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(10-10-2024, 10:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Bears fans think this will be an easy one

https://www.bearsfansonline.com/forum/vi...1c9b9a8fcc

Can't blame them

The Bears fly over on Tuesday, we wait until the hurricane passes Thursday morning before travel. Shad trying to save some hotel bucks.

(10-10-2024, 11:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Bears fly over on Tuesday, we wait until the hurricane passes Thursday morning before travel. Shad trying to save some hotel bucks.

We usually fly over on the Thursday. Usually fly around 5pm-6pm. With the 8 hour flight and 5 hours time difference they usually land around 6am-7am. Its meant to feel a more natural change for the players and they feel they get better work done at the facility in the week.

(10-10-2024, 11:42 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 11:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Bears fly over on Tuesday, we wait until the hurricane passes Thursday morning before travel. Shad trying to save some hotel bucks.

We usually fly over on the Thursday. Usually fly around 5pm-6pm. With the 8 hour flight and 5 hours time difference they usually land around 6am-7am. Its meant to feel a more natural change for the players and they feel they get better work done at the facility in the week.

Understandable. But with a potential natural catastrophe looming, it makes more sense to travel when the travelling is guaranteed to be good. Had the hurricane wobbled north, or increased to category 5 strength, it could have been a whole different picture in Jacksonville. 

I'm sure the team had good meteorological reports upon which to base their decision, but it just seems like an unnecessary gamble.

(10-10-2024, 11:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 11:42 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]We usually fly over on the Thursday. Usually fly around 5pm-6pm. With the 8 hour flight and 5 hours time difference they usually land around 6am-7am. Its meant to feel a more natural change for the players and they feel they get better work done at the facility in the week.

Understandable. But with a potential natural catastrophe looming, it makes more sense to travel when the travelling is guaranteed to be good. Had the hurricane wobbled north, or increased to category 5 strength, it could have been a whole different picture in Jacksonville. 

I'm sure the team had good meteorological reports upon which to base their decision, but it just seems like an unnecessary gamble.

I get your point. They are doing their standard routine but the hurricane certainly added something else to consider. I know Tampa flew to New Orleans early to avoid the hurricane and it feels like the Jacksonville area got lucky that it seemed to avoid as much damage as elsewhere in Florida.

I wonder if they kind of hoped it wouldn't disrupt plans too much and get lucky but I get your point, it could have caused a lot of disruption to travel plans and preparation when they could have traveled 2 days earlier and not had the risk.

(10-10-2024, 09:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I seen where the Bears had the best oline in the league last week.  I want to see Armstead show why we brought him here and for and for Allen and Walker to dominate.  I'd love to see Maason Smith get some pressure Sunday as well.  At some point Armstead has to make an impact right?  He was coming off an injury and missed all preseason.  Hopefully Armstead has his best day as a Jag Sunday

I seen where the burrs played the Panthers last week.

Context is important.

(10-10-2024, 01:18 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 09:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I seen where the Bears had the best oline in the league last week.  I want to see Armstead show why we brought him here and for and for Allen and Walker to dominate.  I'd love to see Maason Smith get some pressure Sunday as well.  At some point Armstead has to make an impact right?  He was coming off an injury and missed all preseason.  Hopefully Armstead has his best day as a Jag Sunday

I seen where the burrs played the Panthers last week.

Context is important.

I seen it.

(10-10-2024, 01:18 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 09:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I seen where the Bears had the best oline in the league last week.  I want to see Armstead show why we brought him here and for and for Allen and Walker to dominate.  I'd love to see Maason Smith get some pressure Sunday as well.  At some point Armstead has to make an impact right?  He was coming off an injury and missed all preseason.  Hopefully Armstead has his best day as a Jag Sunday

I seen where the burrs played the Panthers last week.

Context is important.

And we beat a Colts team that had their best players out.  Works both ways

(10-10-2024, 11:51 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 11:42 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]We usually fly over on the Thursday. Usually fly around 5pm-6pm. With the 8 hour flight and 5 hours time difference they usually land around 6am-7am. Its meant to feel a more natural change for the players and they feel they get better work done at the facility in the week.

Understandable. But with a potential natural catastrophe looming, it makes more sense to travel when the travelling is guaranteed to be good. Had the hurricane wobbled north, or increased to category 5 strength, it could have been a whole different picture in Jacksonville. 

I'm sure the team had good meteorological reports upon which to base their decision, but it just seems like an unnecessary gamble.

This is Doug Pederson we're talking about here.

(10-10-2024, 01:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 01:18 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I seen where the burrs played the Panthers last week.

Context is important.

And we beat a Colts team that had their best players out.  Works both ways

They certainly had their better QB in the game.

(10-10-2024, 02:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 01:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]And we beat a Colts team that had their best players out.  Works both ways

They certainly had their better QB in the game.

Yeah, their 40 year old backup QB put up 360 yrds 3 TDs. O INTs

The bears forum doesn't appear to have the same level of pessimistic fans that we do. I'm seeing a lot of 30+ for the Bears, 15+ for the Jags predictions over there which is to be expected by some home team fans of course. I personally feel like they're deluding themselves a bit. I feel that we could either lose a close one or perhaps even win big. I don't see us losing big. We've done this drill many times. We're not as bad as the record indicates and in fact I think we're actually a pretty good team overall. The passing yards given up is a legitimate concern, but don't discount big plays from the pass rush potentially creating overdue turnovers. I think our offense will be just fine. Also, as I mentioned previously, I could easily see a few Bears players overlooking this game and focusing on their bye the following week.

I'm worried about the defensive game plan.

Whenever they play QB contain because they are worried about a mobile QB or run contain because they were worried about holding the edge, they cannot get pressure and cannot get the other team off the field. The times they just let JHA and TW rush because they weren't worried about it, the DL looked like a strength.

Caleb has not gone off with scrambling yet, but it is definitely in his bag. And I can see that dictating a contain scheme which would neuter the pass rush.

(10-10-2024, 07:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/kct2020/status/18441...XCCaQ&s=19

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Chicago has a strong 4Q offense. This game might feel like a condensed version of the loss in Houston. Hopefully we can come out on top in this one. Cannot have the mental breakdowns and coverage assignment failures in this one like we had at home last Sunday.

The Bears have only have 3 4th quarter TD drives, all against the Colts and Panthers, and the Panthers one was a short field. Their other 4th quarter TDs were a pick-6 and 3rd quarter drive with the last play in the 4th quarter.

The Bears weakness is run defense. If the Jags are out the game that they cannot spam the run, they will be in trouble. They have to just hammer the run and get points on those drives.

(10-09-2024, 08:50 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Washington is the least of our concerns. Those two safeties in the back with Chicago's WRs coming up should be the main concern.

Brisker is out for the game, so one of their back ups will be playing.

You feed BTJ the ball. The running game will be better off when we decide to make the bears D respect our receivers.

That's what we did on against the clots. That's what we did Week 1. And that's what we did in the 2nd half against the tin horns.

With BTJ we have a real WR1 that can worry the D. And then we have Kirk that is a good WR2 that can find openings and make tough catches. Against the clots, we opened everything up because we decided to throw first and get easy check downs to our reliable RB in the first few drives. That made them respect the short pass. Then we took our shots, and Lawrence delivered dimes. We can beat the bears. But this offense has to look to pass to open up the run, instead of the other way around.

This team has all the weapons. It just needs to be game planned properly to confuse the bears D.

(10-10-2024, 02:57 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The bears forum doesn't appear to have the same level of pessimistic fans that we do.  I'm seeing a lot of 30+ for the Bears, 15+ for the Jags predictions over there which is to be expected by some home team fans of course.  I personally feel like they're deluding themselves a bit. I feel that we could either lose a close one or perhaps even win big.  I don't see us losing big.  We've done this drill many times.  We're not as bad as the record indicates and in fact I think we're actually a pretty good team overall.  The passing yards given up is a legitimate concern, but don't discount big plays from the pass rush potentially creating overdue turnovers.  I think our offense will be just fine.  Also, as I mentioned previously, I could easily see a few Bears players overlooking this game and focusing on their bye the following week.

I'm not sure about that, they were saying that drafting Caleb Williams was a huge mistake after two games in.

(10-10-2024, 05:39 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]You feed BTJ the ball.  The running game will be better off when we decide to make the bears D respect our receivers.

That's what we did on against the clots.  That's what we did Week 1.  And that's what we did in the 2nd half against the tin horns.

With BTJ we have a real WR1 that can worry the D.  And then we have Kirk that is a good WR2 that can find openings and make tough catches.  Against the clots, we opened everything up because we decided to throw first and get easy check downs to our reliable RB in the first few drives.  That made them respect the short pass.  Then we took our shots, and Lawrence delivered dimes.  We can beat the bears.  But this offense has to look to pass to open up the run, instead of the other way around.

This team has all the weapons.  It just needs to be game planned properly to confuse the bears D.

Carp

I don’t deny the logic of what you are saying. I personally have always been a pass first guy by nature. And I do agree we have weapons, two of which (Kirk and BTJ) and Etienne as a check down have in recent weeks proven to be effective. And I also may be in the minority but I still belive in Lawrence’s potential and talent as you do. 


The only thing is I do think that although Lawrence played a great game against the clots, who were a bit undermanned, I am not sure he is ready to take on the role of let’s pass to set up the run at all times … or let’s come out with the intent of throwing the ball first against the best pass defenses in the league as a recipe for success for him. I do think we can and will feature Lawerence’s strengths and our skill players as the game goes on especially with Engram back. But just for opponents like this.. whose strength is clearly against the pass and are more mediocre against the run. It will benefit Trevor and the team to really try to get Bigsby and Etienne going early if possible. This will help both the d and the o line in protection as the game goes on if it can be accomplished. And if it can’t it may make things very difficult for us to sustain drives as I think it puts a lot of stress on Trevor and the o line to play to the level of a Burrow, stroud, mahomes etc if we can’t. And I don’t think he has shown he can be that guy against the top level defenses yet at a consistent level. I’m not saying it’s not in his wheelhouse forever,  but I think he hasn’t proven it on a consistent level yet … and us going quick three and out or worse turning it over which the bears do well on d is a recipe for disaster 


Just my opinion though. And philosophically I share a similar thought as far as airing it out with a franchise QB and good skill and  with a proven decent o line

(10-10-2024, 06:27 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2024, 05:39 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]You feed BTJ the ball.  The running game will be better off when we decide to make the bears D respect our receivers.

That's what we did on against the clots.  That's what we did Week 1.  And that's what we did in the 2nd half against the tin horns.

With BTJ we have a real WR1 that can worry the D.  And then we have Kirk that is a good WR2 that can find openings and make tough catches.  Against the clots, we opened everything up because we decided to throw first and get easy check downs to our reliable RB in the first few drives.  That made them respect the short pass.  Then we took our shots, and Lawrence delivered dimes.  We can beat the bears.  But this offense has to look to pass to open up the run, instead of the other way around.

This team has all the weapons.  It just needs to be game planned properly to confuse the bears D.

Carp

I don’t deny the logic of what you are saying. I personally have always been a pass first guy by nature. And I do agree we have weapons, two of which (Kirk and BTJ) and Etienne as a check down have in recent weeks proven to be effective. And I also may be in the minority but I still belive in Lawrence’s potential and talent as you do. 


The only thing is I do think that although Lawrence played a great game against the clots, who were a bit undermanned, I am not sure he is ready to take on the role of let’s pass to set up the run at all times … or let’s come out with the intent of throwing the ball first against the best pass defenses in the league as a recipe for success for him. I do think we can and will feature Lawerence’s strengths and our skill players as the game goes on especially with Engram back. But just for opponents like this.. whose strength is clearly against the pass and are more mediocre against the run. It will benefit Trevor and the team to really try to get Bigsby and Etienne going early if possible. This will help both the d and the o line in protection as the game goes on if it can be accomplished. And if it can’t it may make things very difficult for us to sustain drives as I think it puts a lot of stress on Trevor and the o line to play to the level of a Burrow, stroud, mahomes etc if we can’t. And I don’t think he has shown he can be that guy against the top level defenses yet at a consistent level. I’m not saying it’s not in his wheelhouse forever,  but I think he hasn’t proven it on a consistent level yet … and us going quick three and out or worse turning it over which the bears do well on d is a recipe for disaster 


Just my opinion though. And philosophically I share a similar thought as far as airing it out with a franchise QB and good skill and  with a proven decent o line

I hear ya.  But if we're just gonna line up like we always do and run the plays we always run, we'll go 3 and out.  I don't mind running the ball, I really don't.  I just don't like the way we run the ball when we decide to start conservatively.  In my opinion, NFL D Lines that know you're gonna run the ball up the middle every time are going to wash out the play.  Heck, our D line proves that.  Our D Line is great against the run when they know it's coming.  Opposing D's are just as good.  

I don't mind them running it on 1st or 2nd down.  I just don't like the Shotgun formation where you just give the ball to the RB next to you and then he's got nowhere to go but up the middle.  If you're gonna run the ball, start under center and let the RB get some speed going downhill and then go off tackle/let him read the blocks.

Folks here lament that the O-Line is too finesse.  Well, if it's so finesse, you don't demand them to run block from shotgun when the entire D is focused on getting the single RB standing next to the QB!  For crying out loud... Give the RB a chance.  You normally don't give a RB a chance to be creative if you have him 7 yards off the line, snap it the to QB, and then give the ball to the RB.  That's 1.5 seconds right there where the D has figured out what's happening and the RB hasn't even gotten the ball.  At that point, you're just hoping for the best, but expecting a loss.  It's just a dumb strategy we've been doing for way too long.