(09-28-2024, 01:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 12:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/an...2C%2074%25
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-...-rankings/
Buffalo ranks No. 1 in pass-block win rate (85%) through three weeks. Your oline is only as good as your weakest link.
Lol, whatever man. The line might be good but OT stinks. Worse than Scherff and you defending it like your life depends on it.
There is nothing really to defend lol. Scherff in his prime yes, but Scherff isn't better than Torrence now. It wouldn't surprise me if Scherrf doesn't even finish the season as our starter. Torrence will be a part of one of the better olines chasing a SB for many more years to come.
(09-28-2024, 02:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 01:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, whatever man. The line might be good but OT stinks. Worse than Scherff and you defending it like your life depends on it.
There is nothing really to defend lol. Scherff in his prime yes, but Scherff isn't better than Torrence now. It wouldn't surprise me if Scherrf doesn't even finish the season as our starter. Torrence will be a part of one of the better olines chasing a SB for many more years to come.
I would have liked us to pick Torrence when he was available at our pick, but Pederson was NEVER going to pick a phone booth sized guy like that for his ZBS. He demands the more athletic mobile guys.
I'd wager big money that Baalke's postseason presser where he went on and on several times about getting bigger and stronger in the trenches was his way of expressing his displeasure with the way Pederson was building that OL.
(09-28-2024, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 02:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]There is nothing really to defend lol. Scherff in his prime yes, but Scherff isn't better than Torrence now. It wouldn't surprise me if Scherrf doesn't even finish the season as our starter. Torrence will be a part of one of the better olines chasing a SB for many more years to come.
I would have liked us to pick Torrence when he was available at our pick, but Pederson was NEVER going to pick a phone booth sized guy like that for his ZBS. He demands the more athletic mobile guys.
I'd wager big money that Baalke's postseason presser where he went on and on several times about getting bigger and stronger in the trenches was his way of expressing his displeasure with the way Pederson was building that OL.
That's what they say but that's not Cam Robinson and they extended him. Cam is better suited for a power blocking scheme and he doesn't move well in space. Like his rookie year when we led the league in rushing. On top of that the Bills had no problem taking Torrence and putting him in their zone blocking scheme. Things that make you go hmmmmmm. Lol.
I agree with your last statement. I absolutely think Trent let Rouscher and Doug build the oline the way they wanted to and they use what scheme Rouscher wants to use. Not a fan though. We know Cleveland and Harrison is Rouscher's guys
(09-28-2024, 05:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I would have liked us to pick Torrence when he was available at our pick, but Pederson was NEVER going to pick a phone booth sized guy like that for his ZBS. He demands the more athletic mobile guys.
I'd wager big money that Baalke's postseason presser where he went on and on several times about getting bigger and stronger in the trenches was his way of expressing his displeasure with the way Pederson was building that OL.
That's what they say but that's not Cam Robinson and they extended him. Cam is better suited for a power blocking scheme and he doesn't move well in space. Like his rookie year when we led the league in rushing. On top of that the Bills had no problem taking Torrence and putting him in their zone blocking scheme. Things that make you go hmmmmmm. Lol.
I agree with your last statement. I absolutely think Trent let Rouscher and Doug build the oline the way they wanted to and they use what scheme Rouscher wants to use. Not a fan though. We know Cleveland and Harrison is Rouscher's guys
The Cam Robinson extension came in an offseason when they lost three interior linemen to free agency, spent free agent money on WR x2, G, TE, DT, LB and drafted mostly defense and a bum Center. All were needed badly.
Keeping Cam around was a business decision in a year when they really didn't want to throw a 1st round pick or big money at Tackle. Cam's cap hit that first year was only 7 mil.
They gambled by focusing capital elsewhere and it has not been a winning bet.
I don't think they saw him as a scheme fit, but a player apparently respected in the locker room and "close enough" to the traits they desired at LT. Bad decision in the end.
I'd love to see the next regime install a run scheme that uses less zone and more power blocking with a revamped line with at least three big maulers.
(09-28-2024, 06:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 05:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That's what they say but that's not Cam Robinson and they extended him. Cam is better suited for a power blocking scheme and he doesn't move well in space. Like his rookie year when we led the league in rushing. On top of that the Bills had no problem taking Torrence and putting him in their zone blocking scheme. Things that make you go hmmmmmm. Lol.
I agree with your last statement. I absolutely think Trent let Rouscher and Doug build the oline the way they wanted to and they use what scheme Rouscher wants to use. Not a fan though. We know Cleveland and Harrison is Rouscher's guys
The Cam Robinson extension came in an offseason when they lost three interior linemen to free agency, spent free agent money on WR x2, G, TE, DT, LB and drafted mostly defense and a bum Center. All were needed badly.
Keeping Cam around was a business decision in a year when they really didn't want to throw a 1st round pick or big money at Tackle. Cam's cap hit that first year was only 7 mil.
They gambled by focusing capital elsewhere and it has not been a winning bet.
I don't think they saw him as a scheme fit, but a player apparently respected in the locker room and "close enough" to the traits they desired at LT. Bad decision in the end.
I'd love to see the next regime install a run scheme that uses less zone and more power blocking with a revamped line with at least three big maulers.
It would be nice but I just want the best lineman we can get and then fit the scheme around those guys. I want a oline coach that can be flexible and adapt his scheme to the talent we aquire. There are a number of oline coaches that have switched schemes. There are a numer of successesful zone blocking and gap scheme blocking teams that don't get mauled and bullied the way we do. The great lineman can play in any scheme and hopefully we get 1 or 2 of those guys in the next draft.
(09-28-2024, 06:32 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 06:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The Cam Robinson extension came in an offseason when they lost three interior linemen to free agency, spent free agent money on WR x2, G, TE, DT, LB and drafted mostly defense and a bum Center. All were needed badly.
Keeping Cam around was a business decision in a year when they really didn't want to throw a 1st round pick or big money at Tackle. Cam's cap hit that first year was only 7 mil.
They gambled by focusing capital elsewhere and it has not been a winning bet.
I don't think they saw him as a scheme fit, but a player apparently respected in the locker room and "close enough" to the traits they desired at LT. Bad decision in the end.
I'd love to see the next regime install a run scheme that uses less zone and more power blocking with a revamped line with at least three big maulers.
It would be nice but I just want the best lineman we can get and then fit the scheme around those guys. I want a oline coach that can be flexible and adapt his scheme to the talent we aquire. There are a number of oline coaches that have switched schemes. There are a numer of successesful zone blocking and gap scheme blocking teams that don't get mauled and bullied the way we do. The great lineman can play in any scheme and hopefully we get 1 or 2 of those guys in the next draft.
I agree with all of that, you always want staff that know how to utilize what players they have available.
But what I'm saying is this:
The next regime is not going to ride with what is left to them on this OL. Very strong chance they will make at least 2 personnel changes up front in year one.
If they do that, I hope they pick or sign guys that would suit their ideal scheme and I hope that ideal scheme involves less cute [BLEEP], and more just beating the guy lined up across from you.
(09-28-2024, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2024, 06:32 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice but I just want the best lineman we can get and then fit the scheme around those guys. I want a oline coach that can be flexible and adapt his scheme to the talent we aquire. There are a number of oline coaches that have switched schemes. There are a numer of successesful zone blocking and gap scheme blocking teams that don't get mauled and bullied the way we do. The great lineman can play in any scheme and hopefully we get 1 or 2 of those guys in the next draft.
I agree with all of that, you always want staff that know how to utilize what players they have available.
But what I'm saying is this:
The next regime is not going to ride with what is left to them on this OL. Very strong chance they will make at least 2 personnel changes up front in year one.
If they do that, I hope they pick or sign guys that would suit their ideal scheme and I hope that ideal scheme involves less cute [BLEEP], and more just beating the guy lined up across from you.
Most definitely, I actually think if we had a really good oline coach we could get more out of the players we have even, not saying our oline would be good but better than what we have seen. I think we definitely have 1 new starting tackle and 1 new guard starting.
I'd love to add Trey Smith in FA and draft and Will Campbell. Our oline would be much improved adding those 2 players. We only have 3 starters under contract next year anyway so the new GM can get his guys on the oline.
The fact that no one has stepped up is the biggest issue with the team.