The score is tied. We get the ball back with a chance to take the lead and win the game. We go 3 and out and allow the Dolphins to drive into position to attempt the go ahead fg. What do you think the issue is? Why does this team shrink in crunch time? Is this just a continuation of the great collapse of ‘23?
The issue is that when the game is on the line the other team dials up the pass rush and the Jags can't stop it. The same problem they've had for years.
We just aren't very good. The team cannot deliver when it matters. Tactically in the game when it matters, or strategically as a franchise. Maybe we will get there overtime if we stay the course, we've had two winning seasons in a row. But right now, even in our extremely limited success, the team can't get it done when it matters.
Because this is pro football and the opponents are real good. Give an inch it can flip a game.
(09-09-2024, 01:25 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Because this is pro football and the opponents are real good. Give an inch it can flip a game.
Yep, exactly right. Everyone is good, the winners are the ones who do it better.
What is old is new. New year with an old problem. Until this stops, it will continue.
^^ Very obvious but this is what we see. Good news the team is not a 1 or 2 win team. Bad news Houston is a much better team then we had hoped they would be. The division is the Texans to lose.
(09-09-2024, 01:31 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]What is old is new. New year with an old problem. Until this stops, it will continue.
^^ Very obvious but this is what we see. Good news the team is not a 1 or 2 win team. Bad news Houston is a much better team then we had hoped they would be. The division is the Texans to lose.
This. Exactly this. How many times are we going to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again with this coaching staff while the rest of the teams leap over us?
That's the PROBLEM. How many more [BLEEP] games is it going to take for it to click? Your roster is an extension of your coach. We all saw it yesterday. The team [BLEEP] panicked after Etienne fumbled the football and Hill had that TD pass that shortened the lead down to three.
They broke out into buttholes and [BLEEP] themselves. They then proceeded to shutdown completely with mental constipation. That's a direct reflection of your coaching staff.
The personnel was good enough to get you up to 17 - 7, the personnel was good enough to get you close to a 24 - 7 opportunity, and the personnel was good enough to finish 9 - 8 in 2022 and start 8 - 3 in 2023.
Getting exhausted from the sheer amount of excuses that get thrown around here for lack of growth and ineptitude in spite of plenty of money and draft selections being thrown into this roster to make it work.
The running game worked in the 1st half, it enabled the chunk plays through the air. The running game was shut down immediately after the fumble on the next ensuing drives and the coaching staff and personnel had NO answer for it. They had no response. They laid down like dogs and [BLEEP] died.
The defense tried to keep the game together. They bailed out Doug's dumb [BLEEP] panic decision there to go for it on 4th down after the field goal was missed and the offense was still stuck on the [BLEEP] can with mental constipation. Enough with the excuses guys. Enough.
We going to hear this same [BLEEP] again if they lose to Cleveland at home next Sunday? After they were one of the WORST [BLEEP] teams last week in the season opener? Seriously? I know it's week one, but, then again, it's not. It's really not.
You spent a fortune on Lawrence. You spent a fortune on Hines-Allen. You went out and signed Gabe Davis, the best deep ball threat over the last three years with a nose for the endzone, you went out and drafted the guy that led the FBS in TD's last year with his size and speed combination. You gave us a little bit of hope for the first three quarters and then you let a fumble? One little hiccup derail your efforts?
That's been the story since the beginning with this staff. It's not good enough. Good teams scheme their best players open. I don't want to hear anymore nonsense about it. You put your aces in their places and you figure it the [BLEEP] out. We had plenty of opportunities and flashes in that game. Plenty. They took their [BLEEP] foot off the gas. The play calling reflects that.
I think that’s the best offense the jags will face for a while, so that’s on the positive side.
I know it's all about what actually happened, but if Etienne doesn't fumble and we score a touchfown, very likely we are crowing about a huge blowout victory over a very difficult opponent and talking how far this team will go.
Because we did fumble then gave up a bomb that's not it, but the opposite story could have easily been true and today would have felt different but it would still be the exact same team.
(09-09-2024, 02:23 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I know it's all about what actually happened, but if Etienne doesn't fumble and we score a touchfown, very likely we are crowing about a huge blowout victory over a very difficult opponent and talking how far this team will go.
Because we did fumble then gave up a bomb that's not it, but the opposite story could have easily been true and today would have felt different but it would still be the exact same team.
[BLEEP] happens. It's how you respond to said [BLEEP] that matters. The team proceeded to [BLEEP] itself after that one fumble. That shouldn't happen in year three now with the same coaching staff and same Quarterback in charge. It especially shouldn't happen when you have the same core skill position players in Kirk, Engram and Etienne all in year three with him.
There's no excuses for it anymore. I don't want to hear it. Especially against a rookie DC with a banged up secondary and a no name front seven out there. Scheme your [BLEEP] way out of that mess. You still had the lead after that huge TD play by Hill. They had time to respond, time to rein themselves in, time to cook something up good to recapture the momentum.
What did we get? Same [BLEEP] run plays that worked in the first half that were now getting limited to 1 - 3 yard gains. First drive that happened? Alright, that's a bummer. They adjusted. What are we doing next series then? Are we letting our $55M QB cook coach? Nope! Run that mother [BLEEP] right up in that same area again for the same results.
[BLEEP] that.
We ran like 12 plays after that fumble. Hard to do anything with that.
As the saying goes
Same [BLEEP] different smell
Honestly it's on the leadership. Coaching for sure is a problem, but i'm talking more about the team Captains and veteran leaders amongst the players. We have guys that have survived multiple regimes and losing cultures that are still here perpetuating the same old losing ways!!
The biggest strides we made in the past (2017 in particular for this example) was when Marrone after being promoted to Head Coach; ousted a lot of the vets from 2016 into 2017 and brought in vets from winning teams that knew how to win and set a good tone for the rest of the roster. Guys like: Calais Campbell, Barry Church etc. that were strong leaders as well as dependable players.
I know he's not playing and is on IR, but as a CAPTAIN i was alarmed last year to see this soundbite from Wingard after the Steelers game last year:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y8upx7DfH4A "I don't need no complaining and oh, do this, do that, we're 6-2... JAGS!!" -Andrew Wingard. I may be a bit hyperbolic zeroing in on this in particular; and Wingard is correct that getting the W was what mattered. But the "complaining" was pointing out glaring issues that ultimately doomed our season to that god awful collapse. Considering the way our Defense last year had position groups not talking to each other and pointing fingers as to where the blame should be. Ignoring issues and communication breaking down is not good leadership!! I don't think it was enough to just swap out the Defensive coaching staff. I can't for the life of me understand why the Captains and player leaders on that Defense stuck around or were put into leaderships roles again this season after what allegedly occurred to end last year.
Josh Hines-Allen is growing into a leader. But outside of him, I really don't see anyone else on this roster that's a vocal guy that can rally everyone like Calais Campbell used to. We are SORELY missing that veteran presence and respected voice that can get everyone to focus up, take a breath, and take care of business when the adversity shows up. In theory it should be Trevor Lawrence, but that's going to take time since that's not his style right now, and time is a luxury we don't have with a roster that's in its window to contend.
tl;dr - We need better vet leaders and captains from amount the players. Coaching changes will only do so much.
(09-09-2024, 01:54 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I think that’s the best offense the jags will face for a while, so that’s on the positive side.
This for sure. They have the fastest offense in the league
Once again key moments
The saftey
The missed little fg to put us in reach by 3
The [BLEEP] penalty that took away the Kirk touchdown because of the 1000th illegal shift flag in game
Lol.
This team right now cannot seem to handle adversity, controversy, success, fortune, luck, happenstance, fluke, or opportunity.
This may derail the season.
(09-09-2024, 06:05 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly it's on the leadership. Coaching for sure is a problem, but i'm talking more about the team Captains and veteran leaders amongst the players. We have guys that have survived multiple regimes and losing cultures that are still here perpetuating the same old losing ways!!
The biggest strides we made in the past (2017 in particular for this example) was when Marrone after being promoted to Head Coach; ousted a lot of the vets from 2016 into 2017 and brought in vets from winning teams that knew how to win and set a good tone for the rest of the roster. Guys like: Calais Campbell, Barry Church etc. that were strong leaders as well as dependable players.
I know he's not playing and is on IR, but as a CAPTAIN i was alarmed last year to see this soundbite from Wingard after the Steelers game last year: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y8upx7DfH4A "I don't need no complaining and oh, do this, do that, we're 6-2... JAGS!!" -Andrew Wingard. I may be a bit hyperbolic zeroing in on this in particular; and Wingard is correct that getting the W was what mattered. But the "complaining" was pointing out glaring issues that ultimately doomed our season to that god awful collapse. Considering the way our Defense last year had position groups not talking to each other and pointing fingers as to where the blame should be. Ignoring issues and communication breaking down is not good leadership!! I don't think it was enough to just swap out the Defensive coaching staff. I can't for the life of me understand why the Captains and player leaders on that Defense stuck around or were put into leaderships roles again this season after what allegedly occurred to end last year.
Josh Hines-Allen is growing into a leader. But outside of him, I really don't see anyone else on this roster that's a vocal guy that can rally everyone like Calais Campbell used to. We are SORELY missing that veteran presence and respected voice that can get everyone to focus up, take a breath, and take care of business when the adversity shows up. In theory it should be Trevor Lawrence, but that's going to take time since that's not his style right now, and time is a luxury we don't have with a roster that's in its window to contend.
tl;dr - We need better vet leaders and captains from amount the players. Coaching changes will only do so much.
The only players still on the team that were here pre-Urban Meyer are:
Cam Robinson
Roy Robertson Harris
Logan Cooke
Josh Hines Allen
Andrew Wingard
DaVon Hamilton.
We can all agree that Cooke and Allen are good. Wingard is only a back up/ST guy who is always high energy.
Maybe you can say Cam, but they have definitely tried to find replacements for OT in the draft even if they failed with Little, Hamilton, and Foster.
Basically there aren't that many "legacy" players that you are blaming this on.
(09-15-2024, 05:33 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 06:05 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly it's on the leadership. Coaching for sure is a problem, but i'm talking more about the team Captains and veteran leaders amongst the players. We have guys that have survived multiple regimes and losing cultures that are still here perpetuating the same old losing ways!!
The biggest strides we made in the past (2017 in particular for this example) was when Marrone after being promoted to Head Coach; ousted a lot of the vets from 2016 into 2017 and brought in vets from winning teams that knew how to win and set a good tone for the rest of the roster. Guys like: Calais Campbell, Barry Church etc. that were strong leaders as well as dependable players.
I know he's not playing and is on IR, but as a CAPTAIN i was alarmed last year to see this soundbite from Wingard after the Steelers game last year: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y8upx7DfH4A "I don't need no complaining and oh, do this, do that, we're 6-2... JAGS!!" -Andrew Wingard. I may be a bit hyperbolic zeroing in on this in particular; and Wingard is correct that getting the W was what mattered. But the "complaining" was pointing out glaring issues that ultimately doomed our season to that god awful collapse. Considering the way our Defense last year had position groups not talking to each other and pointing fingers as to where the blame should be. Ignoring issues and communication breaking down is not good leadership!! I don't think it was enough to just swap out the Defensive coaching staff. I can't for the life of me understand why the Captains and player leaders on that Defense stuck around or were put into leaderships roles again this season after what allegedly occurred to end last year.
Josh Hines-Allen is growing into a leader. But outside of him, I really don't see anyone else on this roster that's a vocal guy that can rally everyone like Calais Campbell used to. We are SORELY missing that veteran presence and respected voice that can get everyone to focus up, take a breath, and take care of business when the adversity shows up. In theory it should be Trevor Lawrence, but that's going to take time since that's not his style right now, and time is a luxury we don't have with a roster that's in its window to contend.
tl;dr - We need better vet leaders and captains from amount the players. Coaching changes will only do so much.
The only players still on the team that were here pre-Urban Meyer are:
Cam Robinson
Roy Robertson Harris
Logan Cooke
Josh Hines Allen
Andrew Wingard
DaVon Hamilton.
We can all agree that Cooke and Allen are good. Wingard is only a back up/ST guy who is always high energy.
Maybe you can say Cam, but they have definitely tried to find replacements for OT in the draft even if they failed with Little, Hamilton, and Foster.
Basically there aren't that many "legacy" players that you are blaming this on.
Who is Hamilton?
It is amazing how flat the team came out for the home opener. Where is the passion for the game?