(11-03-2023, 07:30 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Great to see. He played well for the rams before he was a jag too.
Yea he was opposite Ramsey during their Super Bowl run. Took the spotlight away, but still a big component for them putting it all together.
(11-03-2023, 06:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 05:50 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]1. That's it.
I'm not sure why everyone is so down on Baalke. Maybe his drafting abilities are something to argue. But his overall ability to build a roster seems pretty solid... We have talent at every level.
Hell, Darius Williams was another great free agent signing. And these guys are trying to throw cold water on it?
Free agents aren't how you sustain success, especially when they can't even play well the position you thought you were signing them to play. Baalke is going to screw this up, it's just a matter of time.
Well then god why are the Eagles, 49'ers, Lions, and Bills, all good teams, making free agent trades? I'll tell you why, teams going on a run in the second half of the season fill roles to help themselves get them deeper into the playoffs imho.
(11-04-2023, 01:30 AM)ajagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 06:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Free agents aren't how you sustain success, especially when they can't even play well the position you thought you were signing them to play. Baalke is going to screw this up, it's just a matter of time.
Well then god why are the Eagles, 49'ers, Lions, and Bills, all good teams, making free agent trades? I'll tell you why, teams going on a run in the second half of the season fill roles to help themselves get them deeper into the playoffs imho.
You misunderstand. I'm talking about free agent classes, I support the Cleveland trade, Planet Theory is one of my philosophical planks. We can't sustain long term success if we have to spend free agent money like we did two years ago to replace the core of the team by bringing in 8 more high priced free agents in the offseason.
(11-04-2023, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 01:30 AM)ajagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Well then god why are the Eagles, 49'ers, Lions, and Bills, all good teams, making free agent trades? I'll tell you why, teams going on a run in the second half of the season fill roles to help themselves get them deeper into the playoffs imho.
You misunderstand. I'm talking about free agent classes, I support the Cleveland trade, Planet Theory is one of my philosophical planks. We can't sustain long term success if we have to spend free agent money like we did two years ago to replace the core of the team by bringing in 8 more high priced free agents in the offseason.
I don't think anyone would argue that we can bring in 8 high priced free agents every offseason. But this was a unique situation, and they did a great job of it.
The alternative was to have Trevor Lawrence playing without those 8 high priced free agents, and as we have seen in many a case, a young QB can be permanently ruined by being on a bad team.
(11-04-2023, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 01:30 AM)ajagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Well then god why are the Eagles, 49'ers, Lions, and Bills, all good teams, making free agent trades? I'll tell you why, teams going on a run in the second half of the season fill roles to help themselves get them deeper into the playoffs imho.
You misunderstand. I'm talking about free agent classes, I support the Cleveland trade, Planet Theory is one of my philosophical planks. We can't sustain long term success if we have to spend free agent money like we did two years ago to replace the core of the team by bringing in 8 more high priced free agents in the offseason.
We were the worst team in the league when Baalke took over. Most teams wouldn't of done what Baalke done bringing in all those FA. We aren't going to sign a bunch of FA from other teams again, that was a 1 time thing and thankfully he brought in all those FA because if he didn't we wouldn't of made the playoffs last year and we wouldn't have the team this year. Every one of those FA have been a huge part of our success the last 2 years. It's arguably one of the best FA classes in the history of the NFL. That FA class has made us SB contenders in short order. This year we signed less FA than any team in the league. Now we have a bunch of our own draft picks we will need to resign. It's playing out exactly like they planned it and it has been great so far. Going by what you want this team to do we would of missed the playoffs last year and we would miss the playoffs this year. There are a few picks I don't agree with but nobody bats .1000 and overall the front office have been great these last 3 years, we have the biggest win streak in the league right now after a playoff win last year. and our arrow is pointing up as much as any team in this league while you whine about what they are doing and how they are doing things. Dave Caldwell couldn't lace Baalke's shoes
(11-04-2023, 08:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You misunderstand. I'm talking about free agent classes, I support the Cleveland trade, Planet Theory is one of my philosophical planks. We can't sustain long term success if we have to spend free agent money like we did two years ago to replace the core of the team by bringing in 8 more high priced free agents in the offseason.
I don't think anyone would argue that we can bring in 8 high priced free agents every offseason. But this was a unique situation, and they did a great job of it.
The alternative was to have Trevor Lawrence playing without those 8 high priced free agents, and as we have seen in many a case, a young QB can be permanently ruined by being on a bad team.
That was a 1 time thing because we had the worst record in the league. We were the first team in NFL history to pick 1st overall and win a playoff game. That wouldn't of happened if we didn't go all out in FA. We did and it paid off and all are huge parts to this team and perfect fits. More often than not eople sign high priced FA and it don't work out. They hit the nail on the head and brought in the right guys at the perfect time.
Yes, it was a one time thing, which means Baalke, a terrible drafter in his nearly 15 years of making picks, has to be better. That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE. But Baalke isn't good at the alternative ones because he's a short term thinker. In fact, based on his history, again, we're fortunate at how good that free agent class turned out. The guy historically finds a way to pull the turd out of the gold pile. Hell, he let Doug Pederson walk out of Jacksonville without a contract after they interviewed him. Again, we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. It's irrational to think that he can continue making these mistakes and continue to have successful outcomes; eventually he's going to get bit. I hope he's learned and that Doug can stabalize him, but we also know from his history, that he has a way of getting a franchise to let their successful coach go if there's an internal struggle. When he gets bit who is taking the fall? Teflon Trent? In short I am skeptical of his ability to lead this frachise into the next phase of success. I keep telling you the reasons, and you keep closing your eyes to the issues. I get wanting to enjoy the Era of Good Feelings we have today, I just hope they don't lead to a CIvil War or Great Depression tomorrow.
(11-04-2023, 10:41 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, it was a one time thing, which means Baalke, a terrible drafter in his nearly 15 years of making picks, has to be better. That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE. But Baalke isn't good at the alternative ones because he's a short term thinker. In fact, based on his history, again, we're fortunate at how good that free agent class turned out. The guy historically finds a way to pull the turd out of the gold pile. Hell, he let Doug Pederson walk out of Jacksonville without a contract after they interviewed him. Again, we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. It's irrational to think that he can continue making these mistakes and continue to have successful outcomes; eventually he's going to get bit. I hope he's learned and that Doug can stabalize him, but we also know from his history, that he has a way of getting a franchise to let their successful coach go if there's an internal struggle. When he gets bit who is taking the fall? Teflon Trent? In short I am skeptical of his ability to lead this frachise into the next phase of success. I keep telling you the reasons, and you keep closing your eyes to the issues. I get wanting to enjoy the Era of Good Feelings we have today, I just hope they don't lead to a CIvil War or Great Depression tomorrow.
Baalke, a terrible drafter - I can see how you might think that as when things work out the way expected it doesn't count. He was lucky. Only things that count are the negative ones. No one on this board is better at drafting. They may believe they are but at the end of the day they are not.
That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE - I believe we all agree on this but you keep repeating it.
he's a short term thinker
- He doesn't let us in on what his long term plans are because he doesn't work for us nor does he have to
. I am afraid there is no proof of this.
we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. - Shad Kahn has already said HE wanted Urban Myers forever, he had been trying for years. That was him not Baalkie. That statement is just plain wrong.
Why are you suddenly so anti-Baalkie? You know Kahn's not going to give you his job right?
(11-04-2023, 11:19 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 10:41 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, it was a one time thing, which means Baalke, a terrible drafter in his nearly 15 years of making picks, has to be better. That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE. But Baalke isn't good at the alternative ones because he's a short term thinker. In fact, based on his history, again, we're fortunate at how good that free agent class turned out. The guy historically finds a way to pull the turd out of the gold pile. Hell, he let Doug Pederson walk out of Jacksonville without a contract after they interviewed him. Again, we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. It's irrational to think that he can continue making these mistakes and continue to have successful outcomes; eventually he's going to get bit. I hope he's learned and that Doug can stabalize him, but we also know from his history, that he has a way of getting a franchise to let their successful coach go if there's an internal struggle. When he gets bit who is taking the fall? Teflon Trent? In short I am skeptical of his ability to lead this frachise into the next phase of success. I keep telling you the reasons, and you keep closing your eyes to the issues. I get wanting to enjoy the Era of Good Feelings we have today, I just hope they don't lead to a CIvil War or Great Depression tomorrow.
Baalke, a terrible drafter - I can see how you might think that as when things work out the way expected it doesn't count. He was lucky. Only things that count are the negative ones. No one on this board is better at drafting. They may believe they are but at the end of the day they are not. See the articles below for why.
That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE - I believe we all agree on this but you keep repeating it. Nah, I keep being told everything is fine and the mistakes are immaterial.
he's a short term thinker - He doesn't let us in on what his long term plans are because he doesn't work for us nor does he have to. I am afraid there is no proof of this. Again, see below. When you follow his career it's clear that talent selection and long term strategy aren't his strengths.
we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. - Shad Kahn has already said HE wanted Urban Myers forever, he had been trying for years. That was him not Baalkie. That statement is just plain wrong. Has nothing to do with Urban, has everything to do with Pederson leaving Jax without a deal after he was interviewed. Pederson was the guy but they screwed around with Jim Caldwell and Byron and all that other mess instead of just seeing the right guy there in front of them. Goes to inability to pick talent.
Why are you suddenly so anti-Baalkie? You know Kahn's not going to give you his job right?
I've been anti-Baalke since he got here, we knew he was a snake when we picked him up.
As for proof, here's two nice writeups about his time in San Fran, he's not any different now, he's just gotten some breaks that have helped.
Draft:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/26/1...icks-49ers
Free agency:
https://ninernoise.com/2018/02/17/49ers-...2015-2016/
Those who don't learn from history are usually doomed to repeat it.
(11-04-2023, 11:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 11:19 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke, a terrible drafter - I can see how you might think that as when things work out the way expected it doesn't count. He was lucky. Only things that count are the negative ones. No one on this board is better at drafting. They may believe they are but at the end of the day they are not. See the articles below for why.
That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE - I believe we all agree on this but you keep repeating it. Nah, I keep being told everything is fine and the mistakes are immaterial.
he's a short term thinker - He doesn't let us in on what his long term plans are because he doesn't work for us nor does he have to. I am afraid there is no proof of this. Again, see below. When you follow his career it's clear that talent selection and long term strategy aren't his strengths.
we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. - Shad Kahn has already said HE wanted Urban Myers forever, he had been trying for years. That was him not Baalkie. That statement is just plain wrong. Has nothing to do with Urban, has everything to do with Pederson leaving Jax without a deal after he was interviewed. Pederson was the guy but they screwed around with Jim Caldwell and Byron and all that other mess instead of just seeing the right guy there in front of them. Goes to inability to pick talent.
Why are you suddenly so anti-Baalkie? You know Kahn's not going to give you his job right?
I've been anti-Baalke since he got here, we knew he was a snake when we picked him up.
As for proof, here's two nice writeups about his time in San Fran, he's not any different now, he's just gotten some breaks that have helped.
Draft: https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/26/1...icks-49ers
Free agency: https://ninernoise.com/2018/02/17/49ers-...2015-2016/
Those who don't learn from history are usually doomed to repeat it.
See the articles below for why. Bias articles by talking heads assuming things because they do not have the information. These day bloggers write anything and everything, doesn't make it accurate nor fact. Actually proves nothing. So far 28 draft picks here 20 are on the roster. Free agents 28, 16 are on the roster today. That first year with the Urban influence was tough (Carlos Hyde?) As our roster becomes better it will be more difficult for newbees to stick. The above number actually are most likely higher as I didn't include the practice squad.
second one we agree.
Short term thinker? Well, you are welcome to your opinion. You cannot actually have proof making it fact. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true either.
Conjecture, Kahn was overly cautious after his Urban experience and admittedly took a bunch of extra time. The selection decision was not Baalkies it was Kahns, so Doug leaving without a contract that first time is on him. Your welcome to blame Baalkie if you want but it just is not the way it happened.
(11-04-2023, 10:41 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, it was a one time thing, which means Baalke, a terrible drafter in his nearly 15 years of making picks, has to be better. That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE. But Baalke isn't good at the alternative ones because he's a short term thinker. In fact, based on his history, again, we're fortunate at how good that free agent class turned out. The guy historically finds a way to pull the turd out of the gold pile. Hell, he let Doug Pederson walk out of Jacksonville without a contract after they interviewed him. Again, we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. It's irrational to think that he can continue making these mistakes and continue to have successful outcomes; eventually he's going to get bit. I hope he's learned and that Doug can stabalize him, but we also know from his history, that he has a way of getting a franchise to let their successful coach go if there's an internal struggle. When he gets bit who is taking the fall? Teflon Trent? In short I am skeptical of his ability to lead this frachise into the next phase of success. I keep telling you the reasons, and you keep closing your eyes to the issues. I get wanting to enjoy the Era of Good Feelings we have today, I just hope they don't lead to a CIvil War or Great Depression tomorrow.
I couldnt care less what he did in the past and there were a number of posters here that during the coaching hire it was Byron or bust. Werent you one of the ones that wanted Leftwich? We dodged a bullet there on a guy that hasnt even been about to get a OC job. You have zero clue though what went on behind closed doors and all one can do specualte. Baalke got that one right again, more. This "lucky" [BLEEP] you always say you can do that for any team in the league that does something good. The Chiefs were lucky that Mahomes fell to them, lucky the Eagles fired Reid, I can go on and on for every team. All I care about is what Baalke has done since he has been here and last year we were the first team in NFL history to pick 1st and win a playoff game and right now we have the longest active win streak and have the best record we have had in 24 years. Its comical to whine and cry about the GM when the arrow is pointing up for this team maybe more than ever. You also have zero clue about Trent personaly or how everyone felt about him , other than some articles you read about some butt hurt 49ers fans or a player that said something about him that wasnt very good and got cut by Trent, shocker lol. Trent has helped put this team in the position it's in potentially the best in franchise history.
(11-04-2023, 12:09 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 11:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I've been anti-Baalke since he got here, we knew he was a snake when we picked him up.
As for proof, here's two nice writeups about his time in San Fran, he's not any different now, he's just gotten some breaks that have helped.
Draft: https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/26/1...icks-49ers
Free agency: https://ninernoise.com/2018/02/17/49ers-...2015-2016/
Those who don't learn from history are usually doomed to repeat it.
See the articles below for why. Bias articles by talking heads assuming things because they do not have the information. These day bloggers write anything and everything, doesn't make it accurate nor fact. Actually proves nothing. So far 28 draft picks here 20 are on the roster. Free agents 28, 16 are on the roster today. That first year with the Urban influence was tough (Carlos Hyde?) As our roster becomes better it will be more difficult for newbees to stick. The above number actually are most likely higher as I didn't include the practice squad.
second one we agree.
Short term thinker? Well, you are welcome to your opinion. You cannot actually have proof making it fact. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true either.
Conjecture, Kahn was overly cautious after his Urban experience and admittedly took a bunch of extra time. The selection decision was not Baalkies it was Kahns, so Doug leaving without a contract that first time is on him. Your welcome to blame Baalkie if you want but it just is not the way it happened.
I dont give 2 [BLEEP] about what he did in SF during his first GM job. Some people also actually learn from mistakes and its possibly a good thing for some of his failures he had during his first GM job and a learning experience.
What happened to this thread? It went from a Darious Williams thread to a Baalke circle jerk?
(11-05-2023, 12:04 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to this thread? It went from a Darious Williams thread to a Baalke circle jerk?
Yea, pretty accurate. Just someone working thru their Jag PTSD....
I knew he was making a bunch of plays. I'm amazed he's been this consistent. Mike caldwell knowing which pieces fit where and having an off-season to prepare has been the difference for this defense. They have a plan!
(11-05-2023, 10:47 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]I knew he was making a bunch of plays. I'm amazed he's been this consistent. Mike caldwell knowing which pieces fit where and having an off-season to prepare has been the difference for this defense. They have a plan!
It's really cool to see the evolution of Caldwell's scheme.
He has the back seven playing at a high level. Can't imagine what it looks like if Walker takes the next step and Hamilton gets his interior push back online.
Would be REALLY good.
(11-04-2023, 08:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You misunderstand. I'm talking about free agent classes, I support the Cleveland trade, Planet Theory is one of my philosophical planks. We can't sustain long term success if we have to spend free agent money like we did two years ago to replace the core of the team by bringing in 8 more high priced free agents in the offseason.
I don't think anyone would argue that we can bring in 8 high priced free agents every offseason. But this was a unique situation, and they did a great job of it.
The alternative was to have Trevor Lawrence playing without those 8 high priced free agents, and as we have seen in many a case, a young QB can be permanently ruined by being on a bad team.
Stop talking. You are being way to reasonable. It important to understand that here, we have 1 opinion, and we blindly stick to that opinion no matter what. Even if the reality of a situation changes, we do not care. It's important to be as close minded as possible and to never change one's mind based on changes in circumstance.
(11-04-2023, 11:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 11:19 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke, a terrible drafter - I can see how you might think that as when things work out the way expected it doesn't count. He was lucky. Only things that count are the negative ones. No one on this board is better at drafting. They may believe they are but at the end of the day they are not. See the articles below for why.
That's why I keep saying that the past strategy CANNOT BE A LONG TERM ONE - I believe we all agree on this but you keep repeating it. Nah, I keep being told everything is fine and the mistakes are immaterial.
he's a short term thinker - He doesn't let us in on what his long term plans are because he doesn't work for us nor does he have to. I am afraid there is no proof of this. Again, see below. When you follow his career it's clear that talent selection and long term strategy aren't his strengths.
we were LUCKY to get our best coach ever because the GM almost screwed that up too. - Shad Kahn has already said HE wanted Urban Myers forever, he had been trying for years. That was him not Baalkie. That statement is just plain wrong. Has nothing to do with Urban, has everything to do with Pederson leaving Jax without a deal after he was interviewed. Pederson was the guy but they screwed around with Jim Caldwell and Byron and all that other mess instead of just seeing the right guy there in front of them. Goes to inability to pick talent.
Why are you suddenly so anti-Baalkie? You know Kahn's not going to give you his job right?
I've been anti-Baalke since he got here, we knew he was a snake when we picked him up.
As for proof, here's two nice writeups about his time in San Fran, he's not any different now, he's just gotten some breaks that have helped.
Draft: https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/8/26/1...icks-49ers
Free agency: https://ninernoise.com/2018/02/17/49ers-...2015-2016/
Those who don't learn from history are usually doomed to repeat it.
First, I'll go on record saying that I think Jed York had a LOT of input into his work while in San Fran. All the toxicity and undermining that seemed to be the label everyone put squarely on Baalke's back hasn't seemed to be the character our team has developed under his tenure.
Which brings me to my second point - Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist, but I like to imagine people learn from mistakes, until they prove they don't. I was WAY down on Urbz because he showed multiple times in past jobs that he wasn't going to gut out difficult situations, and guess what - the league wasn't a cake walk and he objectively made us a worse team for his 'efforts'. I have yet to see Baalke burying anyone under the bus, subverting authority, or fostering any discord among the ranks. His selections have been ok, his management of the roster has been fine.
I think a lot of preconceived notions are painting him in an undue light in a lot of these threads. We have endured soooooooooooo much worse than his leadership. I could be wrong. The ship could crumble and he becomes the dastardly villain so many here make him out to be, but I don't see how where we are today gives any of us reason to think he's some disaster waiting to happen.
(11-05-2023, 12:04 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]What happened to this thread? It went from a Darious Williams thread to a Baalke circle jerk?
We must have our scapegoats, even when we are 6-2 and firmly in control of our own postseason destiny.