(10-06-2023, 04:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2023, 03:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Cops per capita is one reason. NYC has 42 per 10k while Jax has 20 per 10k. Population density matters to police work as well. New York City has 6 times as many people crushed into 1/4 the square miles, which makes those 42 cops per 10k people have way less ground to cover to provide police presence. One thing to note in the geography as well is that NYC crime is relatively evenly spread across the city while in Jax we have about 8 zip codes that look like nova stars on a plot map. In those zip codes you find all the harbingers of violent crime, ie a high bastardy rate, single motherhood, poverty, unemployment, economic anxiety, high risk health populations, drug and alcohol abuse, a homogenous population (guess which!), and a small police presence. These are a few reasons, but it's also interesting to note that Jacksonville and NYC aren't that different among the US 20 most populous cities. The real difference in crime rates between D's and R's is found in the next 80 most populous; it seems that big cities' large populations mitigate the differences while smaller ones don't.
.... but Drifter simply attributes it to bad parenting in a Democratic run city.
I don't think you should be quick to dismiss that statistic. Fatherlessness correlates with almost all those negative outcomes. It's a real problem that the left will NEVER address because they are focused on the wrong things.
(10-06-2023, 10:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 04:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ].... but Drifter simply attributes it to bad parenting in a Democratic run city.
I don't think you should be quick to dismiss that statistic. Fatherlessness correlates with almost all those negative outcomes. It's a real problem that the left will NEVER address because they are focused on the wrong things.
They won't address it because it was their goal. They destroyed the black family structure and now they are trying to finish off what's left of the white family structure with the pick a letter, pick whatever you want to be.
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(10-06-2023, 10:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2023, 04:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ].... but Drifter simply attributes it to bad parenting in a Democratic run city.
I don't think you should be quick to dismiss that statistic. Fatherlessness correlates with almost all those negative outcomes. It's a real problem that the left will NEVER address because they are focused on the wrong things.
The right has been in power many times. What have they done to address it?
Octavian was one of the most powerful rulers who ever lived and even he was unable to make disinterested men stay with mothers who weren't interested in them either.
Do you really think that's the problem, Mikey? Disinterested men and women?
(10-07-2023, 08:04 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Do you really think that's the problem, Mikey? Disinterested men and women?
Fatherlessness.
Typically, the man is not interested in playing the role of father, or, the woman is not interested in having him around. Less often, mom wants the dad around but he's enlisted or in jail.
Fatherlessness. You brought it up.
Well you got one thing right in that simple minded brain of yours. I did bring up fatherlessness.
(10-07-2023, 11:42 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Well you got one thing right in that simple minded brain of yours. I did bring up fatherlessness.
Explain it to me like I'm 5. What did I miss?
(10-08-2023, 11:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 08:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Explain it to me like I'm 5. What did I miss?
Your dad.
He's going to join me for a Jags game this year for the first time since 2012!
He was always home with mom until I moved out.
Thanks for asking!
But what did I miss about all the social ills connected to bastardy or fatherlessness?
(10-08-2023, 09:59 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 11:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Your dad.
He's going to join me for a Jags game this year for the first time since 2012!
He was always home with mom until I moved out.
Thanks for asking!
But what did I miss about all the social ills connected to bastardy or fatherlessness?
I can point you to several dozen studies, but many of them are linked in this brief. it's a conservative policy think tank, but the academic links are solid.
https://assets.americafirstpolicy.com/as...ociety.pdf
(10-08-2023, 10:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 09:59 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]He's going to join me for a Jags game this year for the first time since 2012!
He was always home with mom until I moved out.
Thanks for asking!
But what did I miss about all the social ills connected to bastardy or fatherlessness?
I can point you to several dozen studies, but many of them are linked in this brief. it's a conservative policy think tank, but the academic links are solid.
https://assets.americafirstpolicy.com/as...ociety.pdf
I'm aware of all of that.
If Octavian wasn't able to reduce the rate of fatherlessness in Rome, how will you or L2L do any better? What law or program would you implement?
(10-08-2023, 10:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 10:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I can point you to several dozen studies, but many of them are linked in this brief. it's a conservative policy think tank, but the academic links are solid.
https://assets.americafirstpolicy.com/as...ociety.pdf
I'm aware of all of that.
If Octavian wasn't able to reduce the rate of fatherlessness in Rome, how will you or L2L do any better? What law or program would you implement?
It's weird how you think force is the solution.
He says, unknowingly conforming to norms carefully constructed for him.
(10-08-2023, 10:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 10:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I can point you to several dozen studies, but many of them are linked in this brief. it's a conservative policy think tank, but the academic links are solid.
https://assets.americafirstpolicy.com/as...ociety.pdf
I'm aware of all of that.
If Octavian wasn't able to reduce the rate of fatherlessness in Rome, how will you or L2L do any better? What law or program would you implement?
It's all cultural and what's acceptable.
When democrats lost their slaves, they had to take over the civil rights movement. Before then I believe black kids had a higher percentage of both parents living together (can't remember if it was also married but most likely was). Once you give more money away if the father isn't there, women kicked them out. Then the fathers know they aren't wanted and in turn they started treating women like dumpsters.
This was then expanded to all races and now is an economic issue.
Add in all the other stuff to supposedly "help" and its destroyed a very family oriented culture.
Rome was a very messed up place and depending on where you were, the culture was very different. There's no way to know as your weren't specific in where. Rome had a lot of the issues that we are fighting today appected in their culture towards the end before it collapsed.
Simple program to help the most. Provide more assistance for 2 parent homes. Provide less assistance for single parent homes. You can also fine/tax men who have kids with multiple women and aren't living with one of them.
There's no law or program that will fix it though as the people involved have to want to change. Women have the ability to put an immediate stop to it but you can't tell women to do that today. The men involved can't even stay with one woman so there's no way they could have enough control to refrain and make the women change.
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(10-08-2023, 11:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 10:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm aware of all of that.
If Octavian wasn't able to reduce the rate of fatherlessness in Rome, how will you or L2L do any better? What law or program would you implement?
It's weird how you think force is the solution.
What do you think the solution is?
(10-09-2023, 12:16 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 10:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm aware of all of that.
If Octavian wasn't able to reduce the rate of fatherlessness in Rome, how will you or L2L do any better? What law or program would you implement?
It's all cultural and what's acceptable.
When democrats lost their slaves, they had to take over the civil rights movement. Before then I believe black kids had a higher percentage of both parents living together (can't remember if it was also married but most likely was). Once you give more money away if the father isn't there, women kicked them out. Then the fathers know they aren't wanted and in turn they started treating women like dumpsters.
This was then expanded to all races and now is an economic issue.
Add in all the other stuff to supposedly "help" and its destroyed a very family oriented culture.
Rome was a very messed up place and depending on where you were, the culture was very different. There's no way to know as your weren't specific in where. Rome had a lot of the issues that we are fighting today appected in their culture towards the end before it collapsed.
Simple program to help the most. (1) Provide more assistance for 2 parent homes. Provide less assistance for single parent homes. (2) You can also fine/tax men who have kids with multiple women and aren't living with one of them.
There's no law or program that will fix it though as the people involved have to want to change. Women have the ability to put an immediate stop to it but you can't tell women to do that today. The men involved can't even stay with one woman so there's no way they could have enough control to refrain and make the women change.
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Idea 1 is interesting but it probably won't do anything. Today we see mothers hiding the fact that a man lives with them from the government to get more assistance. After we try this idea, some women will lie saying a man does live with them and their kids when he in fact does not.
Idea 2, we already do that. It's called child support.
As for your last paragraph, that's pretty sexist. It takes two to stay and one to leave, in every case. A woman might believe the father of her children is going to stay, doesn't mean he will. A woman can't make a man stay any more than a man can make a woman stay.
(10-09-2023, 06:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2023, 11:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's weird how you think force is the solution.
What do you think the solution is?
The CoC prevents me from discussing the solution here.
(10-09-2023, 07:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2023, 12:16 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's all cultural and what's acceptable.
When democrats lost their slaves, they had to take over the civil rights movement. Before then I believe black kids had a higher percentage of both parents living together (can't remember if it was also married but most likely was). Once you give more money away if the father isn't there, women kicked them out. Then the fathers know they aren't wanted and in turn they started treating women like dumpsters.
This was then expanded to all races and now is an economic issue.
Add in all the other stuff to supposedly "help" and its destroyed a very family oriented culture.
Rome was a very messed up place and depending on where you were, the culture was very different. There's no way to know as your weren't specific in where. Rome had a lot of the issues that we are fighting today appected in their culture towards the end before it collapsed.
Simple program to help the most. (1) Provide more assistance for 2 parent homes. Provide less assistance for single parent homes. (2) You can also fine/tax men who have kids with multiple women and aren't living with one of them.
There's no law or program that will fix it though as the people involved have to want to change. Women have the ability to put an immediate stop to it but you can't tell women to do that today. The men involved can't even stay with one woman so there's no way they could have enough control to refrain and make the women change.
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Idea 1 is interesting but it probably won't do anything. Today we see mothers hiding the fact that a man lives with them from the government to get more assistance. After we try this idea, some women will lie saying a man does live with them and their kids when he in fact does not.
Idea 2, we already do that. It's called child support.
As for your last paragraph, that's pretty sexist. It takes two to stay and one to leave, in every case. A woman might believe the father of her children is going to stay, doesn't mean he will. A woman can't make a man stay any more than a man can make a woman stay.
Agreed that #1 would throw money into a program prime for deception. Verification would be a nightmare and growing the government is the last thing we need.
# 2 already doesn't work because it diminishes the woman's financial incentive to keep the relationship intact.
I think the last paragraph was not sexist, but rather, a biological reference. The ultimate decision to have a child or not, is made by the woman.
You asked earlier what the solution might be. If we accept the premise that fatherless households produce more problem children, what now absent or diminished benefits, does a father figure bring into a two-parent living situation? Financial, disciplinary, role model, leadership? Is it possible that a high percentage of those (male and female) who have children under very casual circumstances, already have problems themselves and their children are predisposed to follow?
(10-09-2023, 09:25 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2023, 06:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think the solution is?
The CoC prevents me from discussing the solution here.
We can infer enough.
Such "solutions" only become plausible after many other things have gone wrong in the order of society and government as we know it. Octavian stepped into such a situation. Still didn't work.
Please don't denigrate my point of view when yours isn't even fit for discussion.
(10-09-2023, 10:53 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2023, 09:25 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The CoC prevents me from discussing the solution here.
We can infer enough.
Such "solutions" only become plausible after many other things have gone wrong in the order of society and government as we know it. Octavian stepped into such a situation. Still didn't work.
Please don't denigrate my point of view when yours isn't even fit for discussion.
Oh, it's fit for discussion and in fact the solution. It's just not permitted here.