Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.
(04-16-2024, 07:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.
We just signed Morese, extended, Eazra, and signed Davis. Last year the first 3 draft picks were on offense. There will be good value picks on offense in the 3rd or 4th and even later rounds. If offense is at the top of our board we will take them. You want to draft WR's in the first every year. Last year you wanted to draft Quetin Johnston in the first who was probably the worst rookie WR. The year before you wanted Jameson Williams who has been horrendous as well. You can find good WRs outside of the first round if thats the route the team wasnts to go and this year is one of the deepest WRs classes in memory. You go defense and make this an elite defense and give Trevor more opportunities
Not sure taking a WR in the first in one of the deepest WR classes is the right thing to do. Ive wanted Rome since last year and would love to add him but it would likely take to much to get him at this point. Im still high on Brian Thomas as well but it depends on what type of offense Doug wants to run this year. Davis's yards per route is more than any WR in the league so do we want the best vertical threat in the draft on the oppostie side and just try to have the best big play offense in the league? Drafting Thomas will depend on what type of offense we want to run and he might not even be there at 17.
(04-16-2024, 05:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kipers 2 round mock. Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades
1.Chicago Bears (via CAR) - Caleb Williams, QB, USC
2.Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU
3.New England Patriots - Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina
4.Arizona Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State
5.Minnesota Vikings (via LAC)- JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan
6.New York Giants - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
7.Tennessee Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame
8.Atlanta Falcons - Dallas Turner, OLB, Alabama
9.Chicago Bears - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington
10.New York Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georigia
11.Los Angeles Chargers - JC Latham, OT, Alabama
12.Denver Broncos - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo
13.Las Vegas Raiders - Tailese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State
14.New Orleans Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State
15.Indianapolis Colts - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama
16.Seattle Seahawks - Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa
18.Cincinnati Bengals - Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas
19.Los Angeles Rams - Laiatu Latu, OLB, UCLA
20.Pittsburgh Steelers - Graham Barton, G/C, Duke
21.Miami Dolphins - Jared Verse, DE, Florida State
22.Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson
23.Los Angeles Chargers (via MIN through HOU and CLE) - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas
24.Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma
25.Green Bay Packers - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia
26.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chop Robinson, OLB, Penn State
27.Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) - Darius Robinson, OLB, Missouri
28.Buffalo Bills - Brian Thomas, WR, LSU
29.Detroit Lions - AD Mitchell, WR, Yexas
30.Baltimore Ravens - Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama
31.San Francisco 49ers- Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington
32.Kansas City Chiefs- Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina
33.New York Giants (via CAR) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
34.New England Patriots - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State
35.Arizona Cardinals - TJ Tampa, CB, Iowa State
36.Washington Commanders- Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona
37.Los Angeles Rams (via LAC) - Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington
38.Tennessee Titans - Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida
39.Carolina Panthers (via NYG) - Ladd McConkey WR, Georgia
40.Washington Commanders (via CHI) - Max Melton, CB, Rutgers
41.Green Bay Packers (via NYJ) - Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M
42.Houston Texans (via MIN) - Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois
43.Atlanta Falcons - Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia
44.Las Vegas Raiders - Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri
45.New Orleans Saints (via DEN) - Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky
46.Indianapolis Colts - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon
47.Carolina Panthers (via NYG and SEA) - Jackson Powers-Johnson, C/G, Oregon
48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan
49.Cincinnati Bengals - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
50.Philadelphia Eagles - Patrick Paul, OT, Houston
51.Pittsburgh Steelers - Jalen McMillan, WR, Washington
52.Los Angeles Chargers (via LAR) - Ruke Orhorhoro, DT, Clemson
53.Philadelphia Eagles - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington
54.Cleveland Browns - Braden Fiske, DT, Florida State
55.Miami Dolphins - Christian Haynes, G, UConn
56.Dallas Cowboys- Jonathon Brooks, RB, Texas
57.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Zach Frazier, C/G, West Virginia
58.Green Bay Packers - Javon Bullard, S, Georgia
59.Houston Texans - Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan
60.Buffalo Bills - Cole Bishop, S, Utah
61.Detroit Lions - Adisa Isaac, DE, Penn State
62.Baltimore Ravens - Cooper Beebe, G, Kansas State
63.San Francisco 49ers- Dru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
64.Kansas City Chiefs- Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU
Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.
(04-16-2024, 08:08 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2024, 05:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kipers 2 round mock. Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades
1.Chicago Bears (via CAR) - Caleb Williams, QB, USC
2.Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU
3.New England Patriots - Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina
4.Arizona Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State
5.Minnesota Vikings (via LAC)- JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan
6.New York Giants - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
7.Tennessee Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame
8.Atlanta Falcons - Dallas Turner, OLB, Alabama
9.Chicago Bears - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington
10.New York Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georigia
11.Los Angeles Chargers - JC Latham, OT, Alabama
12.Denver Broncos - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo
13.Las Vegas Raiders - Tailese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State
14.New Orleans Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State
15.Indianapolis Colts - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama
16.Seattle Seahawks - Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa
18.Cincinnati Bengals - Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas
19.Los Angeles Rams - Laiatu Latu, OLB, UCLA
20.Pittsburgh Steelers - Graham Barton, G/C, Duke
21.Miami Dolphins - Jared Verse, DE, Florida State
22.Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson
23.Los Angeles Chargers (via MIN through HOU and CLE) - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas
24.Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma
25.Green Bay Packers - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia
26.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chop Robinson, OLB, Penn State
27.Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) - Darius Robinson, OLB, Missouri
28.Buffalo Bills - Brian Thomas, WR, LSU
29.Detroit Lions - AD Mitchell, WR, Yexas
30.Baltimore Ravens - Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama
31.San Francisco 49ers- Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington
32.Kansas City Chiefs- Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina
33.New York Giants (via CAR) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
34.New England Patriots - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State
35.Arizona Cardinals - TJ Tampa, CB, Iowa State
36.Washington Commanders- Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona
37.Los Angeles Rams (via LAC) - Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington
38.Tennessee Titans - Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida
39.Carolina Panthers (via NYG) - Ladd McConkey WR, Georgia
40.Washington Commanders (via CHI) - Max Melton, CB, Rutgers
41.Green Bay Packers (via NYJ) - Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M
42.Houston Texans (via MIN) - Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois
43.Atlanta Falcons - Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia
44.Las Vegas Raiders - Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri
45.New Orleans Saints (via DEN) - Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky
46.Indianapolis Colts - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon
47.Carolina Panthers (via NYG and SEA) - Jackson Powers-Johnson, C/G, Oregon
48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan
49.Cincinnati Bengals - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
50.Philadelphia Eagles - Patrick Paul, OT, Houston
51.Pittsburgh Steelers - Jalen McMillan, WR, Washington
52.Los Angeles Chargers (via LAR) - Ruke Orhorhoro, DT, Clemson
53.Philadelphia Eagles - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington
54.Cleveland Browns - Braden Fiske, DT, Florida State
55.Miami Dolphins - Christian Haynes, G, UConn
56.Dallas Cowboys- Jonathon Brooks, RB, Texas
57.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Zach Frazier, C/G, West Virginia
58.Green Bay Packers - Javon Bullard, S, Georgia
59.Houston Texans - Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan
60.Buffalo Bills - Cole Bishop, S, Utah
61.Detroit Lions - Adisa Isaac, DE, Penn State
62.Baltimore Ravens - Cooper Beebe, G, Kansas State
63.San Francisco 49ers- Dru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
64.Kansas City Chiefs- Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU
Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.
Rakestraw? Hes a slower corner. If this is acurate im not a fan.
Football Insights ? on X: "2024 Cornerback Class in Man vs Zone https://t.co/j8g8egzKqe" / X (twitter.com)
Kyree Jackson is a corner id love to add. 6'4" corner
(04-16-2024, 09:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2024, 08:08 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.
Rakestraw? Hes a slower corner. If this is acurate im not a fan.
Football Insights ? on X: "2024 Cornerback Class in Man vs Zone https://t.co/j8g8egzKqe" / X (twitter.com)
Kyree Jackson is a corner id love to add. 6'4" corner
He would be appealing to Baalke due to his press coverage skills. It wouldn't totally shock me if the Jaguars take him or McKinstry in round 1.
McKinstry was starting at Alabama as a freshman
(04-16-2024, 10:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2024, 10:18 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]He would be appealing to Baalke due to his press coverage skills. It wouldn't totally shock me if the Jaguars take him or McKinstry in round 1.
Id rather McKinstry than Arnold. For some reason McKinstry is one of the more underrated players in this draft imo
https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...6084804073
Nice graph. A lot of players pretty close. Guess it depends on what the upside is of these guys with coaching. Also, the level of player they were covering.....if the receiver level was 10% less than someone close and the difference is less than 10% are they equal?
I just get more and more of a feeling the Jags will be trading back, or least trying really hard to do so.
Problem is I could see a few teams in the teens doing that, so the return may not be that great.
Also hearing more and more draftniks and talking heads saying that day 3 picks will be harder than usual to find starters and immediate production guys across the board.
(04-16-2024, 05:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kipers 2 round mock. Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades
17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa
48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan
I go Murphy or Barton in the first, then either Beebe/Haynes or Jenkins/Ruke in the second.
Honestly first preference is to trade back at 17 regardless, gimme some more ammo
(04-16-2024, 06:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2024, 06:30 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote: [ -> ]I like it but then I remember Trevor averaged the 2nd least amount of time to throw in the NFL and Travis Etienne averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Would be a complete failure to not address OL with a high end pick if not both.
The biggest reason for this was we had the worst starting center in the league and arguably the worst LG. With a heathy Ezra and a top half of the league center it should be like night and day as long as Cleveland gets back to his play before the injury.
Our C and RG are both in their tenth seasons. We are a hair's breadth away from a repeat of last year's turnstile line.
Putting a lot of hope in father time forgetting how everything works.
(04-16-2024, 07:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.
On the plus side, lots of threes and out will give the D time to rack up stats
(04-17-2024, 08:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2024, 05:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kipers 2 round mock. Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades
17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa
48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan
I go Murphy or Barton in the first, then either Beebe/Haynes or Jenkins/Ruke in the second.
Honestly first preference is to trade back at 17 regardless, gimme some more ammo
(04-16-2024, 06:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest reason for this was we had the worst starting center in the league and arguably the worst LG. With a heathy Ezra and a top half of the league center it should be like night and day as long as Cleveland gets back to his play before the injury.
Our C and RG are both in their tenth seasons. We are a hair's breadth away from a repeat of last year's turnstile line.
Putting a lot of hope in father time forgetting how everything works.
(04-16-2024, 07:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.
On the plus side, lots of threes and out will give the D time to rack up stats
I agree as far as depth. But I'm saying if our oline is healthy it should be an average oline at the very least. The chances are low though that our whole interior oline stays healthy. Scherff is good in pass pro he just isn't a very good run blocker anymore. I'd be happy with Fuaga in the first and Beebe in the 2nd honestly. Our oline could be one of the best in the league with great depth. I don't think that happens but if the right tackle falls I think OT is still on the table. If Fuaga is there and Mitchell and Bowers are gone I could see that being the pick
(04-16-2024, 06:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2024, 06:30 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote: [ -> ]I like it but then I remember Trevor averaged the 2nd least amount of time to throw in the NFL and Travis Etienne averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Would be a complete failure to not address OL with a high end pick if not both.
The biggest reason for this was we had the worst starting center in the league and arguably the worst LG. With a heathy Ezra and a top half of the league center it should be like night and day as long as Cleveland gets back to his play before the injury.
I hope so man. I would still love a high end pick, even if he doesn't start day 1. Protecting Trevor and having a run game too important to not invest heavily
Air Force Safety Trey Taylor is who I want in the 6th. Low risk High reward pick
Check this out starting at 8:00. BB giving the scoop on top 30 visits etc. Just because we dont bring a guy in doesnt mean we arent interested. Ill be watching them on draft day. Check out what BB says on WRs drafted in the first round as well at 19:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbCAtFyO1g
(04-17-2024, 09:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Check this out starting at 8:00. BB giving the scoop on top 30 visits etc. Just because we dont bring a guy in doesnt mean we arent interested. Ill be watching them on draft day. Check out what BB says on WRs drafted in the first round as well at 19:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbCAtFyO1g
Because he was such a great drafter...
(04-18-2024, 05:59 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2024, 09:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Check this out starting at 8:00. BB giving the scoop on top 30 visits etc. Just because we dont bring a guy in doesnt mean we arent interested. Ill be watching them on draft day. Check out what BB says on WRs drafted in the first round as well at 19:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbCAtFyO1g
Because he was such a great drafter...
He was in the league almost 50 years. He can look back and knows what works and what doesn't. He knows how teams operate pre draft. You would be an idiot to think he doesn't know what he's talking about. When you are picking at the bottom of the draft for 20+ years it's a little different. He also drafted the GOAT and built 6 SB winning rosters. I'd say he did well enough at the bottom of those drafts.
(04-18-2024, 07:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2024, 05:59 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Because he was such a great drafter...
He was in the league almost 50 years. He can look back and knows what works and what doesn't. He knows how teams operate pre draft. You would be an idiot to think he doesn't know what he's talking about. When you are picking at the bottom of the draft for 20+ years it's a little different. He also drafted the GOAT and built 6 SB winning rosters. I'd say he did well enough at the bottom of those drafts.
using a lot of present tense here when the preterite is more appropriate.
Go back and look at that '99 darft, it was a stinker. He got so very lucky that Brady was a whole lot more than anyone expected.
I'll grant that he is a fabulous student of the game and strategist, but rarely was he winning in the darft. Having QB set in stone saved them a lot of desperation and gave them leverage to take advantage of less disciplined teams on darft day, where they amassed volumes of picks.
Compared to a guy like Ozzie Newsome, Belichick wasn't anything special when it came to evaluating talent.
(04-18-2024, 07:57 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-18-2024, 07:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He was in the league almost 50 years. He can look back and knows what works and what doesn't. He knows how teams operate pre draft. You would be an idiot to think he doesn't know what he's talking about. When you are picking at the bottom of the draft for 20+ years it's a little different. He also drafted the GOAT and built 6 SB winning rosters. I'd say he did well enough at the bottom of those drafts.
using a lot of present tense here when the preterite is more appropriate.
Go back and look at that '99 darft, it was a stinker. He got so very lucky that Brady was a whole lot more than anyone expected.
I'll grant that he is a fabulous student of the game and strategist, but rarely was he winning in the darft. Having QB set in stone saved them a lot of desperation and gave them leverage to take advantage of less disciplined teams on darft day, where they amassed volumes of picks.
Compared to a guy like Ozzie Newsome, Belichick wasn't anything special when it came to evaluating talent.
Who drafted Brady? Those SB teams had a ton of talent with Brady as well. BB has 4 more rings than Newsome and he was also the coach on top of filling the GM roll. Like I said, BB was always picking at the back of every round so it makes it much harder and that much more impressive what he has done in his career. Regardless how you feel about how good of a drafter he was he knows how teams operate pre draft, that's the point. He was stating facts about WRs drafted in the first, he wasn't talking about his drafts he was talking about the whole league. Lots of insight from him in how teams think pre draft. He wasn't just talking about how he operates he was talking around the league, if you watched the video you would understand that.