(10-22-2023, 03:19 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2023, 11:52 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]This is a jaguar discussion board, if you don’t care to discuss feel free to remove yourself?
Is that your standard response every time you make an irrelevant point and get called out for it?
Like he said feel free to remove yourself....or are you one of the so called fans that always wants to be negative...or do you just want attention
(10-22-2023, 09:05 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 08:31 PM)Hnejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Like he said feel free to remove yourself....or are you one of the so called fans that always wants to be negative...or do you just want attention
You kids crack me up.
Lol kid? I probably double your age... you're the same guy years ago pissed because we couldn't win games then there's a stat like this and then you still complain...you're like I don't care cuz we need wins this season and only care about this season... and yada yada yada.... This is the topic of this thread and once again don't like it move along... Some of us actually like positive things and hearing about stuff like this
(10-21-2023, 07:38 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously who freaking cares what happened LAST year?
Eh, I like stats like this. And it's numbers since game 12 of last year so it includes this year. Does it mean anything in the grand scheme of things? Not really but it's still Interesting in its own way.
(10-22-2023, 09:20 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 09:05 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]You kids crack me up.
Lol kid? I probably double your age... you're the same guy years ago pissed because we couldn't win games then there's a stat like this and then you still complain...you're like I don't care cuz we need wins this season and only care about this season... and yada yada yada.... This is the topic of this thread and once again don't like it move along... Some of us actually like positive things and hearing about stuff like this
And by all means enjoy this meaningless made up stat. Stacking wins across two seasons is pointless. It’s a side note and nothing more. You want to talk about positives? The 2023 Jaguars are 5 and 2 and have an excellent chance of going 6 and 2 heading into the bye week. The defense has exceeded every expectation. The offense has still not hit its stride but is showing improved cohesion every week and at the current pace this team will be peaking at the perfect time for an explosive playoff run. My entire point is we don’t have to manufacture a meaningless stat to feel good. This team, right now is providing everything the fanbase has been begging for for the past 20 years. I don’t need to add last season’s run to enjoy the hell out of what is happening right here and right now and that is my point.
(10-22-2023, 09:31 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2023, 07:38 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously who freaking cares what happened LAST year?
Eh, I like stats like this. And it's numbers since game 12 of last year so it includes this year. Does it mean anything in the grand scheme of things? Not really but it's still Interesting in its own way.
Exactly, besides this forum consist of a 2 year old Trevor Lawrence discussion thread and 45 threads analyzing Luke Fortner and gangs inability to block, it's getting boring on the board.
(10-22-2023, 10:37 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 09:20 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Lol kid? I probably double your age... you're the same guy years ago pissed because we couldn't win games then there's a stat like this and then you still complain...you're like I don't care cuz we need wins this season and only care about this season... and yada yada yada.... This is the topic of this thread and once again don't like it move along... Some of us actually like positive things and hearing about stuff like this
And by all means enjoy this meaningless made up stat. Stacking wins across two seasons is pointless. It’s a side note and nothing more. You want to talk about positives? The 2023 Jaguars are 5 and 2 and have an excellent chance of going 6 and 2 heading into the bye week. The defense has exceeded every expectation. The offense has still not hit its stride but is showing improved cohesion every week and at the current pace this team will be peaking at the perfect time for an explosive playoff run. My entire point is we don’t have to manufacture a meaningless stat to feel good. This team, right now is providing everything the fanbase has been begging for for the past 20 years. I don’t need to add last season’s run to enjoy the hell out of what is happening right here and right now and that is my point.
Bro, you just wrote a paragraph to explain why YOU don't like this thread, i'm not gonna critique you but I have to ask, why? What's the point. And try to reply with a legitimate answer rather than some sort of goofy insult
(10-22-2023, 10:44 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 09:31 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Eh, I like stats like this. And it's numbers since game 12 of last year so it includes this year. Does it mean anything in the grand scheme of things? Not really but it's still Interesting in its own way.
Exactly, besides this forum consist of a 2 year old Trevor Lawrence discussion thread and 45 threads analyzing Luke Fortner and gangs inability to block, it's getting boring on the board.
(10-22-2023, 10:37 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]And by all means enjoy this meaningless made up stat. Stacking wins across two seasons is pointless. It’s a side note and nothing more. You want to talk about positives? The 2023 Jaguars are 5 and 2 and have an excellent chance of going 6 and 2 heading into the bye week. The defense has exceeded every expectation. The offense has still not hit its stride but is showing improved cohesion every week and at the current pace this team will be peaking at the perfect time for an explosive playoff run. My entire point is we don’t have to manufacture a meaningless stat to feel good. This team, right now is providing everything the fanbase has been begging for for the past 20 years. I don’t need to add last season’s run to enjoy the hell out of what is happening right here and right now and that is my point.
Bro, you just wrote a paragraph to explain why YOU don't like this thread, i'm not gonna critique you but I have to ask, why? What's the point. And try to reply with a legitimate answer rather than some sort of goofy insult
1. The answer you seek is in the paragragh above.
2. Where have I goofily insulted you?
We can bury our slow start. Time to get healthy and keep playing to our potential and make our historic run to glory.
Our wins also appear to be quality ones this year so far. Versus the rest of their respective schedules, the Falcons and Bills are both 4-2, the clots are 3-2 (should be 4-1, but got robbed today) and the Saints are 3-3.
(10-22-2023, 08:00 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 06:25 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]So you agree with me.
I agree I wouldn't be as excited about this little streak were on if we won 12-14 games and hadn't ended a season b4 the AFC title game for 5 consecutive years.
However, our franchise has been pretty bad for almost 2 decades so i'm okay with enjoying the recent success, whether it's the latter half of last season or the current 4 game win streak we're on.. just glad to be ENJOYING jaguar football past september if i'm being honest,
What about the first 3 games of last season?
The Ravens game is quickly shaping up to be a benchmark.
(10-20-2023, 10:15 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Cool, but the only ones that count this year are the 7 we have played and the 10 coming up
I hate the stats that combine years, what does it prove or show? Yeah, we had a good year last year, so what does it have to do with 2023? I care about now and right now we are tied for 2nd seed in the conference. That stat is more than enough and I'd argue more impressive than mushing selective stats combined from two completely separate seasons.
(10-23-2023, 01:00 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2023, 10:15 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Cool, but the only ones that count this year are the 7 we have played and the 10 coming up
I hate the stats that combine years, what does it prove or show? Yeah, we had a good year last year, so what does it have to do with 2023? I care about now and right now we are tied for 2nd seed in the conference. That stat is more than enough and I'd argue more impressive than mushing selective stats combined from two completely separate seasons.
For teams in a new system, going from year one to year two, a set of combined statistics can show trajectory
Comparing them, is a slippery slope from team to team, but looking at the Jaguars in particular, combining last year, and this year is relevant to the teams growth
They really need to compile NFL Standings on a revolving basis. I think most people would love seeing the standings from Week 8 last year through Week 7 this year and so forth.
(10-21-2023, 07:38 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously who freaking cares what happened LAST year?
If the team is performing in similar fashion as the year before, it's a good sign that performance is a trend and can shape expectation.
If we were playing like dogturds now, yes, last year's wins wouldn't mean dook.
But, we're continuing where we left off, and most would expect that trajectory to continue unless circumstances change significantly.
I anticipate that this response has helped to answer your inquiry.
(10-22-2023, 05:31 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 02:31 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. This offense is too bi-polar to be top 3 team. If this offense can get it together that could be a possibility. The offense just sputters too much.
Exactly! It’s nothing but a fluff piece by Rich Eisen that unfortunately attention starved Jag fans latched onto. Question. Are KC fans sharing this link on their message board?
The story line should be Jacksonville closed out the 2022 season with 5 straight victories. Snuck into the playoffs. Shocked the favoured LA Chargers and gave the eventual SB champs all they wanted.
The 2023 Jaguars, after a slow start are starting to hit their stride after dropping a close game to KC and getting blown out by the always troublesome Houston Texan’s.
Combining the two seasons is irrelevant. That is my point.
Is it, though?
Last year we were inconsistent offensively, but found ways to gut out some big wins.
I kinda think it's the same story this season. We are not a juggernaut. Woe is us! We should be lamenting our position at the top of the division, what the heck is wrong with fandom these days?
Oh wait, maybe it's just that last year isn't the fluke that 2017 might have been. It's really good that we are having conversations about this team doing well, and not the tired crap about yet another busted early pick, threats of relocation, locker room turmoil or the other tripe we've endured for a generation.
(10-22-2023, 10:37 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 09:20 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Lol kid? I probably double your age... you're the same guy years ago pissed because we couldn't win games then there's a stat like this and then you still complain...you're like I don't care cuz we need wins this season and only care about this season... and yada yada yada.... This is the topic of this thread and once again don't like it move along... Some of us actually like positive things and hearing about stuff like this
And by all means enjoy this meaningless made up stat. Stacking wins across two seasons is pointless. It’s a side note and nothing more. You want to talk about positives? The 2023 Jaguars are 5 and 2 and have an excellent chance of going 6 and 2 heading into the bye week. The defense has exceeded every expectation. The offense has still not hit its stride but is showing improved cohesion every week and at the current pace this team will be peaking at the perfect time for an explosive playoff run. My entire point is we don’t have to manufacture a meaningless stat to feel good. This team, right now is providing everything the fanbase has been begging for for the past 20 years. I don’t need to add last season’s run to enjoy the hell out of what is happening right here and right now and that is my point.
But the bigger point that you seem destined to contest is that what we are seeing this season is largely based on the development of players we were seeing last season. It's not like we went on an offseason spending spree to miraculously rebuild a hollow roster into an overnight contender. This is a process. It carries over from one year to the next.
Look at the Giants - they also managed a berth in the postseason last year, got a COTY award, and kept their QB and RB from last season as their biggest offseason moves. However, DJ has looked like trash, Barkley nurses injury and the offense is putrid. They're 2-5, and last year don't mean a heckuva lot based on the results they are seeing now. Based on that, I think a lot of people would say DJ's season was a fluke; the luster is wearing off of Daboll's shine, and Barkley is showing why they hesitated to give him the long term deal. Few, if any, would consider them a candidate for a run in this year's postseason, regardless of what happened last year.
It's the same reason why the Bungles' slow start this year was grabbing headlines - based on the roster, the past few seasons' performances, and the team remaining fairly intact, the expectation was that they would continue to put up big numbers and be the team to beat in their division. They started out looking miserable, primarily due to Burrow's injury. Did fans or media ridicule them for being a miserable team? No, they preached patience and optimism because they knew who was on the team, and they've recovered from slow starts before. Past performance gave them reason to have positive expectation. And guess what? They're turning things around and contending in the division again.
Point is, we're not seeing inconsistency where Trevor looks like he's never seen a football before. We're not crippled by injury. We are seeing performance that hearkens back to the same show we saw at the end of last year - and because of that, we should be extremely hopeful that this is what we should continue to see over the season. That's not a promise - nothing is guaranteed in the shield - but it's reason to be optimistic that we should look forward to another postseason run if we keep everyone healthy and keep playing like we've been.
(10-24-2023, 09:19 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 10:37 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]And by all means enjoy this meaningless made up stat. Stacking wins across two seasons is pointless. It’s a side note and nothing more. You want to talk about positives? The 2023 Jaguars are 5 and 2 and have an excellent chance of going 6 and 2 heading into the bye week. The defense has exceeded every expectation. The offense has still not hit its stride but is showing improved cohesion every week and at the current pace this team will be peaking at the perfect time for an explosive playoff run. My entire point is we don’t have to manufacture a meaningless stat to feel good. This team, right now is providing everything the fanbase has been begging for for the past 20 years. I don’t need to add last season’s run to enjoy the hell out of what is happening right here and right now and that is my point.
But the bigger point that you seem destined to contest is that what we are seeing this season is largely based on the development of players we were seeing last season. It's not like we went on an offseason spending spree to miraculously rebuild a hollow roster into an overnight contender. This is a process. It carries over from one year to the next.
Look at the Giants - they also managed a berth in the postseason last year, got a COTY award, and kept their QB and RB from last season as their biggest offseason moves. However, DJ has looked like trash, Barkley nurses injury and the offense is putrid. They're 2-5, and last year don't mean a heckuva lot based on the results they are seeing now. Based on that, I think a lot of people would say DJ's season was a fluke; the luster is wearing off of Daboll's shine, and Barkley is showing why they hesitated to give him the long term deal. Few, if any, would consider them a candidate for a run in this year's postseason, regardless of what happened last year.
It's the same reason why the Bungles' slow start this year was grabbing headlines - based on the roster, the past few seasons' performances, and the team remaining fairly intact, the expectation was that they would continue to put up big numbers and be the team to beat in their division. They started out looking miserable, primarily due to Burrow's injury. Did fans or media ridicule them for being a miserable team? No, they preached patience and optimism because they knew who was on the team, and they've recovered from slow starts before. Past performance gave them reason to have positive expectation. And guess what? They're turning things around and contending in the division again.
Point is, we're not seeing inconsistency where Trevor looks like he's never seen a football before. We're not crippled by injury. We are seeing performance that hearkens back to the same show we saw at the end of last year - and because of that, we should be extremely hopeful that this is what we should continue to see over the season. That's not a promise - nothing is guaranteed in the shield - but it's reason to be optimistic that we should look forward to another postseason run if we keep everyone healthy and keep playing like we've been.
I don’t disagree with a single thing you said and I still stand by my statement.
We are a fundamentally sound team who plays complementary football in all 3 phases. Pinch me.