(12-14-2024, 07:42 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2024, 11:30 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Immigration control acts had major updates in the 1920s, 1960s, and 1980s. Those Congresses didn't know about this "virtual invasion"?
Nope, This one world poop had not begun during those times. Besides we are talking Wilson, Eisenhower and Regan time periods. Those Presidents did their duty and protected our borders.
Lol Wilson invented "One world poop".
Anyhow your answer is not very persuasive.
As a percentage of the current US population, immigration was higher in some of those years than it is now.
(12-14-2024, 09:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2024, 07:42 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, This one world poop had not begun during those times. Besides we are talking Wilson, Eisenhower and Regan time periods. Those Presidents did their duty and protected our borders.
Lol Wilson invented "One world poop".
Anyhow your answer is not very persuasive.
As a percentage of the current US population, immigration was higher in some of those years than it is now.
Well actually neither are yours. They are based on some notes you claim to have read.
(12-14-2024, 10:04 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2024, 09:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Lol Wilson invented "One world poop".
Anyhow your answer is not very persuasive.
As a percentage of the current US population, immigration was higher in some of those years than it is now.
Well actually neither are yours. They are based on some notes you claim to have read.
It's all out there. Start here:
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-const...m-ark-1898
If you read the full opinion, there are citations. Google anything that looks ambiguous.
(12-13-2024, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2024, 12:51 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Born here illegally? It is a crime to be born?
What about the the ones who come here legally on a visa, and give birth while here? You know that about 40-50% of illegal immigrants come here legally and just overstay their visa, right?
So we're now talking about deporting U.S. citizens because of what their parents did.
And what if they breed faster than we can deport them? Should we create a final solution for that?
Slippery slope.
That's why the mandatory abortions for illegals is a key plank in my plan to fix America. Can't be Anchor Babies if there's no babies.
But honestly dork. Tell us how easy would this be able to be executed since many states now have laws outlawing abortions?
(12-13-2024, 07:30 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2024, 12:51 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Born here illegally? It is a crime to be born?
What about the the ones who come here legally on a visa, and give birth while here? You know that about 40-50% of illegal immigrants come here legally and just overstay their visa, right?
So we're now talking about deporting U.S. citizens because of what their parents did.
And what if they breed faster than we can deport them? Should we create a final solution for that?
Slippery slope.
Guess what, that still makes them illegal now, doesn’t matter how they go here. And I seriously doubt that statistic is accurate anymore (if ever) after Joe opened the border wide [BLEEP] open.
When did he open it? What was the date, and what policy opened it? Be specific
(12-13-2024, 05:38 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2024, 08:07 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]... and as expected you miss the point here...
I have a friend who's parents are illegals. He was born in the U.S. went to school here, has a career as a firefighter. He also has a wife (native-born American citizen) and a toddler daughter. It sounds like Trump is saying, if the wife and daughter want to be with their husband and father, they must all make plans to leave the U.S.
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What was said was the parents here illegally can take their kids with them. No one is splitting a family up, the whole family leaves. Just because the kid may have US citizenship, doesn't mean they stay here. For adult kids, they are over 18 and can do whatever they want.
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Uhh, you do realize that you can’t force an US citizen to leave.
But yes "I don't understand it"
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Do you think before you spew this ignorant stuff daily?
(12-13-2024, 11:17 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2024, 07:30 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Guess what, that still makes them illegal now, doesn’t matter how they go here. And I seriously doubt that statistic is accurate anymore (if ever) after Joe opened the border wide [BLEEP] open.
A lot of talk about this 14th amendment. How it makes children of illegals citizens. People entering illegally, overstaying visas etc. I thought I would first read the actual portion that applies.See below
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
First the easy part. People entering illegally, visas or green cards are not naturalized so deportation is an acceptable cure.
The born portion is where it gets messy. It could be argued that the kids are minors. Their parents have responsibility for them, they are subject to the jurisdiction of their parents. A minor, cannot enter into contracts or take on other responsibilities until reaching the age of majority. This would mean they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Therefore are deported with the parents.
Just a thought...
ps Meet the Press (CBS) edited the text leaving out the and subject to the jurisdiction part. Wonder why?
A really stupid thought. This was settled over a century ago. Anyone born on US soil is a citizen. The only exception is children of diplomats because they have immunity and are not subject to US jurisdiction
(12-14-2024, 10:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2024, 10:04 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Well actually neither are yours. They are based on some notes you claim to have read.
It's all out there. Start here: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-const...m-ark-1898
If you read the full opinion, there are citations. Google anything that looks ambiguous.
Now that was easy ...
I assume these are the note the authors of the 14th wrote? Thank you.
(12-15-2024, 10:22 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2024, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's why the mandatory abortions for illegals is a key plank in my plan to fix America. Can't be Anchor Babies if there's no babies.
But honestly dork. Tell us how easy would this be able to be executed since many states now have laws outlawing abortions?
(12-13-2024, 07:30 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Guess what, that still makes them illegal now, doesn’t matter how they go here. And I seriously doubt that statistic is accurate anymore (if ever) after Joe opened the border wide [BLEEP] open.
When did he open it? What was the date, and what policy opened it? Be specific
(12-13-2024, 05:38 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]What was said was the parents here illegally can take their kids with them. No one is splitting a family up, the whole family leaves. Just because the kid may have US citizenship, doesn't mean they stay here. For adult kids, they are over 18 and can do whatever they want.
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Uhh, you do realize that you can’t force an US citizen to leave.
But yes "I don't understand it"
Do you think before you spew this ignorant stuff daily?
States have laws that apply to citizens true, we're going to take care of how the law applies to non-citizens though. It's past time non-citizens quit receiving the benefit of Citizenship, like the concept of equal protection under the Law, it should not apply, so we'll streamline that as well. Or we'll just haul them to California and do it there. No big deal there DOOF, where there's a will there's a way!
(12-15-2024, 11:28 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 10:22 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]But honestly dork. Tell us how easy would this be able to be executed since many states now have laws outlawing abortions?
When did he open it? What was the date, and what policy opened it? Be specific
Uhh, you do realize that you can’t force an US citizen to leave.
But yes "I don't understand it"
Do you think before you spew this ignorant stuff daily?
States have laws that apply to citizens true, we're going to take care of how the law applies to non-citizens though. It's past time non-citizens quit receiving the benefit of Citizenship, like the concept of equal protection under the Law, it should not apply, so we'll streamline that as well. Or we'll just haul them to California and do it there. No big deal there DOOF, where there's a will there's a way!
Like I mentioned earlier. You are disconnected from reality.
You do realize you will need a constitutional amendment to do this, correct?
(12-15-2024, 11:54 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 11:28 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]States have laws that apply to citizens true, we're going to take care of how the law applies to non-citizens though. It's past time non-citizens quit receiving the benefit of Citizenship, like the concept of equal protection under the Law, it should not apply, so we'll streamline that as well. Or we'll just haul them to California and do it there. No big deal there DOOF, where there's a will there's a way!
Like I mentioned earlier. You are disconnected from reality.
You do realize you will need a constitutional amendment to do this, correct?
Actually flsprtsgod is on the correct track and reality is escaping someone but not him. This needs to be addressed as no one previously would believe the situation we are currently in. The time to do it is now as more and more people awakened to see the exploitation in a clear light despite the deflections of people like you. I can see this being a big midterm issue which if caught on the wrong side of hammer a party's results during that election. Kind of what happened in the last election. Who knows we could see a red New York and California ... lol
(12-15-2024, 11:10 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2024, 10:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It's all out there. Start here: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-const...m-ark-1898
If you read the full opinion, there are citations. Google anything that looks ambiguous.
Now that was easy ... I assume these are the note the authors of the 14th wrote? Thank you.
No but you can find them if you dig from there.
(12-15-2024, 11:54 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 11:28 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]States have laws that apply to citizens true, we're going to take care of how the law applies to non-citizens though. It's past time non-citizens quit receiving the benefit of Citizenship, like the concept of equal protection under the Law, it should not apply, so we'll streamline that as well. Or we'll just haul them to California and do it there. No big deal there DOOF, where there's a will there's a way!
Like I mentioned earlier. You are disconnected from reality.
You do realize you will need a constitutional amendment to do this, correct?
I'm just Woke DOOF, and it's gonna be painful for you when it hits.
This isn’t that difficult, you cannot undue what has been done but we can end birthright citizenship immediately. Anyone born here before that action is a citizen however the illegal mother is deported, she can either take her kid with her or leave them here in foster care.
(12-15-2024, 02:29 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]This isn’t that difficult, you cannot undue what has been done but we can end birthright citizenship immediately. Anyone born here before that action is a citizen however the illegal mother is deported, she can either take her kid with her or leave them here in foster care.
Not without amending the Constitution you can't.
(12-15-2024, 02:29 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]This isn’t that difficult, you cannot undue what has been done but we can end birthright citizenship immediately. Anyone born here before that action is a citizen however the illegal mother is deported, she can either take her kid with her or leave them here in foster care.
There is zero chance of amending the constitution to remove birthright citizenship. Zero.
(12-15-2024, 03:40 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 02:29 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]This isn’t that difficult, you cannot undue what has been done but we can end birthright citizenship immediately. Anyone born here before that action is a citizen however the illegal mother is deported, she can either take her kid with her or leave them here in foster care.
There is zero chance of amending the constitution to remove birthright citizenship. Zero.
And there is a 100% chance that Trump will try to deport illegal immigrants whose kids are citizens. And 100% chance that the courts will allow that in most cases.
Trump doesn't have to amend imthe Constitution to get what he wants.
It may not be what FSG or PRushing want, but it is what Trump wants. He wants to distract us with this 14th amendment debate while he just does what he wants.
(12-15-2024, 03:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 02:29 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]This isn’t that difficult, you cannot undue what has been done but we can end birthright citizenship immediately. Anyone born here before that action is a citizen however the illegal mother is deported, she can either take her kid with her or leave them here in foster care.
Not without amending the Constitution you can't.
With the current climate, mood of America and republican majority yes you can.
(12-15-2024, 04:00 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 03:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Not without amending the Constitution you can't.
With the current climate, mood of America and republican majority yes you can.
Lol.
You can't just change what the Constitution means with a bare majority.
Imagine if Democrats decided to ban handguns with a bare majority. What would you say?
(12-15-2024, 03:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 03:40 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]There is zero chance of amending the constitution to remove birthright citizenship. Zero.
And there is a 100% chance that Trump will try to deport illegal immigrants whose kids are citizens. And 100% chance that the courts will allow that in most cases.
Trump doesn't have to amend imthe Constitution to get what he wants.
It may not be what FSG or PRushing want, but it is what Trump wants. He wants to distract us with this 14th amendment debate while he just does what he wants.
In other words, it's legal. Isn't it the government's duty to enforce immigration law? I know you hate the guy, but that doesn't make him wrong.
(12-15-2024, 12:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2024, 11:54 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Like I mentioned earlier. You are disconnected from reality.
You do realize you will need a constitutional amendment to do this, correct?
I'm just Woke DOOF, and it's gonna be painful for you when it hits.
Sorry, my Idiot to English translator is broken.
Please respond in grownup English