the feel for the game.  You don't just run a system.  You get your playmakers out in space and let them make a play.  You free them up to be stars.  You don't tie them down into a system.

I refuse to believe that Pederson is so stubborn that he's going to waste this season trying to get Press Taylor a promotion.  Press isn't an OC.  Press isn't HC.  Press is a great whatever the hell he did last year that can communicate and demonstrate the goals of a real OC/HC.

Okay so just to be clear, you're blaming a bad ST play on our offensive coordinator?  Can you explain how that makes sense?

What is Ridley makes the TD catch?

What if Agnew doesn't fumble?

What if Scherff doesn't get a hands to the face penalty?

Are any of those things on Press?

(09-25-2023, 09:44 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 05:53 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]"Doug died on the hill of wanting Press Taylor to be promoted to OC after his year as a QB Coach, which after Wentz's historic decline seemed like an absolutely insane notion for him to have."

That was the perceived reason why Doug and the Eagles parted ways.  Doug has some crazy loyalty to Press Taylor.  Whatever the duties Press had last year, he was amazing at.  Keep him doing those.  But it's clear making him the Play Caller and in control of the offense isn't working.  The entire team is deflated. 

I went and rewatched the Kick Return for a TD after we closed the lead to just 7 points.  Our special teams was loafing.  Loafing.  They were either completely gassed and therefor out of shape, or the just didn't have any passion to go all out.  And that was when we had finally got momentum back on our side and started looking like we were going to take over the game.

A 255 pound full back ran past our entire Special Teams like he was Tyreek Hill!!!  And this was after our special teams played so well against the clots and the chiefs...  I mean, yeah, there are a couple players that you can single out.  But dude, it's the overall malaise of the team that is concerning.  Doug giving the Offense over to Press has affected this team. 

This isn't the same team as last year.  It reminds me of Winning Time.  Doug just gave the team over to a Paul Westhead type coach.  A system coach that thinks only the system matters.  Run on first.  Throw short on second.  Throw mid 3rd or screen.  Rinse and Repeat.  We need Pederson, a Pat Riley type HC that understands the entire game and the feel for the game.  You don't just run a system.  You get your playmakers out in space and let them make a play.  You free them up to be stars.  You don't tie them down into a system.

I refuse to believe that Pederson is so stubborn that he's going to waste this season trying to get Press Taylor a promotion.  Press isn't an OC.  Press isn't HC.  Press is a great whatever the hell he did last year that can communicate and demonstrate the goals of a real OC/HC.

Okay so just to be clear, you're blaming a bad ST play on our offensive coordinator?  Can you explain how that makes sense?

What is Ridley makes the TD catch?

What if Agnew doesn't fumble?

What if Scherff doesn't get a hands to the face penalty?

Are any of those things on Press?

I guess the entire team forgot how to play football

(09-25-2023, 10:18 PM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 09:44 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Okay so just to be clear, you're blaming a bad ST play on our offensive coordinator?  Can you explain how that makes sense?

What is Ridley makes the TD catch?

What if Agnew doesn't fumble?

What if Scherff doesn't get a hands to the face penalty?

Are any of those things on Press?

I guess the entire team forgot how to play football

They certainly looked like the Keystone Kops yesterday.

(09-25-2023, 10:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 10:18 PM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]I guess the entire team forgot how to play football

They certainly looked like the Keystone Kops yesterday.

I guess you weren't watching closely enough to see Press Taylor personally miss 6 tackles on a kick return touchdown, or lineup offsides twice, or jump offsides twice, or drop three catchable passes including a touchdown, or fumble the football on a would be 1st down play in field goal range, or miss a field goal, or allow a FG to be blocked, or let a receiver slip past him three times into open field with no safety help, or throw an interception, or get flagged for illegal hands on a would-be 4th down conversion, or miss Evan Engram running wide open for a touchdown twice.

Man, you really should watch the game again. Don't know how you missed all that.

(09-25-2023, 11:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 10:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They certainly looked like the Keystone Kops yesterday.

I guess you weren't watching closely enough to see Press Taylor personally miss 6 tackles on a kick return touchdown, or lineup offsides twice, or jump offsides twice, or drop three catchable passes including a touchdown, or fumble the football on a would be 1st down play in field goal range, or miss a field goal, or allow a FG to be blocked, or let a receiver slip past him three times into open field with no safety help, or throw an interception, or get flagged for illegal hands on a would-be 4th down conversion, or miss Evan Engram running wide open for a touchdown twice.

Man, you really should watch the game again. Don't know how you missed all that.

someday they'll get someone that'll get their butts in line

So we're blaming the OC for a ST play now. Got it.

I've been critical of Press myself but how is a ST return on the OC?

I blame Corn. Or Option B. Either way I'm 91% I'm correct.

But for real, this charlie foxtrot is a result of a breakdown across the board. Coaches, players, coordinators, etc. It really isn't complicated. If they don't get on the same page it's going to be a long season.

My husband did remind me the Jags lost five in a row last season before they clicked.

(09-26-2023, 08:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I blame Corn. Or Option B. Either way I'm 91% I'm correct.

But for real, this charlie foxtrot is a result of a breakdown across the board. Coaches, players, coordinators, etc. It really isn't complicated. If they don't get on the same page it's going to be a long season.

My husband did remind me the Jags lost five in a row last season before they clicked.

 
Sunday showed me a few things. 

 A team that on paper that are perceived as not as talented can if they play hard as a team can win any Sunday. 

 Our team during times they were not imitating the Keystone cops were pretty good.  

The offense is not executing well enough for anyone to tell if play calling is good or bad.  Those that pretend to know ?  Well they can have an opinion just like I can. I am not buying any of the reasons so far posted due to execution by the team. (or should I say lack of)

The coaches? Well, none of them has been called off sides yet.  None have just totally missed assignments or tackles. Just how do you coach focus during the game?

(09-26-2023, 10:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2023, 08:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I blame Corn. Or Option B. Either way I'm 91% I'm correct.

But for real, this charlie foxtrot is a result of a breakdown across the board. Coaches, players, coordinators, etc. It really isn't complicated. If they don't get on the same page it's going to be a long season.

My husband did remind me the Jags lost five in a row last season before they clicked.

 
Sunday showed me a few things. 

 A team that on paper that are perceived as not as talented can if they play hard as a team can win any Sunday. 

 Our team during times they were not imitating the Keystone cops were pretty good.  

The offense is not executing well enough for anyone to tell if play calling is good or bad.  Those that pretend to know ?  Well they can have an opinion just like I can. I am not buying any of the reasons so far posted due to execution by the team. (or should I say lack of)

The coaches? Well, none of them has been called off sides yet.  None have just totally missed assignments or tackles. Just how do you coach focus during the game?

What the f*ck are coaches even out there doing in some of your eyes then? What's the point of even having them to some of you if it's all the players?

(09-27-2023, 10:08 AM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2023, 10:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] 
Sunday showed me a few things. 

 A team that on paper that are perceived as not as talented can if they play hard as a team can win any Sunday. 

 Our team during times they were not imitating the Keystone cops were pretty good.  

The offense is not executing well enough for anyone to tell if play calling is good or bad.  Those that pretend to know ?  Well they can have an opinion just like I can. I am not buying any of the reasons so far posted due to execution by the team. (or should I say lack of)

The coaches? Well, none of them has been called off sides yet.  None have just totally missed assignments or tackles. Just how do you coach focus during the game?

What the f*ck are coaches even out there doing in some of your eyes then? What's the point of even having them to some of you if it's all the players?

Yep. Lots of deflection going on trying to put all of the blame on the players. I will defer to Leon Searcy who said what we see on Sunday is a reflection of what the coaches expected during the week. 

I have no way to prove it but it sure looks to me like the coaching staff are soft pedaling at practice.

to grab a guy mid play and force him to 


Well first off:

I don't expect them to tackle a fullback who must run a 5+ second 40 as he runs down the sideline AKA Woody Hayes.
I don't expect them to run on the field and yell at a guy to keep covering his man instead of stopping and looking in the backfield.(X3)
I don't expect them to jump up and deflect an errant field goal attempt so it goes thru the uprights.
I don't expect them to run on the field and block a guy on a FG attempt.
I don't expect them to catch a touchdown pass and hand the ball to the receiver who dropped it.
I don't expect them to keep an past all-pro guard's hands out of someones face.
I don't expect them to have a force field in place to stop player from jumping off sides.

These are things that from High School that have been pounded into them and they KNOW these things! These are things that easily cost us about 27 points.
When you add all this what I call static to the equation unless a person is clairvoyant there is no way to know how good or bad the coaching, play calling or game plan was. What do you suggest the coach change in practice?  Do you know what they are already doing?  What drills would you add to stop this?

All a coach can do is bench guys really or knock them down pecking order wise on the depth chart. Which very well may happen if this [BLEEP] crosses over or already crossed the pond with the team for two weeks in London.

Coaches can't catch passes.
Coaches can't block defenders.
Coaches can't tell you to HOW to do your job and then proceed to DO it for you.

So, yeah, just based on Doug's comments and demeanor post last game. That's probably the direction it's headed in.

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(09-27-2023, 10:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2023, 10:08 AM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]What the f*ck are coaches even out there doing in some of your eyes then? What's the point of even having them to some of you if it's all the players?

Yep. Lots of deflection going on trying to put all of the blame on the players. I will defer to Leon Searcy who said what we see on Sunday is a reflection of what the coaches expected during the week. 

I have no way to prove it but it sure looks to me like the coaching staff are soft pedaling at practice.

It's weird that certain teams with certain coaches are always in contention...  Even when players come and go...  (Mike Tomlin, Bill Belicheat, Andy Reid, Pete Carrol, John Harbaugh, hell even freaking Mike Vrabel is always in the hunt with that poop show of a roster and franchise.  Vrabel is leading our division!!)

And then some teams flash but then fall behind when a certain coordinator is hired somewhere else or just some players leave.   

Coaching matters.  And if a coaching staff changes their philosophy or responsibilities from one year to the next, there may be a change in performance as well...

I'm not saying anything about anything.  I'm just saying that how a manager defers responsibility, how a manager controls a meetings and training sessions, how a manager illustrates the expectations to employees, all will determine outcomes.  Management is more important than most people think.  And that is within an athletic program as well.  

It's just human nature.  The players aren't robots.  They are human.  And we humans want to find the easiest path to success.  It's up to managers to make sure that the path to success isn't so easy that success isn't a possibility.

(09-27-2023, 10:08 AM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2023, 10:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] 
Sunday showed me a few things. 

 A team that on paper that are perceived as not as talented can if they play hard as a team can win any Sunday. 

 Our team during times they were not imitating the Keystone cops were pretty good.  

The offense is not executing well enough for anyone to tell if play calling is good or bad.  Those that pretend to know ?  Well they can have an opinion just like I can. I am not buying any of the reasons so far posted due to execution by the team. (or should I say lack of)

The coaches? Well, none of them has been called off sides yet.  None have just totally missed assignments or tackles. Just how do you coach focus during the game?

What the -- are coaches even out there doing in some of your eyes then? What's the point of even having them to some of you if it's all the players?

These same coaches coached 8 of these 11 offensive starters in the latter half of last season when they played well
These same coaches coached this same defense late last year when they got scrappy and pulled out wins versus tough teams.

Do you live in some fantasyland where football players can't show up and play bad football at times? 

If you want to point our Press Taylor calling 3, 4 maybe 5 less than brilliant plays  - or the staff deciding weirdly to take Tim Jones off of gunner duty because he became the #4 receiver while Zay is out, then great.

But those few things didn't make receivers drop balls they regularly catch. Brenston Buckner didn't tell the defensive front to give a rookie quarterback 5 seconds to throw on every dropback. Phil Rauscher didn't tell Ben Bartch to let DTs blow past him in 1.2 seconds on 70 percent of Trevor's drop backs. 

I mean - if they keep making all those boneheaded mistakes we can start questioning coaching, but that game really smells like an outlier bad performance on every level. 

By the players.