Both offensive and defensive lines have to be rated near the bottom of the league.
Offensive line can't generate a consistent safe pocket for Trevor to do good check downs.
Defensive line can't sack a QB whose guarded by a poor offensive line.
The Jaguars are soft where it matters most.
The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
(09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
Our oline sucks but even at times when our oline gives him time I think it's the clock in Trevor's head that he needs to get rid of it quick because he is used to the line breaking down quickly. Hopefully he can get over that and the few times our oline does hold up he needs to take advantage
(09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
Lol!! Let's just take one play, the 3rd and long in the 4th Q. Lawrence getting pressured by two Texans 10 yards behind the line, scrambles backwards, throws it away and gets flagged for grounding putting us in a 4th and 28.
That doesn't count as a hit or a sack but not even a pressure now?! This is the problem judging just on stats. Watch the game and you'll see the truth.
(09-25-2023, 06:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
Our oline sucks but even at times when our oline gives him time I think it's the clock in Trevor's head that he needs to get rid of it quick because he is used to the line breaking down quickly. Hopefully he can get over that and the few times our oline does hold up he needs to take advantage
I think the clock is fast in his mind because he's only being given certain looks to process. The entire route scheme over the last 2 weeks have all been short routes. So that means that he needs to find the open route and get it there quick, otherwise, all other routs are going to also be covered. All the routes are breaking early. Nothing is stretching the field. So the safeties are all over the recievers after the 2 seconds. This puts pressure on Trevor to make the right pre-snap read, and then to get the ball out quick so that the receiever has a chance to get the ball before being rocked by the CB or covering LB. Not to mention the safety that's gathering a head of steam.
This entire route system is crap.
(09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
We've watched all 3 games I assume.
In the 3 games I've watched...the MAIN issue with the offense is the lack of protection by the offensive line. Sure, I think they can run block average-above average. Yes...Trevor has been off.
But if Trevor had the time that CJ had, to find receivers...check down...wait for receivers to run open... I think the Jags offense (and Trevor specifically) would look much better.
Obviously it's imo.
(09-25-2023, 06:52 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
We've watched all 3 games I assume.
In the 3 games I've watched...the MAIN issue with the offense is the lack of protection by the offensive line. Sure, I think they can run block average-above average. Yes...Trevor has been off.
But if Trevor had the time that CJ had, to find receivers...check down...wait for receivers to run open... I think the Jags offense (and Trevor specifically) would look much better.
Obviously it's imo.
I do think the line is hurting Trevors play, but I also think he's more prone to making bad decisions under durress than other top guys. I hope it's not a situation of a "clock in his head" as you say, because that could continue to be an issue even when they play well.
You spread out your recievers and let them stretch out the field, you'll be amazed at how much easier it is for the O-Line to recognize where the pressure is coming from. And you'll also be amazed at how much easier it is for a really good QB to pick apart a defense.
But if you just run everything bunched up, and you don't really have routes that stretch out the feild, you'll be amazed at how trash your QB and your offense looks.
How do I know?
I watched every Jaguar game last year. And I've suffered through every Jaguar game this year.
It starts with the playcalls. This offense is out of sync. Screen passes to the RB and Quick slants would help. In the run game traps and counters. 1-2 sets to chip on DE’s. This dude is getting paid millions and can’t get it going. I like to motion presnap but some of these calls are too cute. It may take a trick play to get them going but not to be confused with being too cute, meaning running gadget plays too often. Maybe a little hurry up offense and some short quick stuff just to loosen the defense up.
On defense, nothing will change unless we generate some type of pass rush. Start bringing the DBs like last season. Bring the backers off the edge or shoot right up the middle. The QBs can’t just sit back there and pick us apart. Campbell didn’t play well. Williams didn’t play well. Jenkins has never been good in coverage. Muma is too slow. Lloyd is scatter brained. Walker and Allen are giving you nothing.
Don’t look past Atlanta or any team for that matter.
They are running 4 receiver sets most downs. Slot on each side and two split ends.
They completed multiple long passes against KC.
Trevor completed 67% of his passes against Houston.
Trevor is making bad decisions and hitting passes short of the sticks when guys are open past the sticks.
The one thing they did a lot last year that they are doing less this year is designed roll outs.
I'm telling you, this is a bad break, learn from it situation, not a you're fired, burn it down situation.
32nd in NFL on 3rd down. The timing of the play calls have to improve.
Guys, cleanse your palates. Turn on the Eagles game and watch a REAL O line.
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(09-25-2023, 07:56 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, cleanse your palates. Turn on the Eagles game and watch a REAL O line.
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And a real dline
Tagoviola don’t need but 2 seconds to get the ball down field. He’s reading the field like Superman lasers and the ball comes out on time and he’s splitting jersey numbers in half with straight beamers. I literally heard the ball whistling through my tv.
(09-25-2023, 08:38 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Tagoviola don’t need but 2 seconds to get the ball down field. He’s reading the field like Superman lasers and the ball comes out on time and he’s splitting jersey numbers in half with straight beamers. I literally heard the ball whistling through my tv.
Tua is a beast.
I knew it the day Phins drafted him that he was gonna be elite and alot of ppl thought he wasn't good...
Tua will be hurt and out in a few weeks.
(09-25-2023, 09:19 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 08:38 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Tagoviola don’t need but 2 seconds to get the ball down field. He’s reading the field like Superman lasers and the ball comes out on time and he’s splitting jersey numbers in half with straight beamers. I literally heard the ball whistling through my tv.
Tua is a beast.
I knew it the day Phins drafted him that he was gonna be elite and alot of ppl thought he wasn't good...
It's funny cause i was really high on Tua coming out, and then I fell back a bit on him after his first year or two.. but he's definitely reaching his potential now.
(09-25-2023, 08:38 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Tagoviola don’t need but 2 seconds to get the ball down field. He’s reading the field like Superman lasers and the ball comes out on time and he’s splitting jersey numbers in half with straight beamers. I literally heard the ball whistling through my tv.
How did our jags actually beat the dolphins last time they played? Lol jags offense should up there with the likes of the 49rs and dolphins but……..
(09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
That comment from "SportingNew" (news?) doesnt capture the story. The reason our pressure rate is so low is because we are getting ball out fast on a number of throws. Last I looked Lawrence's release time was one of the fastest in the league. Misleading stats due to the quick throws and horizontal passing game. Part of that is because Doug seems to like the horizontal passing game but a lot of the playcalling semes to be driven by the fact that the line can't hold for very long. That isn't a terrible completion % but the yards per attempt isnt good because they are throwing short.
(09-29-2023, 10:20 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 06:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The offensive line helped an astonishing 5.8 rushing yds/attempt against the Texans.
And SportingNew has the following: "And the issues have not stemmed from a rushed offense. Pressure has not been an issue for the Jaguars this season, with Lawrence having been pressured on only 27.4 percent of his dropbacks, per PFF, the sixth-lowest rate of any starter in the league. And the Texans never got home with pressure on Sunday, tallying no sacks and having just five quarterback hits.
Despite having time to throw, Lawrence was still inconsistent throughout Sunday's game. He completed 27 of 40 attempts for just 279 yards, seven yards per attempt."
[I take PFF with a grain of salt, but that's what the article says]
That comment from "SportingNew" (news?) doesnt capture the story. The reason our pressure rate is so low is because we are getting ball out fast on a number of throws. Last I looked Lawrence's release time was one of the fastest in the league. Misleading stats due to the quick throws and horizontal passing game. Part of that is because Doug seems to like the horizontal passing game but a lot of the playcalling semes to be driven by the fact that the line can't hold for very long. That isn't a terrible completion % but the yards per attempt isnt good because they are throwing short.
Clearly an article by someone who went off the stat sheet and hasn't watched the games. Anyone with eyes can see our OL has been bad more often than even just ok