(12-04-2023, 08:25 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2023, 04:10 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Remove the tush push and enable the tush throw
Someone like kyler Murray would be a beast at the tush throw, get one of your lineman to pick your qb up, with ball in hand and fling him over the defensive line
Game changer
Sounds like a potential new Olympic event. Sort of like...can I say this?....midget throwing, aka dwarf tossing, back in the day. Really...it was a real thing back in the 80's. And BTW, this is not a commentary on the stature of Kyler.
https://youtu.be/EfhI0bjddK0?feature=shared
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I think they need to ban any type of forward push from offensive players. This isn't rugby.
(12-06-2023, 10:28 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I think they need to ban any type of forward push from offensive players. This isn't rugby.
I'm fine with it so long as there is no jersey grab. At that point, call it as a hold.
We see it a bunch on a tough run, two or three defenders slowing progress, not making a tackle, and here comes a guard like a wrecking ball and blasts the pile forward another yard or two before the player hits the dirt. How is that bad?
The D is equally capable of stacking guys and pushing each other for a momentum advantage.
To ban this, you may as well ban qb sneak. Most of the time there isn’t even real pushing. Hurts is a freak, and he is the reason this play works.
(12-06-2023, 11:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2023, 10:28 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I think they need to ban any type of forward push from offensive players. This isn't rugby.
I'm fine with it so long as there is no jersey grab. At that point, call it as a hold.
We see it a bunch on a tough run, two or three defenders slowing progress, not making a tackle, and here comes a guard like a wrecking ball and blasts the pile forward another yard or two before the player hits the dirt. How is that bad?
The D is equally capable of stacking guys and pushing each other for a momentum advantage.
I think that group “tug of war” is a unique sports play and fun to watch. It doesn’t happen that often really either.
Going to have to ban Trevor's wall jump then
Them long arms come in handy
(12-06-2023, 05:34 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Going to have to ban Trevor's wall jump then
Them long arms come in handy
he is like a giraffe reaching over the fence
I don’t have a problem with it. You don’t ban it because one team is good at it…which exactly what is happening (should they do it).
(12-06-2023, 05:34 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Going to have to ban Trevor's wall jump then
Them long arms come in handy
I just wish he would do it with his left arm.
(12-06-2023, 11:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2023, 10:28 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I think they need to ban any type of forward push from offensive players. This isn't rugby.
I'm fine with it so long as there is no jersey grab. At that point, call it as a hold.
We see it a bunch on a tough run, two or three defenders slowing progress, not making a tackle, and here comes a guard like a wrecking ball and blasts the pile forward another yard or two before the player hits the dirt. How is that bad?
The D is equally capable of stacking guys and pushing each other for a momentum advantage.
Because when defenders push the runner back, it's called forward progress and the ball is marked down where the runner started to get pushed back. When the offensive lineman pushes the runner forward, the runner gets the benefit of the extra yards and is not marked down where the offensive lineman started the push. They should just blow the ball down where the offensive player makes the push then I'm ok with them pushing all they want if it makes them happy.
(12-06-2023, 07:51 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2023, 05:34 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Going to have to ban Trevor's wall jump then
Them long arms come in handy
I just wish he would do it with his left arm.
Yea i know
All it takes is for something to go wrong and wham
(12-06-2023, 07:58 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2023, 11:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fine with it so long as there is no jersey grab. At that point, call it as a hold.
We see it a bunch on a tough run, two or three defenders slowing progress, not making a tackle, and here comes a guard like a wrecking ball and blasts the pile forward another yard or two before the player hits the dirt. How is that bad?
The D is equally capable of stacking guys and pushing each other for a momentum advantage.
Because when defenders push the runner back, it's called forward progress and the ball is marked down where the runner started to get pushed back. When the offensive lineman pushes the runner forward, the runner gets the benefit of the extra yards and is not marked down where the offensive lineman started the push. They should just blow the ball down where the offensive player makes the push then I'm ok with them pushing all they want if it makes them happy.
"He kept his legs moving" is the dumbest thing ever.
(12-06-2023, 07:58 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2023, 11:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fine with it so long as there is no jersey grab. At that point, call it as a hold.
We see it a bunch on a tough run, two or three defenders slowing progress, not making a tackle, and here comes a guard like a wrecking ball and blasts the pile forward another yard or two before the player hits the dirt. How is that bad?
The D is equally capable of stacking guys and pushing each other for a momentum advantage.
Because when defenders push the runner back, it's called forward progress and the ball is marked down where the runner started to get pushed back. When the offensive lineman pushes the runner forward, the runner gets the benefit of the extra yards and is not marked down where the offensive lineman started the push. They should just blow the ball down where the offensive player makes the push then I'm ok with them pushing all they want if it makes them happy.
Yes, flag football is so very exciting.
When defenders push the runner back, they give the runner the opportunity to disengage or regain forward progress. If progress is halted, they whistle the scrimmage dead.
Until that forward progress is halted, the play remains alive. So are you suggesting that if a defender engages ball carrier, no other defender can assist with hampering forward progress too? If an RB is still chugging against one or more defenders, I see no reason why a guard cannot jump in to push the pile forward. The defense can make the choice to either swarm the defender (hopefully to stop forward progress) or to engage the lineman to avoid crashing the pile.
I don't want to fully convert to basketball on grass.
The fact is that in order for them to do the tush push, they are on 1st and goal a few inches [or 1-2 yards] out from the goal
Your defence has already allowed them to get into that situation , the blame gets put back on the defence
They allow the offense to push the ball carrier forward AND give the ball carrier the benefit of those yards. Why would they not give the defense the same opportunity? Mark the ball where they runner is pushed back to? As it is now the rules are a one way street in favor of the offense. (imagine that)
(12-11-2023, 10:17 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]They allow the offense to push the ball carrier forward AND give the ball carrier the benefit of those yards. Why would they not give the defense the same opportunity? Mark the ball where they runner is pushed back to? As it is now the rules are a one way street in favor of the offense. (imagine that)
This. If youre going to allow the play to continue, then mark it wherever it finishes.
So...eh... anyone got any good recs on tush push web sites before they shut it down and all?
Tush push....sounds like the title of an 80's porno film.