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Did Harris fail to explain to voters the cause of inflation? She didn't even attempt to explain it. Was it too complicated for voters?

Inflation was caused by the pandemic. The Trump and Biden stimulus certainly contributed to that but given that inflation was global it's clearly not the main driver.

Italy and UK had higher spikes and U.S and Germany had similar spikes






This is a very clear short explanation. This needed to be hammered into voters.

https://youtu.be/Hcfi7ExCklw?si=KgTWF3hwCV_7_HG2

Kamala Harris explaining: Inflation is when things get bigger. The expand and get bigger...they inflate. So, when we talk about inflation, we talk about things inflating and getting bigger. 

Like Willie used to tell me, 'I'm getting inflated, girl. Let's go to the cloak room.'

I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Kamala is not capable of explaining a moderately complex topic like inflation. She's more likely to misunderstand and talk about engorgement, something with which she is intimately familiar.

(11-24-2024, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

How dare people vote for their own self interests over yours.

(11-24-2024, 11:26 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

How dare people vote for their own self interests over yours.

Where did I begrudge this?

(11-24-2024, 12:54 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:26 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]How dare people vote for their own self interests over yours.

Where did I begrudge this?

You misspelled C-R-Y--A-B-O-U-T, and the answer is in your every post.

(11-24-2024, 11:26 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

How dare people vote for their own self interests over yours.

The difference between Republican economic policies and Democrat economic policies is small enough for 90% of the population that no one can predict the future well enough to say which helps their wallet more.  

The only self interest at play is identity, not money.

(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that a lot of the problems Biden/Harris had was failure to communicate.  For 3-1/2 years, we had a President who could not go out and sell his own policies to the American people.  Then when Harris came in, and she was asked if she would have done anything different, she couldn't come up with anything.  A very large part of being President is selling your ideas to the American people.  Biden got these big expensive programs passed, and then he seemed to think he was done.  No need to go out and explain it.  No need to go out and sell it.  And Harris was no better.

I know a lot of the inflation was caused by supply chain disruptions due to the Covid epidemic.  And a lot of it was also caused by paying people to not work.  Both Trump and Biden did that.  But all people see is that the price of their groceries has gone up and they are getting squeezed financially.  

The Presidency is a political job.  It takes a politician to do it well.  Biden and Harris were lousy politicians.

Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

Even if it was not Biden's fault, which is debatable, Biden totally failed to explain any of that to the American people.  Just by itself that makes him a lousy President.  Presidents have to get out there and talk, sell their policies, explain their positions on things.  Biden was a total failure in that regard.  As for Kamala Harris, she was the same way.  She was a terrible candidate.  And usually, terrible candidates make terrible Presidents, because the skill set required for being a candidate is the same skill set required for being President.

To answer the original question, voters have a right to be upset about inflation even if it's a global problem. The US leads the world economy and our leaders deserve some of the blame even for global problems.
Did Harris not explain the problem well enough? She did not. Neither did you, for what that's worth. Democrats tried denying it. That didn't work. Then they tried, "not really our fault, global problem" like you did. That didn't work either. Here we are. But that doesn't mean there was no way for Democrats to win, because the voters weren't actually asking what caused the inflation.
They didn't want Harris or Trump to offer them a macroeconomics lesson. They wanted a plan, or a concept of a plan, to improve that in the future. The voters were expecting Democrats to acknowledge their role in the thing and recommend a different policy path.
Harris was on the right track with the "build more new homes" idea. But the rest of her statements on the economy badly missed the mark, either more of the same, or new ideas that wouldn't work.
Trump's ideas were bad too, but they were different at least. And his worst ideas weren't as bad as Harris's worst ideas.

(11-24-2024, 01:40 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:23 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone with a bit of sense knew what caused inflation, then there was those on the right who simply blamed Biden without a shred of evidence.

It worked.

But in the end, sadly, whatever the cause, people will often vote with their wallets, not reality.

Even if it was not Biden's fault, which is debatable, Biden totally failed to explain any of that to the American people.  Just by itself that makes him a lousy President.  Presidents have to get out there and talk, sell their policies, explain their positions on things.  Biden was a total failure in that regard.  As for Kamala Harris, she was the same way.  She was a terrible candidate.  And usually, terrible candidates make terrible Presidents, because the skill set required for being a candidate is the same skill set required for being President.

That doesn't ring true to me at all. Obama was a better candidate than Reagan, but a worse President.  Maybe you count the excitement Obama built on the trail, and his always above-the-belt rhetoric, as nothing. Maybe you are thinking of traits or skills Obama lacked when you think of good candidates, but when I think "great candidate" he's top of the list for me.

(11-24-2024, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 11:26 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]How dare people vote for their own self interests over yours.

The difference between Republican economic policies and Democrat economic policies is small enough for 90% of the population that no one can predict the future well enough to say which helps their wallet more.  

The only self interest at play is identity, not money.

Identity politics failed the Democrats this election cycle. 

Sure separate people into groups then pander to each and hope they do not tell each other. Unfortunately the candidate they imposed was not up to this task.  One thing that did change is the impact of social media which was no longer under strict control due to Elon buying Twitter. The decision to change accents based upon the audience, flip flop on policy and when pressed only describe herself as middle class while smiling/giggling worn thin.

Meanwhile,the majority of the people were being squeezed by the 20% inflation over the last 4 years. They decided more of the same, which the candidate suggested was not in their best interest. So self interest did play more of a role. Just my opinion, your free to have yours.

(11-24-2024, 02:32 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The difference between Republican economic policies and Democrat economic policies is small enough for 90% of the population that no one can predict the future well enough to say which helps their wallet more.  

The only self interest at play is identity, not money.

Identity politics failed the Democrats this election cycle. 

Sure separate people into groups then pander to each and hope they do not tell each other. Unfortunately the candidate they imposed was not up to this task.  One thing that did change is the impact of social media which was no longer under strict control due to Elon buying Twitter. The decision to change accents based upon the audience, flip flop on policy and when pressed only describe herself as middle class while smiling/giggling worn thin.

Meanwhile,the majority of the people were being squeezed by the 20% inflation over the last 4 years. They decided more of the same, which the candidate suggested was not in their best interest. So self interest did play more of a role. Just my opinion, your free to have yours.

Do you not have an identity? If the Democrat party highlights a set of identities, but your identity is not one of the ones highlighted, that makes you want to vote with Republicans. It's not complicated unless you want it to be complicated. And I think you do!

(11-24-2024, 02:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 02:32 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Identity politics failed the Democrats this election cycle. 

Sure separate people into groups then pander to each and hope they do not tell each other. Unfortunately the candidate they imposed was not up to this task.  One thing that did change is the impact of social media which was no longer under strict control due to Elon buying Twitter. The decision to change accents based upon the audience, flip flop on policy and when pressed only describe herself as middle class while smiling/giggling worn thin.

Meanwhile,the majority of the people were being squeezed by the 20% inflation over the last 4 years. They decided more of the same, which the candidate suggested was not in their best interest. So self interest did play more of a role. Just my opinion, your free to have yours.

Do you not have an identity? If the Democrat party highlights a set of identities, but your identity is not one of the ones highlighted, that makes you want to vote with Republicans. It's not complicated unless you want it to be complicated. And I think you do!

Actually not complicated at all. Dems ran on identity politics.. Dems failed. Keep on believing what you want and talk in circles...have a nice day ...

(11-24-2024, 03:25 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 02:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Do you not have an identity? If the Democrat party highlights a set of identities, but your identity is not one of the ones highlighted, that makes you want to vote with Republicans. It's not complicated unless you want it to be complicated. And I think you do!

Actually not complicated at all. Dems ran on identity politics.. Dems failed. Keep on believing what you want and talk in circles...have a nice day ...

What is your definition of a Republican?

(11-24-2024, 03:58 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 03:25 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Actually not complicated at all. Dems ran on identity politics.. Dems failed. Keep on believing what you want and talk in circles...have a nice day ...

What is your definition of a Republican?

LOL, you have a dictionary just like me. Plenty on line. go fish elsewhere...

(11-24-2024, 03:25 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2024, 02:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Do you not have an identity? If the Democrat party highlights a set of identities, but your identity is not one of the ones highlighted, that makes you want to vote with Republicans. It's not complicated unless you want it to be complicated. And I think you do!

Actually not complicated at all. Dems ran on identity politics.. Dems failed. Keep on believing what you want and talk in circles...have a nice day ...

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying that the way Democrats emphasize certain identities turned many people off, and was a non-economic, but self-interested reason that Trump won.

It wasn't that Harris was such a bad candidate (she was) which lost this election so bigly for Democrats. It was their do or die adherence to identity politics. It was obvious to the most casual observer that she wasn't fit for such a task, but rather than be labeled by their own side as this -ist and that -phobic, they went with her against their better judgement. That was a clear indication to undecideds and fence riders that identity mattered more to the Democrat party than substance. As soon as she was selected to run, they lost votes for that very reason.

(11-24-2024, 06:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't that Harris was such a bad candidate (she was) which lost this election so bigly for Democrats. It was their do or die adherence to identity politics. It was obvious to the most casual observer that she wasn't fit for such a task, but rather than be labeled by their own side as this -ist and that -phobic, they went with her against their better judgement. That was a clear indication to undecideds and fence riders that identity mattered more to the Democrat party than substance. As soon as she was selected to run, they lost votes for that very reason.

The question is, do they learn from their mistakes?

I've seen so many calling for Harris to run again in the next cycle, even saw a few calling for Walz too. How can either of them run with their ideals knowing that we majorily voted against them? They need to set that Democrat Playbook on fire. It was a very bad look for Kamala with the horrible flip flopping and I can't see our country voting for her again. They burnt a lot of bridges, and they have next to an empty bench for the next cycle.. The only option they have is to drift back towards center.