It is early in the process and free agency doesn't start for 7 weeks or so, but thought we could speculate a bit on whether or not Nielsen needs different personnel to run his intended scheme in Jax. Specifically in the secondary.
(I think we know he's gonna want some beef on the IDL and some edge depth/rotation as most any DC would - and we have linebackers available to compete in camp for base 4-3 spots)
That said - current roster:
Campbell: Really good zone cover guy who has shown some struggles in man. He may still be coachable there yet to some degree, but if there is one guy in the secondary I'm worried about playing 50% of his snaps in press man - it is Campbell. Change may be desired. Or they may try to develop him into the role.
Williams: Sort of the same dynamic as Campbell but to a lesser degree. Williams' tape in man coverage is better to me than Campbell's. I think if they are changing things this offseason - they may not make him a priority to move away from just yet - if at all.
Nickel: We've needed an upgrade here forever and I imagine fresh blood will compete with the recent late rounders to see who rises.
SS: Another great opportunity to upgrade a position IMO. The better OCs will get this defender isolated from time to time vs a TE or speedy RB and it can get ugly. Both in coverage and open field tackling. Honestly - I don't know what Nielsen wants trait wise here, and I won't speculate, but he will need to be able to man up in coverage.
FS: I think Cisco has enough upside to be a frontrunner here and chances are good Nielsen and a new DB coach can get him dialed in to the new scheme. I'd be surprised if any capital were spent on a prospect to compete meaningfully for the start there.
Bottom line:
I think we are likely to see at least two DBs added using some valuable capital via FA and/or draft.
I don't think this means Campbell is automatically out - it could go a number of ways - but I think he may be the least adaptable to the scheme out of the three assumed starters for next year.
Had this thought the other day. You think Campbell could play safety? I agree if they switch to a lot of man coverage he may not be ideal. But he is a young talented player. I would hope the new DC would fit the scheme to the players and not the other way round.
No mention of Antonio Johnson is criminal. The kid has upside for NB or S
but ya know I almost feel like getting a Saftey is more important than CB right now, we’ve desperately needed a competent saftey for years now.
T. Gip and B. Church was our last good combo
I'm hoping they finally move on from Andrew Wingard. We have other "ST's ace type players" such as Daniel Thomas and ST's gems are a dime a dozen; there's an out in his contract for 2 mil of dead cap as opposed to having a backup safety with an average cap hit of $3.5 mil the next 2 seasons.
The biggest bone I have to pick with him is from this clip after we beat the Steelers:
https://www.tiktok.com/@cbssports/video/...2533749034
"I don't need no complaining about oh do this, do that, we're SIX AND TWO ... JAGS!" like forget the whole terrible towel debacle he had around that time. The biggest gripe about the defense this year was about how we didn't adapt, didn't recognize the flaws and glaring issues we had across the board. This man is a CAPTAIN!!!!! And is basically saying that we don't need to change things because we're winning.... the way things collapsed down the stretch its obvious this mindset was pervasive in the locker room. This clip is exactly the opposite of the type of leadership I want for the Jags; we should ALWAYS be trying to improve, try new things, and clean up our general level of play.
unless they're making the minimum or are on a rookie deal, I'm not usually a fan of retaining bubble guys or backups who have survived multiple coaching staffs (he's seen Doug Marrone, Urban Meyer, and now Doug Pederson) this may be extreme, but I like sending the message that you need to be working hard at all times because we will turn over every stone to acquire the best players for the organization. Cutting a pricy backup that's been around longer than most of the team sends a message that you shouldn't get too comfortable or complacent.
(01-23-2024, 01:35 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]No mention of Antonio Johnson is criminal. The kid has upside for NB or S
but ya know I almost feel like getting a Saftey is more important than CB right now, we’ve desperately needed a competent saftey for years now.
T. Gip and B. Church was our last good combo
Right! Since we drafted him I kept hearing how he can play NB and he made a few splash plays in limited field action last year. I think he's already either our NB or SS next year.
Jaylon Johnson and Kenny Moore are pending FA who I could see them going after, especially if they cut D Will to save $10m
Jordan Whitehead and Kyle Dugger are also FA we could potentially bring in at SS if they want to go that route.
I still want OL in the first round so assuming we don't go DB I'd love to see something like:
CB1: Jaylon Johnson/Campbell
CB2: Campbell/D Will
NB: Antonio Johnson/Moore/Draft Pick
SS: Whitehead/Antonio Johnson/Draft Pick
FS: Cisco
That's not depth chart that's potential starters depending on who is signed/cut/drafted
Whilst I agree Campbell has struggled massively in man. It would be interesting to see how he’d do if he matched up against a wr2 as opposed to the number one guys, if they do cut Williams and sign a cb1 it be interesting to see how he’d look then
Zone means your horses ain’t good enough. Man means they are. Campbell is a horse in zone.
(01-23-2024, 01:35 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]No mention of Antonio Johnson is criminal. The kid has upside for NB or S
but ya know I almost feel like getting a Saftey is more important than CB right now, we’ve desperately needed a competent saftey for years now.
T. Gip and B. Church was our last good combo
I think A Johnson is probably the SS but will prolly have competition if Nielsen has certain traits he wants to see there AJ doesn't possess. Since I don't know a ton about Nielsen's safety preferences yet other than letting them man up and lots of single high, I didn't bother with this detail.
I got a feeling they are going to seek a man cover specialist to play nickel, but they might totally see AJ as a fit there for all I know.
(01-23-2024, 10:47 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It is early in the process and free agency doesn't start for 7 weeks or so, but thought we could speculate a bit on whether or not Nielsen needs different personnel to run his intended scheme in Jax. Specifically in the secondary.
(I think we know he's gonna want some beef on the IDL and some edge depth/rotation as most any DC would - and we have linebackers available to compete in camp for base 4-3 spots)
That said - current roster:
Campbell: Really good zone cover guy who has shown some struggles in man. He may still be coachable there yet to some degree, but if there is one guy in the secondary I'm worried about playing 50% of his snaps in press man - it is Campbell. Change may be desired. Or they may try to develop him into the role.
Williams: Sort of the same dynamic as Campbell but to a lesser degree. Williams' tape in man coverage is better to me than Campbell's. I think if they are changing things this offseason - they may not make him a priority to move away from just yet - if at all.
Nickel: We've needed an upgrade here forever and I imagine fresh blood will compete with the recent late rounders to see who rises.
SS: Another great opportunity to upgrade a position IMO. The better OCs will get this defender isolated from time to time vs a TE or speedy RB and it can get ugly. Both in coverage and open field tackling. Honestly - I don't know what Nielsen wants trait wise here, and I won't speculate, but he will need to be able to man up in coverage.
FS: I think Cisco has enough upside to be a frontrunner here and chances are good Nielsen and a new DB coach can get him dialed in to the new scheme. I'd be surprised if any capital were spent on a prospect to compete meaningfully for the start there.
Bottom line:
I think we are likely to see at least two DBs added using some valuable capital via FA and/or draft.
I don't think this means Campbell is automatically out - it could go a number of ways - but I think he may be the least adaptable to the scheme out of the three assumed starters for next year.
Johnson definitely gonna be nb or ss, right?
Our final weeks Cisco was quite bad so was Jenkins and Campbell.
(01-23-2024, 07:21 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Our final weeks Cisco was quite bad so was Jenkins and Campbell.
This.
Probably looking at a CB in round 1 if BAP matches need. Heard Campo say this as well.
Rayshawn is gone, so we need his replacement more than a CB imo
Y’all will hate this but I believe in Buster Brown
I want
1. C
2. OG
3. IDL
4. S
5. CB
In this order ^
The narrative has shifted on Campbell. Let's see what he can do next year while hopefully remaining healthy. He was very good in 2022, but injured through out 2023.
(01-23-2024, 09:28 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Rayshawn is gone, so we need his replacement more than a CB imo
Y’all will hate this but I believe in Buster Brown
I want
1. C
2. OG
3. IDL
4. S
5. CB
In this order ^
I hope they get a G and C in FA.
(01-23-2024, 06:24 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2024, 10:47 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It is early in the process and free agency doesn't start for 7 weeks or so, but thought we could speculate a bit on whether or not Nielsen needs different personnel to run his intended scheme in Jax. Specifically in the secondary.
(I think we know he's gonna want some beef on the IDL and some edge depth/rotation as most any DC would - and we have linebackers available to compete in camp for base 4-3 spots)
That said - current roster:
Campbell: Really good zone cover guy who has shown some struggles in man. He may still be coachable there yet to some degree, but if there is one guy in the secondary I'm worried about playing 50% of his snaps in press man - it is Campbell. Change may be desired. Or they may try to develop him into the role.
Williams: Sort of the same dynamic as Campbell but to a lesser degree. Williams' tape in man coverage is better to me than Campbell's. I think if they are changing things this offseason - they may not make him a priority to move away from just yet - if at all.
Nickel: We've needed an upgrade here forever and I imagine fresh blood will compete with the recent late rounders to see who rises.
SS: Another great opportunity to upgrade a position IMO. The better OCs will get this defender isolated from time to time vs a TE or speedy RB and it can get ugly. Both in coverage and open field tackling. Honestly - I don't know what Nielsen wants trait wise here, and I won't speculate, but he will need to be able to man up in coverage.
FS: I think Cisco has enough upside to be a frontrunner here and chances are good Nielsen and a new DB coach can get him dialed in to the new scheme. I'd be surprised if any capital were spent on a prospect to compete meaningfully for the start there.
Bottom line:
I think we are likely to see at least two DBs added using some valuable capital via FA and/or draft.
I don't think this means Campbell is automatically out - it could go a number of ways - but I think he may be the least adaptable to the scheme out of the three assumed starters for next year.
Johnson definitely gonna be nb or ss, right?
Definitely. He's either replacing Jenkins, or taking over at NB. He flashed too much in his short sample size to not get him on the field more. Jenkins is average and mainly overpaid, time to move on.
(01-23-2024, 06:24 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2024, 10:47 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It is early in the process and free agency doesn't start for 7 weeks or so, but thought we could speculate a bit on whether or not Nielsen needs different personnel to run his intended scheme in Jax. Specifically in the secondary.
(I think we know he's gonna want some beef on the IDL and some edge depth/rotation as most any DC would - and we have linebackers available to compete in camp for base 4-3 spots)
That said - current roster:
Campbell: Really good zone cover guy who has shown some struggles in man. He may still be coachable there yet to some degree, but if there is one guy in the secondary I'm worried about playing 50% of his snaps in press man - it is Campbell. Change may be desired. Or they may try to develop him into the role.
Williams: Sort of the same dynamic as Campbell but to a lesser degree. Williams' tape in man coverage is better to me than Campbell's. I think if they are changing things this offseason - they may not make him a priority to move away from just yet - if at all.
Nickel: We've needed an upgrade here forever and I imagine fresh blood will compete with the recent late rounders to see who rises.
SS: Another great opportunity to upgrade a position IMO. The better OCs will get this defender isolated from time to time vs a TE or speedy RB and it can get ugly. Both in coverage and open field tackling. Honestly - I don't know what Nielsen wants trait wise here, and I won't speculate, but he will need to be able to man up in coverage.
FS: I think Cisco has enough upside to be a frontrunner here and chances are good Nielsen and a new DB coach can get him dialed in to the new scheme. I'd be surprised if any capital were spent on a prospect to compete meaningfully for the start there.
Bottom line:
I think we are likely to see at least two DBs added using some valuable capital via FA and/or draft.
I don't think this means Campbell is automatically out - it could go a number of ways - but I think he may be the least adaptable to the scheme out of the three assumed starters for next year.
Johnson definitely gonna be nb or ss, right?
All the local beat guys screaming SS for Johnson is a near lock
I just don't know how the new DC hire affects that - cause they been saying this well before the hire
(01-23-2024, 07:21 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Our final weeks Cisco was quite bad so was Jenkins and Campbell.
Cisco was playing hurt and you could see it in his altered style of play. Clearly in pain with limited range of motion. I'd wager he bounces back - but it is fair to hold him to it.
(01-23-2024, 07:59 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2024, 07:21 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Our final weeks Cisco was quite bad so was Jenkins and Campbell.
This.
Probably looking at a CB in round 1 if BAP matches need. Heard Campo say this as well.
Campbell was hurt all season - but definitely looked bad enough to worry a bit.
Camp competition in the secondary this offseason will be wild with these injured guys putting up bad tape and a new DC and DB coach in charge.
I think Jenkins spot should be seen as a clear opportunity to upgrade to a better coverage skill player and Johnson is the front runner for now.
(01-23-2024, 07:21 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Our final weeks Cisco was quite bad so was Jenkins and Campbell.
To be fair, the final weeks the entire defense was bad outside of Allen/Walker
As others have said, Cisco/Campbell never fully came back from their injuries this year
(01-24-2024, 09:20 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2024, 07:21 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Our final weeks Cisco was quite bad so was Jenkins and Campbell.
To be fair, the final weeks the entire defense was bad outside of Allen/Walker
As others have said, Cisco/Campbell never fully came back from their injuries this year
Both Cisco/Campbell had hamstring injuries and those can linger.
I think Dewey will get a shot at a starting role
He played really well the back half of last year. He could be the most improved player.