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The league is adopting the XFL kickoff rules.  This is good I think.  The XFL is serving it's purpose to experiment and let the NFL see if new ideas work.

There will be more returns now and fewer touchbacks, but no more faking into an onsides formation.

Thoughts and questions?

Will they hire an XFL SP teams guy to the staff to help prepare the team? Would be nice to continue a returning edge.

They had to know this was a possibility with a rule change to use money/cap space on a return specialist, right? Might as well spend some more.

The Packers were one of three teams(49ers, Raiders) to vote against the new kickoff rules.

The Packers wanted a trial run in the preseason before the new kickoff rules were implemented. What was the rush? Let's find out if the new kickoff rules are a complete disaster before implementing the new rules.

Thank God.  I was just sitting here wondering how the Packers voted.

(03-27-2024, 01:23 AM)PackersNation Wrote: [ -> ]The Packers were one of three teams(49ers, Raiders) to vote against the new kickoff rules.

The Packers wanted a trial run in the preseason before the new kickoff rules were implemented. What was the rush? Let's find out if the new kickoff rules are a complete disaster before implementing the new rules.

Yeah, the whole "nobody moves until the kick is fielded" seems like it is going to be clunky. Is orange glove guy gonna be the one to wave the all clear signal?

return yards may skyrocket with this, robbing our precious fantasy teams of valuable stats.
I guess if I watched an XFL game I might have an idea how this worked for them. Wonder what happens if you squib a kick? All you need is one burner to get past one of the receiving blockers and you got your onsides attempt right back, without the necessity of advertising intention.

With this new kick off change and the hip drop tackle being heavily looked at this year? Expect a [BLEEP] ton of flags to be thrown on this in general. Excited to see what Duvarney can do with these rules though.

(03-27-2024, 09:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Excited to see what Duvarney can do with these rules though.

Will be exciting to see good returners get more opps. Keishon Nixon led the league the last 2 years in kickoff return yards.

Also, important to have a quality special teams coach to gain an advantage with the new rules. Good to know Rich Bisaccia is on the job, already scheming to give the Packers the upper hand on kickoffs.

(03-27-2024, 09:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]With this new kick off change and the hip drop tackle being heavily looked at this year? Expect a [BLEEP] ton of flags to be thrown on this in general. Excited to see what Duvarney can do with these rules though.

Initially I was "oh my another handcuff for the defense" but after thinking about it I had a change of mind. I believe the hip drop process is used because the defensive player did not position himself well enough to efficiently tackle the offensive player. It is a failure of tackling technique, a kind of a desperation move. This was somewhat confirmed on 1010 by coach Campo. He pointed to the lack of time these days to properly teach and coach players up. Well, we will see this year.

(03-27-2024, 09:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2024, 09:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]With this new kick off change and the hip drop tackle being heavily looked at this year? Expect a [BLEEP] ton of flags to be thrown on this in general. Excited to see what Duvarney can do with these rules though.

Initially I was "oh my another handcuff for the defense" but after thinking about it I had a change of mind. I believe the hip drop process is used because the defensive player did not position himself well enough to efficiently tackle the offensive player. It is a failure of tackling technique, a kind of a desperation move. This was somewhat confirmed on 1010 by coach Campo. He pointed to the lack of time these days to properly teach and coach players up. Well, we will see this year.

These [BLEEP] have played since they were kids and only now they have to learn how to tackle? That's just stupid. NFL players are lazy

(03-27-2024, 09:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2024, 09:22 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]With this new kick off change and the hip drop tackle being heavily looked at this year? Expect a [BLEEP] ton of flags to be thrown on this in general. Excited to see what Duvarney can do with these rules though.

Initially I was "oh my another handcuff for the defense" but after thinking about it I had a change of mind. I believe the hip drop process is used because the defensive player did not position himself well enough to efficiently tackle the offensive player. It is a failure of tackling technique, a kind of a desperation move. This was somewhat confirmed on 1010 by coach Campo. He pointed to the lack of time these days to properly teach and coach players up. Well, we will see this year.

Listen, I am all for safety and technique. However, it appears the game is still moving more and more towards punishing defenders and rewarding more and more offense. I am not a fan of that. 

If the NFL would start calling more penalties on offense, some of which we get away with, such as, the obvious pick plays, rub routes and "my arms are behind my back, it's not REALLY pass interference if I just run a few yards in front of him" nonsense? 

I would be okay with some of these changes. Slot receivers have become popular now and so have receiving tight-end's because they don't have to fear the middle of the football field anymore. There's no hard hitting, enforcing presence there that's allowed to clean your clock like they could just two decades ago. 

It's going to get interesting, but, all of these changes and rules just puts more and more burden on the officiating crews and they're going to have to start making decisions now on blowing the whistle when wrap-up's occur in the field of play after a run or catch or around the Quarterback. 

As of now:

Defenders cannot touch nor grab beyond 5 yards downfield in the secondary. 
Defenders cannot launch and lead with their shoulder area, even if an intended target themselves is leaving the ground for a catch. 
Defenders cannot tackle low around the Quarterback.
Defenders cannot put their bodyweight down on the Quarterback while attempting to make a sack. 
Defenders cannot now use the hip drop tackle on any play.

Meanwhile, offensive players 9/10 get away with pass interference, holding, crackback blocks, stiff arms that are more like facemask's, etc. It's getting to the point to where this sport is no longer watchable.

Nfl turning into flag football

(03-27-2024, 08:40 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2024, 01:23 AM)PackersNation Wrote: [ -> ]The Packers were one of three teams(49ers, Raiders) to vote against the new kickoff rules.

The Packers wanted a trial run in the preseason before the new kickoff rules were implemented. What was the rush? Let's find out if the new kickoff rules are a complete disaster before implementing the new rules.

Yeah, the whole "nobody moves until the kick is fielded" seems like it is going to be clunky. Is orange glove guy gonna be the one to wave the all clear signal?

return yards may skyrocket with this, robbing our precious fantasy teams of valuable stats.
I guess if I watched an XFL game I might have an idea how this worked for them. Wonder what happens if you squib a kick? All you need is one burner to get past one of the receiving blockers and you got your onsides attempt right back, without the necessity of advertising intention.

No squibs, no onside kicks unless announced before they line up. Squibs or sky ball kicks that land short of the 20 yard line result in a procedure penalty that puts the ball on the 40 like a kick out of bounds. Fair Catch is also no longer permitted on kick offs, so with all these changes we won't ever see a FB get a TD return again. It was that damn tinhorns play last year that caused all of this madness.

(03-28-2024, 12:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2024, 09:16 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Initially I was "oh my another handcuff for the defense" but after thinking about it I had a change of mind. I believe the hip drop process is used because the defensive player did not position himself well enough to efficiently tackle the offensive player. It is a failure of tackling technique, a kind of a desperation move. This was somewhat confirmed on 1010 by coach Campo. He pointed to the lack of time these days to properly teach and coach players up. Well, we will see this year.

Listen, I am all for safety and technique. However, it appears the game is still moving more and more towards punishing defenders and rewarding more and more offense. I am not a fan of that. 

If the NFL would start calling more penalties on offense, some of which we get away with, such as, the obvious pick plays, rub routes and "my arms are behind my back, it's not REALLY pass interference if I just run a few yards in front of him" nonsense? 

I would be okay with some of these changes. Slot receivers have become popular now and so have receiving tight-end's because they don't have to fear the middle of the football field anymore. There's no hard hitting, enforcing presence there that's allowed to clean your clock like they could just two decades ago. 

It's going to get interesting, but, all of these changes and rules just puts more and more burden on the officiating crews and they're going to have to start making decisions now on blowing the whistle when wrap-up's occur in the field of play after a run or catch or around the Quarterback. 

As of now:

Defenders cannot touch nor grab beyond 5 yards downfield in the secondary. 
Defenders cannot launch and lead with their shoulder area, even if an intended target themselves is leaving the ground for a catch. 
Defenders cannot tackle low around the Quarterback.
Defenders cannot put their bodyweight down on the Quarterback while attempting to make a sack. 
Defenders cannot now use the hip drop tackle on any play.

Meanwhile, offensive players 9/10 get away with pass interference, holding, crackback blocks, stiff arms that are more like facemask's, etc. It's getting to the point to where this sport is no longer watchable.

correct me if I'm wrong, but don't fankings and darftduel have fantasy fb tie-ins?

all those bets and fantasy teams are engagement by often casual or otherwise uninterested "fans". More stats, more fantasy points, more happy viewers.

Diehard fans can still appreciate a 6-3 slugfest or understand how a tie factors into standings. The league is appealing to the broader audience of casuals, plain and simple.

(03-29-2024, 10:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2024, 08:40 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, the whole "nobody moves until the kick is fielded" seems like it is going to be clunky. Is orange glove guy gonna be the one to wave the all clear signal?

return yards may skyrocket with this, robbing our precious fantasy teams of valuable stats.
I guess if I watched an XFL game I might have an idea how this worked for them. Wonder what happens if you squib a kick? All you need is one burner to get past one of the receiving blockers and you got your onsides attempt right back, without the necessity of advertising intention.

No squibs, no onside kicks unless announced before they line up. Squibs or sky ball kicks that land short of the 20 yard line result in a procedure penalty that puts the ball on the 40 like a kick out of bounds. Fair Catch is also no longer permitted on kick offs, so with all these changes we won't ever see a FB get a TD return again. It was that damn tinhorns play last year that caused all of this madness.

You could see that but normally it will be the faster players. This rule change allows you to get creative on returns and it only takes 1 good block now. The defenders have to spread out, a block can really open it up.

Some coaches being able to flip the side of the field with handoffs, pitches, laterals, etc are going to make of great return plays.

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(04-03-2024, 03:02 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-29-2024, 10:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No squibs, no onside kicks unless announced before they line up. Squibs or sky ball kicks that land short of the 20 yard line result in a procedure penalty that puts the ball on the 40 like a kick out of bounds. Fair Catch is also no longer permitted on kick offs, so with all these changes we won't ever see a FB get a TD return again. It was that damn tinhorns play last year that caused all of this madness.

You could see that but normally it will be the faster players. This rule change allows you to get creative on returns and it only takes 1 good block now. The defenders have to spread out, a block can really open it up.

Some coaches being able to flip the side of the field with handoffs, pitches, laterals, etc are going to make of great return plays.

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Just another gimmick to add more points to the game.