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Not a thing. Everything is going great. Don't mess with it.

He says he'll beat inflation, and it's already beaten. Last quarter it clocked in at 1.2% compared to the previous quarter. It was at 2.4% on a year-over-year basis.

He says he'll rein in illegal immigration, and it's already reined in. What's more, job demand has plummeted so pressure on the border will remain low.




He says he wants Israel to giddy up and finish off the war, and it's already winding down of its own accord because there are only so many Palestinians you can kill. It's likely to be over within his first year.

He says he'll turbocharge the economy, and it's already turbocharged. In the latest quarter, real GDP grew 2.8% and is now an astonishing 2.6% above potential GDP. That's the highest it's been in half a century.

He says he'll cut imports from China, and they've already been cut. Last year imports of goods from China came to 1.28% of GDP, the lowest in 20 years.

He says he'll produce more oil and gas, and both are already at the highest levels in American history.

He says he'll get crime down, and it's already down because it never went up in the first place. The one thing that did go up was murder, and so far in 2024 it's plummeted to 4.4 per 100,000, the lowest rate in more than 40 years.

Just sit on his hands and let the good times roll. Can he do that? Lol. Of course he can't.

Do you have stats of the number of pets being eaten by Haitians?

To be a great President, Trump needs to fix the nation's debt problem, currently at $35,000,000,000,000 and growing at a rate of about $2,000,000,000,000 per year.

You’re on crack if you think immigration is already under control. Smoke it if you got it I guess.
Plus his big thing is getting rid of the ones allowed in over the past four years, not just stopping the flow over the border.

(11-16-2024, 08:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]To be a great President, Trump needs to fix the nation's debt problem, currently at $35,000,000,000,000 and growing at a rate of about $2,000,000,000,000 per year.

Hopefully that is what Doge is going to do.

I agree that most of the measureables look decent at the end of Biden's term.
For sure, there's going to be a big deportation push, new tariffs, and thousands of fired federal workers, mostly IRS.
I welcome the first part, we need to send the message that coming illegally is punished. Even if it's only punished some of the time that's a better message than punishing it none of the time. I think we probably need to let in more legal immigrants but we still need to punish illegal immigration. There is a downside risk that local or federal law enforcement are going to punish legal immigrants or simply black and brown people during their deportation drive. Keep an eye out for that.
The tariffs are going to be a bad idea. All they will do is drive prices up and they won't increase revenue enough to really change the debt situation. But they also might not be significant enough to really change the picture.
Firing the IRS workers is going to be bad for the job market and will reduce tax revenue and take us back to the good old days of billionaires paying whatever they feel like without worrying about audits.
As for the idea of Trump being a great President, that really is hard to say.
As long as we have free and fair elections in 2026 and 2028, there is a chance that history will call Trump great. You never know what the historians will be looking for. From the 70s to the 90s, history taught that Eisenhower and Truman were mediocre but Kennedy and Johnson cleaned up after them and were great. Now history teaches the opposite. Eisenhower and Truman were great while Kennedy and Johnson screwed a lot of things up.

To look at Immigration and understand a broader look is required than just Biden vs Trump. Also all types of immigration need to be evaluated. The attached link will take you to a visual chart that has it's methodology and how they classified the numbers from Congressional Budget Office (CBO) under it. I did my best to cut and paste an excerpt. Under Biden Illegal immigration was the highest by far. 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted...2001-2024/

This chart shows net immigration figures in the U.S. from 2001 to 2024, broken down by immigrant status. Data for 2021 to 2024 are projections.

The CBO categorizes immigrants to the United States of America into three groups:

    LPR+: Lawful permanent residents (LPRs) plus people who are eligible to apply to become LPRs on the basis of their current status, such as asylees and refugees. LPRs include those who are granted that status while within the United States as well as people who have gained admission from abroad.

    INA nonimmigrant: Comprises temporary workers, student exchange visitors, qualifying family members, and others admitted as nonimmigrants under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)—for example, officials of foreign governments—while they remain in that status.

    Other foreign national: People in the U.S. who are not in the first two categories and who have not subsequently become U.S. citizens or received LPR, asylee, or nonimmigrant status—such as those who entered the U.S. illegally or those who entered legally in a temporary status and then remained after that legal status expired

Net Immigration to the U.S. from 2001 to 2024, by President.

Below, we show net immigration figures for the U.S. from 2001 to 2024, broken down by immigrant type, along with the current U.S. president at the time.

                      LPR     INA Other foreign national Total
Obama 2011 791,000 42,000 -104,000 729,000
Obama 2012 766,000 -125,000 13,000 654,000
Obama 2013 748,000 -63,000 132,000 817,000
Obama 2014 769,000 824,000 46,000 1,639,000
Obama 2015 813,000 376,000 289,000 1,478,000
Obama 2016 877,000 -18,000 26,000 885,000
Trump 2017 840,000 473,000 -213,000 1,100,000
Trump 2018 810,000 -339,000 200,000 671,000
Trump 2019 713,000 -64,000 -234,000 415,000
Trump 2020 537,000 58,000 213,000 808,000
Biden 2021 551,000 20,000 600,000 1,171,000
Biden 2022 714,000 60,000 1,900,000 2,674,000
Biden 2023 807,000 90,000 2,400,000 3,297,000
Biden 2024 809,000 90,000 2,400,000 3,299,000

Overall, net immigration had the biggest increase under current U.S. President Joe Biden’s term.

(11-16-2024, 10:31 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]To look at Immigration and understand a broader look is required than just Biden vs Trump. Also all types of immigration need to be evaluated. The attached link will take you to a visual chart that has it's methodology and how they classified the numbers from Congressional Budget Office (CBO) under it. I did my best to cut and paste an excerpt. Under Biden Illegal immigration was the highest by far. 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted...2001-2024/

This chart shows net immigration figures in the U.S. from 2001 to 2024, broken down by immigrant status. Data for 2021 to 2024 are projections.

The CBO categorizes immigrants to the United States of America into three groups:

    LPR+: Lawful permanent residents (LPRs) plus people who are eligible to apply to become LPRs on the basis of their current status, such as asylees and refugees. LPRs include those who are granted that status while within the United States as well as people who have gained admission from abroad.

    INA nonimmigrant: Comprises temporary workers, student exchange visitors, qualifying family members, and others admitted as nonimmigrants under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)—for example, officials of foreign governments—while they remain in that status.

    Other foreign national: People in the U.S. who are not in the first two categories and who have not subsequently become U.S. citizens or received LPR, asylee, or nonimmigrant status—such as those who entered the U.S. illegally or those who entered legally in a temporary status and then remained after that legal status expired

Net Immigration to the U.S. from 2001 to 2024, by President.

Below, we show net immigration figures for the U.S. from 2001 to 2024, broken down by immigrant type, along with the current U.S. president at the time.

                      LPR     INA Other foreign national Total
Obama 2011 791,000 42,000 -104,000 729,000
Obama 2012 766,000 -125,000 13,000 654,000
Obama 2013 748,000 -63,000 132,000 817,000
Obama 2014 769,000 824,000 46,000 1,639,000
Obama 2015 813,000 376,000 289,000 1,478,000
Obama 2016 877,000 -18,000 26,000 885,000
Trump 2017 840,000 473,000 -213,000 1,100,000
Trump 2018 810,000 -339,000 200,000 671,000
Trump 2019 713,000 -64,000 -234,000 415,000
Trump 2020 537,000 58,000 213,000 808,000
Biden 2021 551,000 20,000 600,000 1,171,000
Biden 2022 714,000 60,000 1,900,000 2,674,000
Biden 2023 807,000 90,000 2,400,000 3,297,000
Biden 2024 809,000 90,000 2,400,000 3,299,000

Overall, net immigration had the biggest increase under current U.S. President Joe Biden’s term.

Exactly.  Sure, it's good that we channeled them to orderly, monitored points of entry, but that's still way too many people! 
Congress needs to agree to a number and that needs to be the number.  We need to stop letting Presidents just make up immigration policy as they go along.  Because you may like Trump's policy, but if it's not tied to an act of Congress, the next President after Trump might just do what Biden did with no consequences.

(11-16-2024, 12:35 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Not a thing. Everything is going great. Don't mess with it.

He says he'll beat inflation, and it's already beaten. Last quarter it clocked in at 1.2% compared to the previous quarter. It was at 2.4% on a year-over-year basis.

He says he'll rein in illegal immigration, and it's already reined in. What's more, job demand has plummeted so pressure on the border will remain low.




He says he wants Israel to giddy up and finish off the war, and it's already winding down of its own accord because there are only so many Palestinians you can kill. It's likely to be over within his first year.

He says he'll turbocharge the economy, and it's already turbocharged. In the latest quarter, real GDP grew 2.8% and is now an astonishing 2.6% above potential GDP. That's the highest it's been in half a century.

He says he'll cut imports from China, and they've already been cut. Last year imports of goods from China came to 1.28% of GDP, the lowest in 20 years.

He says he'll produce more oil and gas, and both are already at the highest levels in American history.

He says he'll get crime down, and it's already down because it never went up in the first place. The one thing that did go up was murder, and so far in 2024 it's plummeted to 4.4 per 100,000, the lowest rate in more than 40 years.

Just sit on his hands and let the good times roll. Can he do that? Lol. Of course he can't.

"We've cut illegal immigration."  But the millions who came in before they cut illegal immigration are still here.  
"Inflation is down."  But the prices at the grocery store are still up and they're not going to go back down.    

That's like bragging that you've managed to stop beating your wife.  

But, all that aside, the biggest, most dangerous measurable is the federal debt.  I think this country must be math-challenged, to not understand how incredibly dangerous this is.  NOTHING in your post said anything about the 35 trillion-dollar federal debt, which is now growing at a rate of 2 trillion dollars a year.

(11-16-2024, 10:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 12:35 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Not a thing. Everything is going great. Don't mess with it.

He says he'll beat inflation, and it's already beaten. Last quarter it clocked in at 1.2% compared to the previous quarter. It was at 2.4% on a year-over-year basis.

He says he'll rein in illegal immigration, and it's already reined in. What's more, job demand has plummeted so pressure on the border will remain low.




He says he wants Israel to giddy up and finish off the war, and it's already winding down of its own accord because there are only so many Palestinians you can kill. It's likely to be over within his first year.

He says he'll turbocharge the economy, and it's already turbocharged. In the latest quarter, real GDP grew 2.8% and is now an astonishing 2.6% above potential GDP. That's the highest it's been in half a century.

He says he'll cut imports from China, and they've already been cut. Last year imports of goods from China came to 1.28% of GDP, the lowest in 20 years.

He says he'll produce more oil and gas, and both are already at the highest levels in American history.

He says he'll get crime down, and it's already down because it never went up in the first place. The one thing that did go up was murder, and so far in 2024 it's plummeted to 4.4 per 100,000, the lowest rate in more than 40 years.

Just sit on his hands and let the good times roll. Can he do that? Lol. Of course he can't.

"Inflation is down."  But the prices at the grocery store are still up and they're not going to go back down.    

We'll all know that gas and groceries cost the same.

(11-16-2024, 11:21 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 10:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]"Inflation is down."  But the prices at the grocery store are still up and they're not going to go back down.    

We'll all know that gas and groceries cost the same.

"Bread used to cost me $1.89.  Now it costs $2.54."  

If you tell that person that you now have inflation under control, it doesn't matter to them, because bread still costs $2.54.  That's why Biden/Harris's assertion that inflation was under control fell on deaf ears.  The damage was done, and it couldn't be undone.

Deflation is very, very bad. You want the prices to stop going up and you want the people to get used to the new prices and have their wages go up.
You do not want prices to go back down. That's deflation. There were a lot of deflation shocks in the 1930s. That's why it took so long for the depression to resolve itself and go away.

(11-16-2024, 11:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Deflation is very, very bad.  You want the prices to stop going up and you want the people to get used to the new prices and have their wages go up.
You do not want prices to go back down.  That's deflation.  There were a lot of deflation shocks in the 1930s.  That's why it took so long for the depression to resolve itself and go away.

I'm not advocating deflation.

(11-16-2024, 10:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 12:35 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Not a thing. Everything is going great. Don't mess with it.

He says he'll beat inflation, and it's already beaten. Last quarter it clocked in at 1.2% compared to the previous quarter. It was at 2.4% on a year-over-year basis.

He says he'll rein in illegal immigration, and it's already reined in. What's more, job demand has plummeted so pressure on the border will remain low.




He says he wants Israel to giddy up and finish off the war, and it's already winding down of its own accord because there are only so many Palestinians you can kill. It's likely to be over within his first year.

He says he'll turbocharge the economy, and it's already turbocharged. In the latest quarter, real GDP grew 2.8% and is now an astonishing 2.6% above potential GDP. That's the highest it's been in half a century.

He says he'll cut imports from China, and they've already been cut. Last year imports of goods from China came to 1.28% of GDP, the lowest in 20 years.

He says he'll produce more oil and gas, and both are already at the highest levels in American history.

He says he'll get crime down, and it's already down because it never went up in the first place. The one thing that did go up was murder, and so far in 2024 it's plummeted to 4.4 per 100,000, the lowest rate in more than 40 years.

Just sit on his hands and let the good times roll. Can he do that? Lol. Of course he can't.

"We've cut illegal immigration."  But the millions who came in before they cut illegal immigration are still here.  
"Inflation is down."  But the prices at the grocery store are still up and they're not going to go back down.    

That's like bragging that you've managed to stop beating your wife.  

But, all that aside, the biggest, most dangerous measurable is the federal debt.  I think this country must be math-challenged, to not understand how incredibly dangerous this is.  NOTHING in your post said anything about the 35 trillion-dollar federal debt, which is now growing at a rate of 2 trillion dollars a year.

It currently appear sometime last year this time they "woke" up (bad pun intended) and figured out they needed to do something. 

It is now documented the job creation numbers were inflated by a historical 800,000+. It got so bad the Fed actually said they didn't use those numbers as the accuracy was questionable. The Labor department can't count? 

On Crime the FBI was forced to revise the violent crime numbers way up they had not included all the same categories. Violent crime actually is increased.

 Inflation is trending down but it not quite tamed. Just go read the Fed's latest report. Since we measure inflation year over year all we have to do is add the years together to see how much more thing costs from the beginning of a presidency to the end. Inflation rose from the beginning to end of Obama's 2 terms and Trump's about the same. They had about 4%-5% increase in cost to consumers. Biden is going to end up at about 20-21%. Sure inflation is trending down now.

Could all have been in preparation for the election? We all have our own opinions there no need to discuss.

(11-16-2024, 11:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 11:21 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]We'll all know that gas and groceries cost the same.

"Bread used to cost me $1.89.  Now it costs $2.54."  

If you tell that person that you now have inflation under control, it doesn't matter to them, because bread still costs $2.54.  That's why Biden/Harris's assertion that inflation was under control fell on deaf ears.  The damage was done, and it couldn't be undone.

One would think that if you pay a porn star for sex, have extramarital affairs, lie your [BLEEP] off (to just name a few) then try to claim that you are a christian that assertion that you have some sort of morality would fall on deaf ears and couldn’t be undone either.

(11-16-2024, 12:29 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 11:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]"Bread used to cost me $1.89.  Now it costs $2.54."  

If you tell that person that you now have inflation under control, it doesn't matter to them, because bread still costs $2.54.  That's why Biden/Harris's assertion that inflation was under control fell on deaf ears.  The damage was done, and it couldn't be undone.

One would think that if you pay a porn star for sex, have extramarital affairs, lie your [BLEEP] off (to just name a few) then try to claim that you are a christian that assertion that you have some sort of morality would fall on deaf ears and couldn’t be undone either.

Is that all you do is [BLEEP] cry? You have got to be the biggest puss on this board.. I bet you cried like a little [BLEEP] for Trump's first 4 years, now you're gonna cry again for the next 4 years. Be a man you libtarded piece of [BLEEP]. Grow a sack..

You lost because you're a [BLEEP] loser who backs losers..

(11-16-2024, 11:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Deflation is very, very bad.  You want the prices to stop going up and you want the people to get used to the new prices and have their wages go up.
You do not want prices to go back down.  That's deflation.  There were a lot of deflation shocks in the 1930s.  That's why it took so long for the depression to resolve itself and go away.

But some prices should be coming down, especially those whose price increase was driven by supply shocks. That inflation was transitory but we aren't seeing prices revert.  Bread is one such example.

(11-16-2024, 01:19 AM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]Do you have stats of the number of pets being eaten by Haitians?

No, but I do have stats on the number of presidential contenders using untrue racist rhetoric. One.

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(11-16-2024, 10:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 12:35 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Not a thing. Everything is going great. Don't mess with it.

He says he'll beat inflation, and it's already beaten. Last quarter it clocked in at 1.2% compared to the previous quarter. It was at 2.4% on a year-over-year basis.

He says he'll rein in illegal immigration, and it's already reined in. What's more, job demand has plummeted so pressure on the border will remain low.




He says he wants Israel to giddy up and finish off the war, and it's already winding down of its own accord because there are only so many Palestinians you can kill. It's likely to be over within his first year.

He says he'll turbocharge the economy, and it's already turbocharged. In the latest quarter, real GDP grew 2.8% and is now an astonishing 2.6% above potential GDP. That's the highest it's been in half a century.

He says he'll cut imports from China, and they've already been cut. Last year imports of goods from China came to 1.28% of GDP, the lowest in 20 years.

He says he'll produce more oil and gas, and both are already at the highest levels in American history.

He says he'll get crime down, and it's already down because it never went up in the first place. The one thing that did go up was murder, and so far in 2024 it's plummeted to 4.4 per 100,000, the lowest rate in more than 40 years.

Just sit on his hands and let the good times roll. Can he do that? Lol. Of course he can't.

And they're not going to go back down.    

Well, let's hope so, since a general decrease in prices only happens during recessions and depressions.

Quote:That's like bragging that you've managed to stop beating your wife.

No, it's like noticing that it's stopped raining.

Quote:But, all that aside, the biggest, most dangerous measurable is the federal debt. I think this country must be math-challenged, to not understand how incredibly dangerous this is. NOTHING in your post said anything about the 35 trillion-dollar federal debt, which is now growing at a rate of 2 trillion dollars a year

I know that more massive Republican tax cuts for the wealthy aren't going to help.

(11-16-2024, 12:29 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 11:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]"Bread used to cost me $1.89.  Now it costs $2.54."  

If you tell that person that you now have inflation under control, it doesn't matter to them, because bread still costs $2.54.  That's why Biden/Harris's assertion that inflation was under control fell on deaf ears.  The damage was done, and it couldn't be undone.

One would think that if you pay a porn star for sex, have extramarital affairs, lie your [BLEEP] off (to just name a few) then try to claim that you are a christian that assertion that you have some sort of morality would fall on deaf ears and couldn’t be undone either.

Which has nothing to do with what your post is about. People didn’t vote for Trump cuz they want to hang out and go to church with him. You can stomp your feet and pitch a fit about it all you want, but it’s not going to change anything. Make your peace with it or it’s gonna be four really long years for you.

(11-16-2024, 11:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2024, 11:21 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]We'll all know that gas and groceries cost the same.

"Bread used to cost me $1.89.  Now it costs $2.54."  

And it's why Diaper Donnie's promise to lower the cost of that bread, and that obviously not being about to happen, will be pretty obvious to the American public