(10-29-2023, 01:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Mikey gets it?
Duh.
Now not all of our issues are like this. But the immigration issue in particular is a Polish Parliament type issue where the legislators are dishonest about their true motives and have to much power to veto a solution. A strong President, with enough determination, could force members of Congress to actually get on the record and solve most of the problem. Trump told us he would be that President, but he obviously wasn't because all he said was "give me a wall." He deferred everything else for Congress to deliberate. Letting intellectually dishonest corrupt people deliberate the thing they are intellectually dishonest and corrupt about is the last thing you should do.
Now Biden isn't solving it either because he's in on it. But that's a story for another day.
So you're saying that Trump should have behaved more like a dictator. Got it. Put Mikey down as a yes for tyranny.
(10-29-2023, 11:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]So you're saying that Trump should have behaved more like a dictator. Got it. Put Mikey down as a yes for tyranny.
That's not what I'm saying. The President can use must-pass bills to force Congress to give certain bills an up or down vote. The President can call a session just for that purpose.
Obama used these types of tactics briefly on immigration but then gave up. After that Obama did a dictator-like move and issued the DACA order. He shouldn't have done that because it effectively took bargaining chips off the table and eliminated what little trust there was.
(10-28-2023, 05:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Texas - where folks want to ban abortion and birth control but rank 28th in educating children
I'd have to think the children being born in Texas are bringing the ranking up, considering a lot of migrants consider English as their 2nd language, so 28th may not be very bad at all, assuming may of these students have only had a few years within the Texas Educational School System.
(10-30-2023, 07:26 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2023, 11:07 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]So you're saying that Trump should have behaved more like a dictator. Got it. Put Mikey down as a yes for tyranny.
That's not what I'm saying. The President can use must-pass bills to force Congress to give certain bills an up or down vote. The President can call a session just for that purpose.
Obama used these types of tactics briefly on immigration but then gave up. After that Obama did a dictator-like move and issued the DACA order. He shouldn't have done that because it effectively took bargaining chips off the table and eliminated what little trust there was.
So you're saying that our congress is bought and paid for (but only in this area), but that the President should "force" these bought and paid for politicians to not vote for better border policies.
Texas gets major win in battle to secure border despite Biden admin's attempts to stop it
Lawsuit brought by Texas says federal officials cut razor wire to let 300 migrants cross illegally
A federal judge on Monday ordered the Biden administration to stop cutting razor wire on fences along the southern border in Texas meant to stop illegal migrant crossings.
Judge Alia Moses of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas on Monday ordered the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to stop "disassembling, degrading, tampering" miles of razor wire running along the Rio Grande near Eagle Pass.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-g...to-stop-it
(10-30-2023, 04:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 07:26 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's not what I'm saying. The President can use must-pass bills to force Congress to give certain bills an up or down vote. The President can call a session just for that purpose.
Obama used these types of tactics briefly on immigration but then gave up. After that Obama did a dictator-like move and issued the DACA order. He shouldn't have done that because it effectively took bargaining chips off the table and eliminated what little trust there was.
So you're saying that our congress is bought and paid for (but only in this area), but that the President should "force" these bought and paid for politicians to not vote for better border policies.
The President should force a vote on whichever coherent border and immigration policy he or she favors. Force congressmen to get on the record, and put their objections in formal speeches or writings, then if needed, address those objections and do it again. Multiple must pass bills per year, so they will have multiple chances.
(10-30-2023, 07:32 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 04:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]So you're saying that our congress is bought and paid for (but only in this area), but that the President should "force" these bought and paid for politicians to not vote for better border policies.
The President should force a vote on whichever coherent border and immigration policy he or she favors. Force congressmen to get on the record, and put their objections in formal speeches or writings, then if needed, address those objections and do it again. Multiple must pass bills per year, so they will have multiple chances.
Biden doesn't have that power.
(10-30-2023, 11:11 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 07:32 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The President should force a vote on whichever coherent border and immigration policy he or she favors. Force congressmen to get on the record, and put their objections in formal speeches or writings, then if needed, address those objections and do it again. Multiple must pass bills per year, so they will have multiple chances.
Biden doesn't have that power.
Of course he does. He can pocket veto any appropriations bill until he gets the bill he wants on the floor. He can call either or both houses of Congress into session at any time.
And you think if Trump had done that, it would have been received well, eh?
(10-31-2023, 09:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]And you think if Trump had done that, it would have been received well, eh?
At first, no. But as he got the legitimate concerns addressed and ultimately got enough votes for passage, he would become a hero. Being President is a job that takes months and years.
Also, this is not the only issue where Congress is bought and paid for obviously.
It might be the only issue where the buyers have intentionally bought deception and gridlock, though.
(10-31-2023, 09:49 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. You're delusional.
It is hard to imagine Trump going back and forth in sincere negotiation, yes. But delusional? No. Hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots is a delusion. Trump actually applying himself to his job is just a hypothesis.
(10-31-2023, 09:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]And you think if Trump had done that, it would have been received well, eh?
I agree that one of Trump's major weaknesses, among the many he had, was the ability to communicate ideas in a manner that would gain the favor of the general population.
(10-31-2023, 11:29 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 09:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]And you think if Trump had done that, it would have been received well, eh?
I agree that one of Trump's major weaknesses, among the many he had, was the ability to communicate ideas in a manner that would gain the favor of the general population.
The media interprets for Biden just fine.
(10-31-2023, 11:29 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 09:01 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]And you think if Trump had done that, it would have been received well, eh?
I agree that one of Trump's major weaknesses, among the many he had, was the ability to communicate ideas in a manner that would gain the favor of the general population.
True, but in this scenario he only needed to persuade 51 senators and 218 representatives.