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Now, I support the "Death with Dignity" act, but only for people in the end stages of their life, but this seems to be the rule and not the exception with Government funded Universal Health Care.......

Canadian health care providers repeatedly pressured woman with cerebral palsy to choose death

A Saskatchewan woman who said her life with cerebral palsy is a miracle from God also said health care providers in Canada have repeatedly pressured her to undergo medical assistance in dying (MAiD) because she has a disability.

In an op-ed for the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Heather Hancock said she was born in Alberta at 25 weeks gestation, weighing just one pound, six ounces. At two years old, she was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and doctors said she should be institutionalized because she “would never amount to anything.” Hancock, however, has no intellectual disabilities; her disability is purely physical.

Canadian health care providers repeatedly pressured woman with cerebral palsy to choose death

(12-14-2024, 03:14 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I support the "Death with Dignity" act, but only for people in the end stages of their life, but this seems to be the rule and not the exception with Government funded Universal Health Care.......

Canadian health care providers repeatedly pressured woman with cerebral palsy to choose death

A Saskatchewan woman who said her life with cerebral palsy is a miracle from God also said health care providers in Canada have repeatedly pressured her to undergo medical assistance in dying (MAiD) because she has a disability.

In an op-ed for the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Heather Hancock said she was born in Alberta at 25 weeks gestation, weighing just one pound, six ounces. At two years old, she was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and doctors said she should be institutionalized because she “would never amount to anything.” Hancock, however, has no intellectual disabilities; her disability is purely physical.

Canadian health care providers repeatedly pressured woman with cerebral palsy to choose death

You believe this?

Also, what exactly does any of this have to do with either healthcare funding or Universal Health Care?

This is also obviously a narrative told with a specific one-sided spin in mind, and even if it is being presented entirely accurately, there was only one staff member who definitively behaved inappropriately and they were apparently removed from the patient's care team. The other incidents appear to be just her being offered the option of MAiD but having the freedom to unconditionally refuse and, significantly, continue to freely receive her healthcare needs under the system

(12-14-2024, 04:05 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2024, 03:14 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I support the "Death with Dignity" act, but only for people in the end stages of their life, but this seems to be the rule and not the exception with Government funded Universal Health Care.......

Canadian health care providers repeatedly pressured woman with cerebral palsy to choose death

A Saskatchewan woman who said her life with cerebral palsy is a miracle from God also said health care providers in Canada have repeatedly pressured her to undergo medical assistance in dying (MAiD) because she has a disability.

In an op-ed for the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Heather Hancock said she was born in Alberta at 25 weeks gestation, weighing just one pound, six ounces. At two years old, she was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and doctors said she should be institutionalized because she “would never amount to anything.” Hancock, however, has no intellectual disabilities; her disability is purely physical.

Canadian health care providers repeatedly pressured woman with cerebral palsy to choose death

You believe this?

Also, what exactly does any of this have to do with either healthcare funding or Universal Health Care?

This is also obviously a narrative told with a specific one-sided spin in mind, and even if it is being presented entirely accurately, there was only one staff member who definitively behaved inappropriately and they were apparently removed from the patient's care team. The other incidents appear to be just her being offered the option of MAiD but having the freedom to unconditionally refuse and, significantly, continue to freely receive her healthcare needs under the system

I did a term paper on this subject when I was in college and I know for a fact through my research that this is happening. Like I said, it's the rule and not the exception in a lot of places..........

(12-14-2024, 04:47 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2024, 04:05 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]You believe this?

Also, what exactly does any of this have to do with either healthcare funding or Universal Health Care?

This is also obviously a narrative told with a specific one-sided spin in mind, and even if it is being presented entirely accurately, there was only one staff member who definitively behaved inappropriately and they were apparently removed from the patient's care team. The other incidents appear to be just her being offered the option of MAiD but having the freedom to unconditionally refuse and, significantly, continue to freely receive her healthcare needs under the system

I did a term paper on this subject when I was in college and I know for a fact through my research that this is happening. Like I said, it's the rule and not the exception in a lot of places..........

Its an Op-ed letter from a biased religious source that opposes physician assisted suicide as the right of terminally ill patients. Nobody is going to suggest that someone is disabled but can function should consider assisted suicide. That's just religious fearmongering

Quote:In an op-ed for the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Heather Hancock said she was born in Alberta at 25 weeks gestation, weighing just one pound, six ounces. At two years old, she was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and doctors said she should be institutionalized because she “would never amount to anything.” Hancock, however, has no intellectual disabilities; her disability is purely physical

But "The Drifter", you mentioned you wrote a term paper about MAiD, which college was that?

Wow, TDOOFY is defending forced suicide.

I did Nazi that coming at all.

(12-15-2024, 10:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, TDOOFY is defending forced suicide.

I did Nazi that coming at all.

Neither did I. Let me find my shocked face, it’s around here somewhere!

(12-15-2024, 10:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, TDOOFY is defending forced suicide.

I did Nazi that coming at all.

Where did I say it was forced?



Try harder.

(12-15-2024, 09:12 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2024, 10:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, TDOOFY is defending forced suicide.

I did Nazi that coming at all.

Where did I say it was forced?



Try harder.

And that's why you're an idiot, you refuse to accept the inevitable consequences of the policy. Once the government pays for your healthcare then they get to decide what care you get, and the death pill will always be the cheapest alternative. You are the carbon they are going to reduce. In the case of you and your ilk that's not a big deal, but for people we want to keep around we aren't going to let that happen. You're welcome!

LOL, Our government in charge of healthcare what a funny idea. You guys are pranksters. They cannot run the VA properly.

(12-16-2024, 12:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2024, 09:12 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Where did I say it was forced?



Try harder.

. Once the government pays for your healthcare then they get to decide what care you get, and the death pill will always be the cheapest alternative. 

In what world does that silly opinion have any credibility in light of being compared to a third entity being given the full authority to make those decisions in a healthcare for profit system.

You are completely ignoring the facts when failing to understand that the facility of a 'death with dignity' being offered in other countries was the result of an electorate demand being placed before legislators in EVERY county with this feature.

You seem to believe the gov'ts of the various countries where this is applicable just decided to enact this in the same manner Insurance companies in your country deny coverage for treatment decided upon things like not declaring a pre-existing condition, not even being of tertiary association with your current illness you might have received treatment for decades ago.

Or worse, a denial by a cubical denizen who gets paid a bonus for seeking out and finding any reason, however minor, to further the denial rate of coverage. Like your chosen specialist being "out of network".

Here's the deal; you keep your fubarred system, that fully 70% of you want rid of, and the rest of us will keep ours. Okie dokie?

One person having a terrible experience shows a system that treats millions a year is completely broken.

That's as silly as a car company stopping making all cars because one of them had a crash. Every healthcare system has bad things happen as does every system for anything. 

Sometimes, bad [BLEEP] happens.

(12-16-2024, 07:01 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-16-2024, 12:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]. Once the government pays for your healthcare then they get to decide what care you get, and the death pill will always be the cheapest alternative. 

In what world does that silly opinion have any credibility in light of being compared to a third entity being given the full authority to make those decisions in a healthcare for profit system.

You are completely ignoring the facts when failing to understand that the facility of a 'death with dignity' being offered in other countries was the result of an electorate demand being placed before legislators in EVERY county with this feature.

You seem to believe the gov'ts of the various countries where this is applicable just decided to enact this in the same manner Insurance companies in your country deny coverage for treatment decided upon things like not declaring a pre-existing condition, not even being of tertiary association with your current illness you might have received treatment for decades ago.

Or worse, a denial by a cubical denizen who gets paid a bonus for seeking out and finding any reason, however minor, to further the denial rate of coverage. Like your chosen specialist being "out of network".

Here's the deal; you keep your fubarred system, that fully 70% of you want rid of, and the rest of us will keep ours. Okie dokie?

One person having a terrible experience shows a system that treats millions a year is completely broken.

That's as silly as a car company stopping making all cars because one of them had a crash. Every healthcare system has bad things happen as does every system for anything. 

Sometimes, bad [BLEEP] happens.

You're right that our system lets private corporations deny care, and that's bad, but our system also lets private wealth, charity, and even the government step in when the corporations do the wrong thing.  In Canada's system, or the UK's if the state says no, that's it.  You're out of luck.

There are four moving parts here.  1, is some form of assisted suicide OK, and if so 1a, how should it work?  2, is state run health care a good idea, and if so, 2a, can private health care also exist besides it?

Canada has definitely answered these four questions in a way to that amounts to euthanizing undesirables to save the state money.

Other states can come up with their own answers in a way that doesn't turn into the disaster Canada has created.

There is an easy solution to this if people would stop letting the government or business take all their money.

(12-16-2024, 12:44 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL, Our government in charge of healthcare what a funny idea.  You guys are pranksters. They cannot run the VA properly.

We had a little sub thread about this and the veterans on this board said they were satisfied with the VA.

(12-16-2024, 09:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-16-2024, 12:44 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL, Our government in charge of healthcare what a funny idea.  You guys are pranksters. They cannot run the VA properly.

We had a little sub thread about this and the veterans on this board said they were satisfied with the VA.

I am happy they are getting good service. However, too many of my friends from the Nam era have quite a different opinion. A couple now reside in the local cemetery due to denial of coverage during the Obama terms.