(11-14-2023, 01:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 12:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t think they are taking the rookie out. They like him a lot and probably don’t want to bench him. Walker will be fine at lg. the 49rs is the best defense line he will probably go against except for maybe the browns, so hopefully he will be ok. No need to panic so fast.
They probably won't but it doesn't mean they shouldn't. Little is a better tackle than Harrison right now and Ezra is our best guard right now. I think Shatley is also a better center than Fortner. Simmons is just as good as any DT on the 9ers and the Browns dline right there with the 9ers.
I agree with all this. Benching Harrison could be cast as giving his shoulder time to heal.
They keep preaching best five lineman out there. It's not working. I am in agreement with some of you on here.
LT - Robinson
LG - Cleveland
C - Shatley
RG - Scherff
RT - Little
To me, that's putting your best five out there.
As far as the playcalling goes; I REALLLYYYYYYY didn't like coming out of the gate with 3 straight passes to go 3 and out. And then on the next drive starting with a run play; it was like everyone and their mother who doesn't watch football knew that first rush attempt/give to Etienne to start the 2nd drive was coming.
I absolutely LOATHE that on 3rd and short (any short yardage really) that Trevor is in shotgun and not under center; I understand with his knee why they wouldn't want to put him in harms way (this ignoring that the rollout at the end of the game vs the colts that got his knee hurt in the first place was incredibly boneheaded) but the shotgun in short yardage issue has been a theme since week 1 well before that bangup to Trevors knee. Like even if we won't sneak it, having him under center for the threat of a sneak/tush push makes the defense have to account for it. On the game winning 4th and short against the Chargers last year .... Trevor is UNDER CENTER!!! it's just mind boggling that he's in shotgun seemingly all the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCPduxCZoTE
Lack of playaction. This goes hand in hand with the above point in that it's hard to have effective run fakes out of shotgun. But we have Etienne having a monster year and demanding defenses respect. We have struggles throwing the ball deep or pass protecting for longer than a second or two. Why not get a run fake/play action to make the opposing backers/safeties bite and then roll out and hit a deep shot?
I would literally take the 2007 Jags playbook and just run that with the current squad. I think there's a lot of similarities in terms of the overall talent of the unit and what the strengths of the team are and if they adopted a similar identity to the 2007 squad we'd see the offense finally click and get it in gear.
(11-14-2023, 01:04 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]We're going to be fine folks. Two weeks from now, when this team is up 8 - 3 and they've smoked the tacks and tinhorns. We're going to look back at this beat down by the 49ers and thank them for it. Because the team needed it. Just like they needed that thumping in Detroit last year.
Good times ahead down the half way stretch. Keep the faith. Have the faith. Will it into existence. It's just a little speed bump by one of the NFC's biggest, baddest bullies on the block. We're not on that level yet, but, we're moving along towards that.
A week ago you were calling for us to win by multiple scores.
Dear goodness I hope you aren't cursing us again!
(11-15-2023, 09:14 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 01:04 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]We're going to be fine folks. Two weeks from now, when this team is up 8 - 3 and they've smoked the tacks and tinhorns. We're going to look back at this beat down by the 49ers and thank them for it. Because the team needed it. Just like they needed that thumping in Detroit last year.
Good times ahead down the half way stretch. Keep the faith. Have the faith. Will it into existence. It's just a little speed bump by one of the NFC's biggest, baddest bullies on the block. We're not on that level yet, but, we're moving along towards that.
A week ago you were calling for us to win by multiple scores.
Dear goodness I hope you aren't cursing us again!
You're right. This team is going to let us down like it always does.
(11-14-2023, 09:03 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]As far as the playcalling goes; I REALLLYYYYYYY didn't like coming out of the gate with 3 straight passes to go 3 and out. And then on the next drive starting with a run play; it was like everyone and their mother who doesn't watch football knew that first rush attempt/give to Etienne to start the 2nd drive was coming.
I absolutely LOATHE that on 3rd and short (any short yardage really) that Trevor is in shotgun and not under center; I understand with his knee why they wouldn't want to put him in harms way (this ignoring that the rollout at the end of the game vs the colts that got his knee hurt in the first place was incredibly boneheaded) but the shotgun in short yardage issue has been a theme since week 1 well before that bangup to Trevors knee. Like even if we won't sneak it, having him under center for the threat of a sneak/tush push makes the defense have to account for it. On the game winning 4th and short against the Chargers last year .... Trevor is UNDER CENTER!!! it's just mind boggling that he's in shotgun seemingly all the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCPduxCZoTE
Lack of playaction. This goes hand in hand with the above point in that it's hard to have effective run fakes out of shotgun. But we have Etienne having a monster year and demanding defenses respect. We have struggles throwing the ball deep or pass protecting for longer than a second or two. Why not get a run fake/play action to make the opposing backers/safeties bite and then roll out and hit a deep shot?
I would literally take the 2007 Jags playbook and just run that with the current squad. I think there's a lot of similarities in terms of the overall talent of the unit and what the strengths of the team are and if they adopted a similar identity to the 2007 squad we'd see the offense finally click and get it in gear.
Everything you've said here just can't function with this line. The bolded in particular is just wrong. The 2007 squad had Khalif Barnes, Vince Manuwai, Meester, Naeole, and Mo Williams. That's an All Pro line compared to what we have here and the absolute domination of the middle 3 of that group is why the '07 team could do pretty much every thing they did with a rather mundane group of skill players outside of Fred and MJD. They also had Tony Pashos who was as good as our current tackles and Richard Collier who might've actually been a good Jar if not for that horrific gunshot injury. The 2007 team was the antitheses of our current roster aside from RB quality and that team had 2 greats while we currently have one really good (so far).
(11-15-2023, 09:38 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-14-2023, 09:03 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]As far as the playcalling goes; I REALLLYYYYYYY didn't like coming out of the gate with 3 straight passes to go 3 and out. And then on the next drive starting with a run play; it was like everyone and their mother who doesn't watch football knew that first rush attempt/give to Etienne to start the 2nd drive was coming.
I absolutely LOATHE that on 3rd and short (any short yardage really) that Trevor is in shotgun and not under center; I understand with his knee why they wouldn't want to put him in harms way (this ignoring that the rollout at the end of the game vs the colts that got his knee hurt in the first place was incredibly boneheaded) but the shotgun in short yardage issue has been a theme since week 1 well before that bangup to Trevors knee. Like even if we won't sneak it, having him under center for the threat of a sneak/tush push makes the defense have to account for it. On the game winning 4th and short against the Chargers last year .... Trevor is UNDER CENTER!!! it's just mind boggling that he's in shotgun seemingly all the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCPduxCZoTE
Lack of playaction. This goes hand in hand with the above point in that it's hard to have effective run fakes out of shotgun. But we have Etienne having a monster year and demanding defenses respect. We have struggles throwing the ball deep or pass protecting for longer than a second or two. Why not get a run fake/play action to make the opposing backers/safeties bite and then roll out and hit a deep shot?
I would literally take the 2007 Jags playbook and just run that with the current squad. I think there's a lot of similarities in terms of the overall talent of the unit and what the strengths of the team are and if they adopted a similar identity to the 2007 squad we'd see the offense finally click and get it in gear.
Everything you've said here just can't function with this line. The bolded in particular is just wrong. The 2007 squad had Khalif Barnes, Vince Manuwai, Meester, Naeole, and Mo Williams. That's an All Pro line compared to what we have here and the absolute domination of the middle 3 of that group is why the '07 team could do pretty much every thing they did with a rather mundane group of skill players outside of Fred and MJD. They also had Tony Pashos who was as good as our current tackles and Richard Collier who might've actually been a good Jar if not for that horrific gunshot injury. The 2007 team was the antitheses of our current roster aside from RB quality and that team had 2 greats while we currently have one really good (so far).
In other words, this group today is collectively soft compared to that group of big uglies from 2007. I saw Collier once in person when I was a kid working at Subway. Before the whole gunshot injury. He was a tower and was three average men wide in size. Not out of shape neither.
He looked like a damn Marvel Superhero. Built like Thanos. I know today's game has changed where it's more pass centric and clearly Doug is pass centric with his approach to the game. But, it really kills me inside that this team can't [BLEEP] line-up on 3rd and short and just get it done on the ground.
Pathetic. If the strength and conditioning coach is not pushing these [BLEEP] to hit all-time personal bests in the weight room he needs to go. They need to be powerlifting at this point. They can't move anybody more than half time at the line of scrimmage.
I know it sucks because it's "tipping our hand" so to speak. But, if you have to go 5 lineman, with a 6th lineman as a FB on 3rd and inches or 4th and inches with a pair of TE's to seal the edges so the tackles can push inside with the interior so be it.
Shotgun is not working in every single scenario.
(11-14-2023, 04:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They keep preaching best five lineman out there. It's not working. I am in agreement with some of you on here.
LT - Robinson
LG - Cleveland
C - Shatley
RG - Scherff
RT - Little
To me, that's putting your best five out there.
Give Little a break here, he's a LT who is what, 1.5 games into playing guard? He just went up against the best line he likely ever plays against. I think short term Cleveland isn't the guy, but maybe late this season or next season Cleveland is the starting LG and Little is at LT. We need a new C, and badly. Draft nothing but big uglies until you've hit on all 3 interior OL. Scherff is out after 24 and Fortner doesn't have the strength to be a quality NFL starter.
If you dig through all these threads you'll find fans complaining about almost every aspect of the offense in ways that contradict each other. As fans we are collectively scrambling for fixes that we don't really "know" will fix anything or not. And everyone is apparently smarter than Press and Doug right now.
We all want to see better production but play calling and play design will only do so much when the guys up front are getting beat so badly.
I'm sure there are some worthy adjustments to be made, but the amount of help that provides may be very limited vs the better defenses, IMO.
(11-15-2023, 11:06 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you dig through all these threads you'll find fans complaining about almost every aspect of the offense in ways that contradict each other. As fans we are collectively scrambling for fixes that we don't really "know" will fix anything or not. And everyone is apparently smarter than Press and Doug right now.
We all want to see better production but play calling and play design will only do so much when the guys up front are getting beat so badly.
I'm sure there are some worthy adjustments to be made, but the amount of help that provides may be very limited vs the better defenses, IMO.
I'm not smarter than Doug and Press, but I'm light years more intelligent than Baalke. Hell, most you all are too. My dog probably is, mammals are pretty much all more intelligent than snakes.
Our problem is weak personnel, coaching and scheming only help so much against that problem and we might've already seen all they can do this season. Which, in fairness, if this team finishes up with 11 wins it will still be a successful season. We aren't elite yet, but can be if we can solve this last personnel problem.